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Parenting teenagers has its ups and downs. Get advice from Mumsnetters here.

How would you deal with this?

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Mealplanner50 · 05/08/2024 20:20

Dd recently turned 15, up until then we have had a very good relationship.
She had been hinting about wanting a birthday party for months and I was never going to agree to it as the house has just been refurbished. Then a couple of new friends (with troubled history) joined her friendship group and I reluctantly agreed to have her close friends over on her birthday (to keep an eye on them and prevent them getting hammered at the local park) and treated them to sushi and a couple of cocktails, unbeknown to me they had smuggled in 2 litres of vodka.

A few days later Dh discovered a pack of cigarettes in her school bag so we grounded her. The following day she mentioned having an after school club and would be back later which we agreed. As the day went on I became suspicious of this and emailed the teacher who advised she hadn’t been to the club. When I confronted her that evening she erupted with a load of expletives about me snooping on her and said she had been at a friend's house.

Next day was non eventful and then on the weekend I had a heart to heart about how worried we are about her. With the changes in her friendship group and they now think it’s normal to chug a litre of vodka while getting ready at someone’s house before going out for dinner. Then take more vodka out with them in water bottles and share the cheapest food on the menu while necking neat vodka. They have also started hanging out in a local park afterwards with older boys who smoke weed and she turns her location off and ignores any attempts from us to contact her. I ended up crying, she started crying, we both apologised and I thought it had sunk in.

That afternoon, she begged to go to one of her old friends' birthday dinners, she promised not to drink and would be home by 10pm. As this is an old friend and a nice girl I agreed. She went out, was a little late getting back but texted to advise there was a delay getting home and all was fine.

She had been using a shared family laptop and I decided to look at her activity and discovered a right can of worms. One of the new friends asked her to see if any of the older guys they had met in the park had an empty house they could go to and if they could bring weed. Another about needing an ambulance on a night out with too much vodka and weed. Sourcing multiple fake ids and using a parents paypal account to pay for them, WTAF!! Photos with them smoking joints. Drinking vodka in the park in school uniform. Videos of her and all the friends drinking at a friend's house when she was supposed to be at the after school club. Meeting the friend for birthday dinner was also nonsense, she had gone out for dinner and drinks with the other friends and blown out the old friend.

I decided to make contact with all of the girl's parents and make them aware of how they are all behaving as it's gone from a little bit risky to dangerous and some have too much parental freedom. That was a draining day of awkward conversations, some of them maybe thought I was nuts, some of them were also concerned.

I found it difficult to keep my shit together and lost it at dinner that evening, tried to grab her phone, don't know why it became about the phone but it did, we had a tussle, I almost rugby tackled her and she ran up to her room very upset with me. Dad went to console her and understandably I got told to F off..

Over the next 2 days I received pure hatred from her, to the extent I thought she was on drugs as her behaviour was so different to anything we have ever seen. Then she logged out of icloud and stopped sharing her location, bunked off lessons, went out after school and came home at bedtime and avoided contact with us, didn't respond to any calls/texts/whatsapp etc.

I called a meeting with the school, who claimed they were about to call me as they had also noticed a change in her behaviour. I attribute this to the change in friendship group and school just offered me tissues and took notes.

I called the Police for advice and was invited into the station to discuss my concerns and show them the photos and snap messages. They asked if I was worried about grooming or dealing drugs and said they would refer her details to social services to follow-up.

A few days later there was an afternoon event at school, while there I got a call advising she & 2 friends had been seen leaving school earlier in the afternoon and were nowhere to be found. They appeared before the event ended and got pulled in to talk to the head and write an apology. Dh lost his shit that night and grabbed the phone, which resulted in her running away from home. Her friends called her and I answered without saying anything for a while then told them she had run away and to send her home before I send the police to either of their houses. One of the friends parents called to update that she was indeed at their house and both girls would run away if I sent the police so I dropped her uniform and school bag off there to make sure she was sorted for the next day and safe that night.

School considered suspending them but have a safeguarding obligation to one of the girls which seems to render her exempt from any consequences. They did get the local Police team in to address the year group and then the smaller group of friends about dangerous behaviour and will be providing support in Y11, it felt like the end of term so it's over to you parents, have a nice summer....

We booked a last minute holiday to put some space between it all and see if we could rekindle some of the old ways. The day before we were due to go away she got caught shoplifting, from the day we went it was when are we going home? How long have I got to put up with all of you? There were the odd moments when she relaxed and it was nice but short lived and she was back on the phone and then arsey with us.

If you have read this far, thank you. I know I've maybe overreacted to some of the stuff and shouldn't have gone snooping but I also want to protect my Dd and get her through the last year of school without some life changing shite happening to her.

Social Services came to visit today and have offered to open up a case and support us as a family, she said its a waste of time as it was weeks ago. Given how her mood changes in a heartbeat I'm up for all the help we can get right now. What would you do?

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allwillbe · 06/08/2024 20:39

rsih91 · 06/08/2024 19:22

This is what nightmares are made of. My worst fear - I don't drink after seeing my friends behave like this every weekend

Why didn't you take and confiscate her phone indefinitely? That would be the first thing I would do, so she can't message the other little shits. Keep her with you so she chat run away.

Alcohol, really? You've set no boundaries - it's a shit show. Take all the help you get offered, as you'll need it. Good luck

This is so unhelpful. Taking the phone away won’t stop her seeing ‘the shits’ she will just go see them with phone or without phone. When your children’s friends drink and they are 15 - yrs you can refuse to let them have drink in your house but believe you me they will find drink if they want and they will be served in many many shops whether they are underage or not

allwillbe · 06/08/2024 20:41

BuddhaAtSea · 06/08/2024 20:23

Argh, OP, I’ve been there! It’s the absolute pits!
Pleased to say she’s now lovely and balanced and doing really well, but I really really thought I’ve fucked up at being a mother.

It’s that fine line between being a child and a grown up, they’re neither at that age, but we have no idea how to parent that either.
I said to mine: you’re not the first one to get drunk/run away/get into trouble (I’ve probably done worse than she ever has), but the one thing you must promise me is that you’ll come to me if you’re in trouble. That’s all I ask. I don’t need to know about the vodka, the drives at 1 am or whatever the hell they thought it might be a brilliant idea, don’t need to know about the drugs, the sex, the raves. You want to tell me, fine, but it’s not my problem. But I’ll absolutely lose my shit if I find out you’re stranded somewhere and didn’t call me, if you’re in any sort of trouble and I find out from someone else.

That resulted in her telling me EVERYTHING. To this day, she spills everything. And I never say anything, but I’m careful to have a little a propos de nothing chat to her about what I think needs to be addressed. She’s now an adult, she genuinely asks for my opinion and I never tell her what to do, I just say: if it was me, this is what I’d do, but you’re your own person, you decide, I’ll support you.

It’ll get better OP, hang in there.

Thank you for this post- these type of posts help those of us who are in the thick of it. I am very glad you and your daughter have a great relationship

Mealplanner50 · 06/08/2024 21:11

Timeisnevertimeatall · 06/08/2024 19:09

Ah OP, a couple of cocktails didn't do this. Curiosity can be encouraged or extinguished depending on the friendship group - enough of them are up for experimenting, game on.
We all know shit things can happen, either because it did, to us/our friends, or because we read about it. But it doesn't always. She's 15, nearly at an age where you'd be allowing a bit more freedom anyway. I would suggest: open the lines of communication. She wants to drink alcohol - don't ban it, she can get it anyway as you've found out. Draw up some guidelines together, eg, clearly you will drink whether I say so or not, so promise me you will always tell me where you are, check in with me and tell me if it goes pear shaped. You can be both furious and accepting, the horse has bolted. And no, before it starts, I am in no way a 'cool mum' but my teenager is ace and I was a fucking nightmare. Pick your battles, keep her on side at all costs, keep her safe, make sure she knows where home is - I don't mean that literally, I mean it emotionally. And maybe discuss the pill... Sorry, not sorry

I too was a fucking nightmare as a teen and am probably OTT with her as a result. Will defo talk to her about agreeing some guidelines, at the end of the day I just want her to be safe. I'm coming to the realisation I'm gonna have to accept quite a lot has changed with her in a short space of time.

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Mealplanner50 · 06/08/2024 21:19

cigarettesNalcohol · 06/08/2024 19:13

Op you are panicking and pushing her away. These things are, to a certain extent, all part of normal teenage behaviour... but you are dealing with it badly by flying off the handle every time she makes a mistake.

And this is the point, she is 15. She is going to make a lot of mistakes. Grounding her is going to push her away more. You need to brush up your communication skills and take a step back. Discuss with her a plan going forward - in regards to her social life and what she wants VS what you will/will not tolerate so you are both on the same page.

You cannot stop her drinking or smoking. You cannot stop her growing up and making her own mistakes. You don't have to tolerate rudeness, poor behaviour, her lies and disrespect. Expect the worst from her but help her enjoy her freedom in a safe and trusting way. She needs to know if she fucks up you will be there for her. She probably thinks she can't trust you atm because if you found out she got drunk on vodka, you will get angry. Which is right, right ? After all, you admit to almost having a fight with her for her phone. I am not judging - it's just this shows she cant rely on you to be in control of your emotions in front of her mistakes.

Think of it as if she's a toddler having a meltdown - would you fight the toddler for the remote control ? No! You would talk to her and explain to her what your expectations are. Do the same here. Stay calm, set your boundaries and figure out a way of making sure she is safe, respectful to you but also feels happy and free to explore her teenage years.

Good luck!

Thanks for this, I'm going to discuss with her a plan going forward - in regards to her social life and what she wants VS what you will/will not tolerate so you are both on the same page.

What happens when we agree something and then she doesn't stick to it? Stops sharing location, comes home hours late or off her face? I'm out of consequences so its like having a rowdy adult living here all of a sudden.

A toddler tantrum is a good description, I guess I would give a toddler more understanding and patience and need to do the same here, argh bloody teenagers!!

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Mealplanner50 · 06/08/2024 21:37

BuddhaAtSea · 06/08/2024 20:23

Argh, OP, I’ve been there! It’s the absolute pits!
Pleased to say she’s now lovely and balanced and doing really well, but I really really thought I’ve fucked up at being a mother.

It’s that fine line between being a child and a grown up, they’re neither at that age, but we have no idea how to parent that either.
I said to mine: you’re not the first one to get drunk/run away/get into trouble (I’ve probably done worse than she ever has), but the one thing you must promise me is that you’ll come to me if you’re in trouble. That’s all I ask. I don’t need to know about the vodka, the drives at 1 am or whatever the hell they thought it might be a brilliant idea, don’t need to know about the drugs, the sex, the raves. You want to tell me, fine, but it’s not my problem. But I’ll absolutely lose my shit if I find out you’re stranded somewhere and didn’t call me, if you’re in any sort of trouble and I find out from someone else.

That resulted in her telling me EVERYTHING. To this day, she spills everything. And I never say anything, but I’m careful to have a little a propos de nothing chat to her about what I think needs to be addressed. She’s now an adult, she genuinely asks for my opinion and I never tell her what to do, I just say: if it was me, this is what I’d do, but you’re your own person, you decide, I’ll support you.

It’ll get better OP, hang in there.

If only they came with a book right? I've messed up royally over the last few weeks and burned our relationship in the process. Now is the time to move forward and behave better/differently.

She was telling me everything until the new friends popped up, hence me becoming suspicious of what she was up to. I've said more than a few times about making sure they stick together when out/drinking etc and she reckons they are good like that, only time will tell. Turning her location off really winds me up, if anything happens to her we won't have a clue where she is and be unable or delayed getting to her. I ain't going out to stalk her, I've got better things to do, I just like to see her location making its way home when she is due back.

Had to google a propos de nothing 😳 I can give it a go but think she'd raise an eyebrow at me currently, might be something to weave into conversations when we are talking more normally in the future. Conversations are a little clipped at the mo.

Thanks for your advice.

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Pterodacty1 · 06/08/2024 22:08

I got my older teens to agree to keeping Life360 location on by agreeing (and 100% sticking to) never, ever passing comment on where they are.

I wanted location on to know they were safe. While I also wanted to be judgmental about where they were hanging out and why they were late, that was less important than the safety issue. So we compromised - I get to know where they are 24/7, but will not pass comment on where they are, no matter how much I want to.

They are now 20 and 19 and still share Life360 location with me (and they are under no obligation to now they are adults). So it's worked. I feel a lot better knowing where they are, even if I don't like where they are.

coffeeandteav · 06/08/2024 22:54

Timeisnevertimeatall · 06/08/2024 19:09

Ah OP, a couple of cocktails didn't do this. Curiosity can be encouraged or extinguished depending on the friendship group - enough of them are up for experimenting, game on.
We all know shit things can happen, either because it did, to us/our friends, or because we read about it. But it doesn't always. She's 15, nearly at an age where you'd be allowing a bit more freedom anyway. I would suggest: open the lines of communication. She wants to drink alcohol - don't ban it, she can get it anyway as you've found out. Draw up some guidelines together, eg, clearly you will drink whether I say so or not, so promise me you will always tell me where you are, check in with me and tell me if it goes pear shaped. You can be both furious and accepting, the horse has bolted. And no, before it starts, I am in no way a 'cool mum' but my teenager is ace and I was a fucking nightmare. Pick your battles, keep her on side at all costs, keep her safe, make sure she knows where home is - I don't mean that literally, I mean it emotionally. And maybe discuss the pill... Sorry, not sorry

Totally agree with this. Good post.

Also the cocktail comment misses the point. You could have totally denied any alcohol and likely with said friends the same thing would have happened. Maybe worse as you would have made it more elicit.

Mealplanner50 · 07/08/2024 09:02

Pterodacty1 · 06/08/2024 22:08

I got my older teens to agree to keeping Life360 location on by agreeing (and 100% sticking to) never, ever passing comment on where they are.

I wanted location on to know they were safe. While I also wanted to be judgmental about where they were hanging out and why they were late, that was less important than the safety issue. So we compromised - I get to know where they are 24/7, but will not pass comment on where they are, no matter how much I want to.

They are now 20 and 19 and still share Life360 location with me (and they are under no obligation to now they are adults). So it's worked. I feel a lot better knowing where they are, even if I don't like where they are.

She has suggested I download L360, I’m up for doing this. Daft question will she still be able to turn off her location with it? How does it differ to iCloud location sharing?

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Mealplanner50 · 07/08/2024 09:06

coffeeandteav · 06/08/2024 22:54

Totally agree with this. Good post.

Also the cocktail comment misses the point. You could have totally denied any alcohol and likely with said friends the same thing would have happened. Maybe worse as you would have made it more elicit.

Yep it was gonna happen in my house or at the park so I figured home was safer and less elicit. Sadly I see a correlation in behaviour change and new friends, just gotta work out how to ride the storm now and get our relationship back on track.

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Pterodacty1 · 07/08/2024 09:52

Mealplanner50 · 07/08/2024 09:02

She has suggested I download L360, I’m up for doing this. Daft question will she still be able to turn off her location with it? How does it differ to iCloud location sharing?

Yes, she can. She can also just choose at any point to delete the app. So it all needs to be done on trust and cooperation.

We went through similar issues to you with our son when he was 15-16. Our relationship with him was very damaged at this time. We decided to focus on rebuilding a relationship based on "We are on your side" rather than being the enemy.

Pterodacty1 · 07/08/2024 10:12

How does it differ to iCloud location sharing?

Didn't answer your other question. Life360 is family tracking. So if you, DH and all your children join then at any time, you open Life360 and see on a map where all of them are. You can see movement live, so see then as they are driving/walking etc. You can see where they were/went for the previous 48h, with time stamps.

Right now for example, I can see DD20 (on holiday with her boyfriend) is in her hotel in Barcelona. They went to a bar last night, back in the hotel by 12.20am. I can also see they went for a walk around the locality yesterday morning.

I can see DS14 went to the local football goal on the green at 9pm last night, walked home 10pm.

And I can see that on Monday, DS19 did almost 100 miles (!) of driving around. (He's in the petrol head stage of loving his car and "going for a drive" for no reason).

Mealplanner50 · 07/08/2024 14:09

Pterodacty1 · 07/08/2024 09:52

Yes, she can. She can also just choose at any point to delete the app. So it all needs to be done on trust and cooperation.

We went through similar issues to you with our son when he was 15-16. Our relationship with him was very damaged at this time. We decided to focus on rebuilding a relationship based on "We are on your side" rather than being the enemy.

Thanks for this and the other post with more info, I think this might be a way forward. Location only purely for safety, stop asking questions and snooping and be there when the shit goes down, if it does, fingers crossed... but thats just too optimistic atm.

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Mealplanner50 · 14/08/2024 06:19

To update on this thread. We agreed 5 simple rules and I had stopped prying.

3 days ago the troubled friend absconded from a family holiday on the south coast and came back to London. Then claimed to be scared to stay home alone and has been staying with another family.

Her parents reported her missing so the police picked her up and took her back to the temporary accommodation.

Yesterday morning we discovered our dd had absconded and they were heading into the west end on the train (thanks life360) dd was unresponsive to any messages and calls all day and finally came home at 10pm and went straight to bed.

Another parent sent me videos of her shopping with a sugar daddy holding hands in central London and showing off her haul claiming it to be worth £500. I feel sick.

Where do I go from here?

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RedHelenB · 14/08/2024 06:45

Mealplanner50 · 14/08/2024 06:19

To update on this thread. We agreed 5 simple rules and I had stopped prying.

3 days ago the troubled friend absconded from a family holiday on the south coast and came back to London. Then claimed to be scared to stay home alone and has been staying with another family.

Her parents reported her missing so the police picked her up and took her back to the temporary accommodation.

Yesterday morning we discovered our dd had absconded and they were heading into the west end on the train (thanks life360) dd was unresponsive to any messages and calls all day and finally came home at 10pm and went straight to bed.

Another parent sent me videos of her shopping with a sugar daddy holding hands in central London and showing off her haul claiming it to be worth £500. I feel sick.

Where do I go from here?

Make sure she's on the pill for a start. When is the family support starting?

Mealplanner50 · 14/08/2024 06:51

RedHelenB · 14/08/2024 06:45

Make sure she's on the pill for a start. When is the family support starting?

SS are coming to see her tomorrow. What about the police? I need to make her a doctors appointment 🤢

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Octavia64 · 14/08/2024 06:58

Social services will definitely get involved with this one.

They will have advice which I'd advise you to stick to. I'm sorry that you are going through this.

They are used to working with girls in these situations - it was reasonably common at the school I worked at. She is obviously very vulnerable and the highest priority now is keeping her safe.

Octavia64 · 14/08/2024 07:00

Don't put her on the pill. Too easy to miss one.

The usual advice is implant or depo provera. You

Bellamari · 14/08/2024 07:21

At that age I would go nuclear. Remove her phone completely. Remove her from this group of friends, even if it means moving school, or moving house. This will escalate if you don’t nip it in the bud.

BumBumCream · 14/08/2024 08:21

Good luck OP. I’m sure you will get there in the end but I really feel for you. We have a lesser extreme situation here & even that is really impacting on my mental health I keep telling myself to trust that all will be okay in the end - it generally is… right?!

JanefromLondon1 · 14/08/2024 08:25

The police. Looks like she's being groomed by this sugar daddy. They want something in return for the stuff they're buying them.

Pterodacty1 · 14/08/2024 09:50

Are you able to talk to her on a kind, compassionate way about her relationship (as opposed to being judgemental and restrictive)?

The risk here is that she's being exploited. But if she is (and she may not be) then the way to approach supporting her in that situation comes from understanding her motivations so that you can help her understand healthy relationship choices. Children's services will help you with this.

Your use of the word "sugar daddy" is very emotive. Is this your phrasing? What precisely do you mean?

Has she physically got gifts? Bear in mind people exaggerate what goes online.

I've also noted a couple of times now where the parents of other children are factoring into the minute details of incidents. Stop discussing things with other families. The gossiping will only inflame the situation. Request (and consent to) a Child In Need Plan from social services. They will give you the best help, if you want it that is (they won't insist you take the help)

Mealplanner50 · 14/08/2024 10:35

Pterodacty1 · 14/08/2024 09:50

Are you able to talk to her on a kind, compassionate way about her relationship (as opposed to being judgemental and restrictive)?

The risk here is that she's being exploited. But if she is (and she may not be) then the way to approach supporting her in that situation comes from understanding her motivations so that you can help her understand healthy relationship choices. Children's services will help you with this.

Your use of the word "sugar daddy" is very emotive. Is this your phrasing? What precisely do you mean?

Has she physically got gifts? Bear in mind people exaggerate what goes online.

I've also noted a couple of times now where the parents of other children are factoring into the minute details of incidents. Stop discussing things with other families. The gossiping will only inflame the situation. Request (and consent to) a Child In Need Plan from social services. They will give you the best help, if you want it that is (they won't insist you take the help)

Her friends referred to him as her sugar daddy in the videos I’ve been sent. I’ve confronted her just now and the story kept changing.Didn’t know him, then he was an odd rich guy, then she spent 20 minutes with him, then he bought her a coat and bag. Apparently he is in a lot of their group photos, I can’t believe anything she says atm.

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Octavia64 · 14/08/2024 10:41

There is no point confronting her.

By this point the worry is that she is being groomed so that she can be abused either sexually or drugs.

You need professional advice from social services and or the police as they will be familiar with how these people operate and will be able to give advice based on actual experience.

At this point you are in way over your head. Don't take advice from either your friends or randoms off Mumsnet (yes I am aware how ironic this is).

Wait for police and social services and talk to them and do exactly what they say.

Caaarrrl · 14/08/2024 11:24

Bellamari · 14/08/2024 07:21

At that age I would go nuclear. Remove her phone completely. Remove her from this group of friends, even if it means moving school, or moving house. This will escalate if you don’t nip it in the bud.

What exactly do you think going nuckear will achieve at this point? From what OP had said, her DD will be aggressive and refuse to comply. It could end in a physical confrontation and DD running away.

lifesrichpageant · 15/08/2024 06:05

OP no advice, just a handhold. I am in the middle of something similar with DS (also 15). It is an awful situation to be in. I am full of anxiety and also grief for what we used to have and how awful things can be at times now. I am grateful for the other posters sharing success stories. I know that in there is a lovely young person with whom I have a special bond, but some days lately it is WW3 at my place. Good luck.