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Big fall out with DS16 - advice please..

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AddictedtoCrunchies · 20/05/2024 09:40

DS lives with me and spends Sat night/ Sunday with his dad plus one evening mid week.

I've caught DS vaping a few times since Christmas. I've either found the vape, or he's done it in his room, and the smell is an immediate giveaway. Each time we've spoken about it and I've explained how bad it is yadda yadda. He always denies it, and I get more cross because of the lying. I can't stand lying.

Last conversation was last Friday when I took him out to a cafe and we had a good chat. I am trying to keep things calm because of GCSEs and all was well. Yesterday (Sunday) his dad messaged me to say he suspected vaping. (We are separated but get on v well.) Despite DS telling me Friday he'd thrown it away. Lies..

DS came home from his dad, I spoke to him again and he stormed out and was gone for an hour. When he got back he barricaded himself in his room and said some pretty vile things to me while I was trying to talk to him through the door. I left him to it and watched tv then went to bed. He texted me to apologise but I'm really hurt.

He basically told me I'm a shit mum and that I don't support him or understand what he's going through. I just nag. (GF dumped him two weeks ago.) I'm really trying to be the adult here but I'm struggling. I feel like I've bent over backwards in recent weeks to alleviate exam pressure.

I wake him up, make his breakfast, load his stuff in the dishwasher, make his packed lunch. Then I encourage revision (nag apparently..) make tea, clear up, walk the dog, do the bins etc etc. No expectations on him at all other than exams and revision.

I really don't want to rock the boat mid exams but I dont know how to handle this. He's an only child, we've always been close, I support him and he's close to his grandparents. He's just turned into a horrible child.

He knows he's in the wrong as was v sheepish but after rows in the past I've just smoothed things over and let it go. I don't feel like I can let this go as I may be a lot of things but I'm not a shit mum.

Any thoughts please?

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AddictedtoCrunchies · 20/05/2024 09:43

To add to ^

  1. I work full time Mon to Thurs then have another job on a Friday morning.
  2. DS finishes school in 4 weeks and will hopefully be starting an apprenticeship as down to 2nd interview. If unsuccessful he will go to college. Either way he's at home for the next 2-3 years. Which is fine.
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JasonTindallsTan · 20/05/2024 09:43

Nip it in the bud asap. ‘I’m not a shit mum DS, I give a shit about your health hence the ‘nagging’. A shit mum wouldn’t care less and definitely wouldn’t be running around after you waking you up, making your breakfast and etc. I can stop doing all that stuff to show you exactly what it would be like to have a shit mum if you’d prefer but otherwise an apology will suffice and a promise not to treat me like that in future. Don’t be a dick. There’s no need.’

Marghogeth · 20/05/2024 09:44

You're a good Mum, but I'd let this one go or you'll push him away. He's under pressure, he's hurting, he's 16. Be glad it isn't vodka in the park. Back off.

OmuraWhale · 20/05/2024 09:46

You're not a shit mum, but I do have some sympathy with your DS here. His girlfriend dumped him 2 weeks ago and he's in the middle of GCSE stress. Honestly I'd let the vaping thing go for the next few weeks, then lay down the law after GCSEs.

AnOpinionInTheHand · 20/05/2024 09:48

So…he does nothing around the house? Does he know how to do basic chores?

SockNoMore · 20/05/2024 09:49

Absolutely what @JasonTindallsTan said. I told my teens when it came to GCSEs that I loved them so much I was willing to piss them off, be on their case and make sure they did the best they could. I am not their mate but their Mother and I will lay down the law in this house. Remind him that you too were once his age and no teen feels like the world understands them. It is just how we all felt as teens.

For your son I would add, I am concerned about the effects of vaping, putting that stuff into your lungs as no long term studies have been done. I would tell them we once used to have lead in paint and asbestos in building materials and now we don't do that because we know how harmful it is.

TM1979 · 20/05/2024 09:51

I have a ds nearly 20. 16 was by far the worst age of the teen years. I thought I was going mad. It does get easier and it will pass but you have to pick your battles. It took me a while to learn how to do that. He’s hurt and humiliated over the girlfriend, his exams are coming up, I would give him some space. Let the vaping go. I know none of us want our kids vaping but they will anyway. Let it go for now. You’re not a shit mum.

AddictedtoCrunchies · 20/05/2024 09:53

AnOpinionInTheHand · 20/05/2024 09:48

So…he does nothing around the house? Does he know how to do basic chores?

He doesn't do much at the moment as I'm trying to support him.

However usually he will hoover, load/unload the dishwasher, stick a wash on, walk the dog etc. He can also make basic meals.

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Jangaroul754 · 20/05/2024 10:21

Woah op! You are obviously a really great, conscientious mum, and your ds is lucky to have two caring parents, but you need to take a step back!

Your ds is no longer a child, nor is he “horrible”.

He’s a young man starting to individuate in to an adult which is a normal process. To achieve that he needs to question and reject some of the values and norms he’s been brought up with, and find some of his own, and of course fitting in with friends and vaping is all part of that.

I am not saying that vaping is good, or should be encouraged, but you need to give him the facts, for example, a couple of leaflets about collapsed lungs, then trust him and the strength of your relationship that he will see the light and make the decision on his own to stop.

I think you may not have much success imposing a ban from the top down. A better approach is “I am interested to see what decision you make, you are an intelligent young man and I have every confidence that you will make the right decision to protect your health. Don’t be a sheep etc”

“I wake him up, make his breakfast, load his stuff in the dishwasher, make his packed lunch. Then I encourage revision (nag apparently..) make tea, clear up, walk the dog, do the bins etc etc. No expectations on him at all other than exams and revision.”

^^ Also op, when I read the above paragraph my immediate thoughts are, “why?” Why are you doing all of these things for your son? I know it comes from a place of love but the underlying message he is receiving is “you are not capable”.

By the age of sixteen he should be responsible for waking himself up and getting out of bed, making his own breakfast (I suggest he should be cooking one or two evening meals a week too), be responsible for his own lunch, either making it or buying it himself, he should be loading and unloading the dishwasher, doing his own laundry and helping out with chores like bins etc.

My dds were doing their own laundry at twelve and were cooking a Friday night meal for the entire family at sixteen!

I understand that you want him to do well academically, but if he does well in his GCSEs he will be off to uni in two years. How do you anticipate that he is going to look after himself if he doesn’t know how to cook, clean and launder his clothes?

Aside from the above, you doing everything sounds really stifling op. You are treating him like a ten year old!

No wonder he is rebelling a bit! Behaviour is communication op! And his behaviour is saying, “I am more grown up than you realise, I have friends and activities that you don’t know about or don’t approve of because I am growing up and I can make my own decisions” instead of having every decision about his life made for him!

So take a large step back op! Get busy with your own life and develop some hobbies and interests that will serve you well for when your son leaves home in two years. Stop doing everything for him. Support, advise and cheer him on, but from the sidelines, let him steer the boat!

Good luck 🌷

Edited to say: sorry have just seen your update about him doing some chores so please ignore that bit of my post.

Have also just read your post about him going on to college and doing an apprenticeship and living at home for the next couple of years. In that case imho it’s even more important that you transition over time from mother-son to “two adults sharing the same space” or you will still be washing his smalls when he is twenty and you don’t want him to expect that from a wife or partner!

Comedycook · 20/05/2024 10:25

He doesn't mean it...I also have a ds16. He has absolutely no concept or idea of how much I do for him. I suspect your ds is the same. He's just miserable and stressed I imagine due to the girlfriend situation and GCSEs and he's taking it out on you. At least he apologised.

Beamur · 20/05/2024 10:26

He's in the middle of his GCSE's and his gf dumped him.
If he's normally a good kid I would let this go..
Offer an olive branch. Take him out for some food tell him you love him and will cut him some slack for now.
You will see a different boy in a few weeks. Don't fight now.

Beamur · 20/05/2024 10:29

My DD sat her last year and I did exactly the same as you! She was waited on hand and foot and was very grateful for the love and support.

Jangaroul754 · 20/05/2024 10:34

Beamur · 20/05/2024 10:29

My DD sat her last year and I did exactly the same as you! She was waited on hand and foot and was very grateful for the love and support.

Each to their own and of course as parents we support them to the max during exam season but personally I think a bit of a break from studying to mow a lawn or do a bit of mindless laundry or washing up is no bad thing! I am not talking about giving them an entire house cleaning list!

Tinkerbellflowers · 20/05/2024 10:39

OmuraWhale · 20/05/2024 09:46

You're not a shit mum, but I do have some sympathy with your DS here. His girlfriend dumped him 2 weeks ago and he's in the middle of GCSE stress. Honestly I'd let the vaping thing go for the next few weeks, then lay down the law after GCSEs.

This

Portfun24 · 20/05/2024 11:19

I'd reduce his stress right now and just leave it till Gcses are done..then you can go to a vaping shop and get a reusable vape and get a liquid that has a lower nicotine % in it and then reduce it again and ween him off it until he doesn't need it, they should be able to advise. It's not easy to just quit without side effects especially in the middle of GCSE's and when he's just split with his girlfriend.

AddictedtoCrunchies · 20/05/2024 12:18

Thank you all for your advice. Lots to think about.

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Bumblebeeinatree · 20/05/2024 12:23

Say thank you for apologising, I know you didn't really mean the things you said but they were very hurtful, let's try to get through this stressful time calmly together.

MissyB1 · 20/05/2024 12:23

OmuraWhale · 20/05/2024 09:46

You're not a shit mum, but I do have some sympathy with your DS here. His girlfriend dumped him 2 weeks ago and he's in the middle of GCSE stress. Honestly I'd let the vaping thing go for the next few weeks, then lay down the law after GCSEs.

Yes this. Get through the next few weeks first, address the vaping afterwards. Explain to him that this is the plan. Empathise with him about the gf thing and the exams. Tell him you understand he feels he needs the vapes as a crutch right now. But also tell him you would really like to help him wean off them after the exams. Honestly this will all pass, it will be OK.

Gabiabbi · 20/05/2024 12:25

You sound a fantastic mum, OP. I'd agree with others that you need to pick your battles. Banning him from vaping wont make him stop, it'll just make him more likely to lie about it. My DD was vaping and my initial reaction was anger, however I took a breath and instead let her know I knew she was vaping, reiterated the health risks and that she could approach me or others if she wanted help quitting. She carried on for a few weeks, then came to me saying she wanted to quit. She's had one hiccup since, but she's now open and honest and knows I won't immediately bash her for her mistakes. I can think of lots of examples where I've made bad parental decisions 😅 but this is one that had a really good outcome.

EssexCat · 20/05/2024 12:25

MissyB1 · 20/05/2024 12:23

Yes this. Get through the next few weeks first, address the vaping afterwards. Explain to him that this is the plan. Empathise with him about the gf thing and the exams. Tell him you understand he feels he needs the vapes as a crutch right now. But also tell him you would really like to help him wean off them after the exams. Honestly this will all pass, it will be OK.

Yep. I agree with this too.

its a tough one I know, but my for the sake of 3-4 more weeks I’d bite my tongue (NOT about the revision though - I’d continue the ‘nagging’ there) but then address it fully once the exams are over.

Greenflamesburn · 20/05/2024 12:36

For the love of God stop getting him up.
You are setting him up to fail if he can't get his own arse out of bed for school at 16.
Are you going to get him up for his apprenticeship every day also. What if you have a day off and want a chilled morning in bed.
Just because he has GCSEs doesn't mean he can't still chip in. Life can be stressful a lesson better learnt early than late in life. As you learn to juggle and prioritise things.

As for the vaping cut him off financially so he can buy them, if dad agrees with you that will help. Money on school account and bus pass bought for him. No cash to enter his domain.
You find it you bin it. rinse and repeat.

HelplessSoul · 20/05/2024 14:29

I'd show him the door and then change the locks.

Marghogeth · 20/05/2024 16:04

HelplessSoul · 20/05/2024 14:29

I'd show him the door and then change the locks.

Overreaction, much?!

Ritadidsomethingbad · 20/05/2024 16:25

I was expecting you to say far far worse.

This is all pretty standard stuff for 16. He is not going to turn in to a crack head if he is using a vape - which most likely all his mates are. Annoying yes but this is not the hill you want to die on.

I genuinely do think teenagers - especially boys suffer with tiredness at this age. They can act like ogres but they do pass through it.

Please don’t continue talking to him through the door. If he is barricading himself in his room he is trying to escape you - nothing is going to sink in when you are still speaking to him through the door. Leave him be.

Respect for you and the home is what you should be aiming for now whilst he is doing his exams - but that also means you not being on his back constantly.

HelplessSoul · 20/05/2024 16:28

Marghogeth · 20/05/2024 16:04

Overreaction, much?!

In what way?

He's 16. If he can lie and also be of an age to get employment, then why not?

Let him see how the real world works instead of all this woke shit about how he's "not understood" and other nonsense.

JFC.