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Parenting teenagers has its ups and downs. Get advice from Mumsnetters here.

Should My Teen Live With Her Dad

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Dani1980 · 26/08/2023 09:44

Hi
I’m a single mother to a near 14 year old. I’m early 40s. Been single 8 years while raising my DD. Her father left town after he split up with me to be with his new girlfriend and her children. At that time he saw our daughter fairly regularly on weekends as he was only 1.5 hours away. However that gf left him, he dated a few others but then met a woman who lives far away. He moved in with her and our daughter only sees him once or twice a year due to the distance. He does phone her once a week. He is not with that woman he moved for, has gad a few different ones but currently living with a nice lady who has two grown up daughters. My daughter has met her and likes her. My ex husband had a good job, decent income plus is partnered. I earn half what he earns and it has been a challenge juggling work and parenting. I love my daughter to pieces BUT I’m having struggles. She hates school. School are aware of the problems. She refuses to speak to a school counsellor or have external counseling. I know she has anxiety and low confidence. Her school attendance is not good as she has massive meltdowns before school and I have to give in and let her stay home. She has social anxiety and hardly wants to leave home. She doesn’t play sport. Her weight is not great. She is cheeky to me all the time because when I try lay down rules of consequences for not going to school ie: remove wifi - she gets disrespectful. I’m struggling to get her to do simple things of tidy up after herself or look after her pets. She barely wants to go anywhere or do anything but gets upset if I go out such as meeting girlfriends for coffee or lunch. It’s very hard managing financially too. I’ve been seriously thinking of sending her to her father seems he has a partner to help, way better off financially and primarily will have more structure for our daughter. She will not argue with her dad and his gf and will go to school and be made to get out socially and not be sedentary and do her chores. I’m worried if she stays with me there isn’t that firmness and structure to see her finish school, be independent and responsible and have a decent future ahead of her. She’s been with me 90% of the time and definitely doesnt want to live with her father. She says she would miss me too much and yes I would miss her. I’m trying to decide what is the best decision to make for her overall well-being.

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Whattodo112222 · 26/08/2023 10:11

I wouldn't. Sounds like you're offloading her because you can't cope. She needs you and has expressed not wanting to live there. Why would you try to enforce her to?

Dani1980 · 26/08/2023 10:21

I do not want to offload her. I have tried in vain to get her into counselling and speak to a therapist once a month as it’s all I can get assistance with. I know the excessive time on internet isn’t helping and staying indoors because she gets anxious going places around other teens. If I turn wifi off to limit it, she gets mad. I’m always trying to get her involved in fun activities which I’ll do with her be it roller skating, ice skating, beach trips, sport, cinemas etcetera. I have mum/daughter sessions with her where we just hang out at home and watch Netflix, bake, do artwork. I try talk encouragingly to her to boost her self esteem. I cannot home school as I work fulltime.
When she visits her dad he manages to get her out and about and involved in activities. He gets her successfully off too much time on devices. She doesn’t argue and get in moods with him. The only reason I’m asking advice if she should go there is for her well-being because her schooling is suffering and her social anxiety is not improving but I’m not winning with changing the situation. Maybe that means I’m too soft or I suck at parenting but I am trying my best.

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Whattodo112222 · 26/08/2023 10:25

Nobody think you suck at parenting. I'm not saying the problems you've described aren't real, but she's a teenager. The majority of teenagers are difficult..
You're her primary carer and she's already told you that she doesn't want to live with him.
Can you and her father talk to her together? Perhaps a tough love type talk.

BungleandGeorge · 26/08/2023 10:31

No you can’t do that to her. You’re seeing the behaviour because she feels safe with you. She hardly sees her dad, she doesn’t feel the same bond and safety so she isn’t comfortable to say she doesn’t want to go out etc. that’s fine pretending for a short visit. You need to get to the bottom of what’s wrong. If she’s missing school the school should be taking action. Counselling isn’t for everyone, there’s other options

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SeulementUneFois · 26/08/2023 10:36

OP

For an alternative option - why not try a trial month. (Or week (
Present it to her as - she's unhappy, let's see maybe it would be different over with him.
She's a child, you can't be driven solely by what she wants - as you are doing, you need to think of the possible by benefits to her.

Dani1980 · 26/08/2023 10:37

The school wanted to get her to talk to their counsellors but she refused. She gets in her anxieties at school and asks them to call me so she can come home but they don’t give in. They let her sit in a room for a while then send her back to class. It might seem harsh but they don’t want her missing out on more lessons than she already does plus trying to get her to push through the anxiety to prove she can overcome it with determination. She’s not bullied at school that I know of. I realise teen years are hard especially today with social media and feeling you have to be perfect to fit in, trying to figure out who you are and what your identity is. My main worry is her future - if she doesn’t get a good education what are her prospects.

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Dani1980 · 26/08/2023 10:40

She’s adamant she wants to stay with me. Her father lives 11 hours away so if she went to him, I’d only see her school holidays. I don’t want her ever to think I don’t love her or pushing her away. I really do want her to go to school regularly and mingle with kids her age, be active and healthy, be confident

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Dani1980 · 26/08/2023 10:47

He has said he would but the big issue he’s never been the primary carer so isn’t really aware of all that is involved. The mental and emotional health of our teen is very important and this is my main concern along with her education

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BCBird · 26/08/2023 10:49

I feel.for u OP.At 14 I think it is possible to.have a semi adult conversation with her. Tell her that you want her to feel more settled bit itbis not something u can do aline. I don't think there is anything wrong with saying u r struggling with knowing what to do.there isn't a manual for parenting after all. Hopefully you can work together.

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Namechangedforthis2244 · 26/08/2023 10:51

Take her to the gp. She isn’t well, is struggling to leave the house, has anxiety which is fuelling school refusing and is not willing to try counselling.

Dani1980 · 26/08/2023 10:57

Have taken her to GP. She suggested therapy/counselling but daughter has refused. Next step is on waiting list for paediatrician as they might suggest medication. I’m not sure how I feel about medicating kids but I really do want her to be happy, positive, confident and not miss out on her teen years being holed in her room. She’s also gaining weight as she eats for comfort and doesn’t do sport or exercise. I bought a boxing bag and treadmill and she barely uses them. I’ve offered to join a gym with her or just go on walks and again, she refuses.

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Twingletree89 · 26/08/2023 11:00

Absolutely not op. I thought when I read your op that your daughter was wanting to go and live with her dad! She might be compliant when she first lived with her dad but pretty soon the same issues would arise if they aren’t tackled head on.

It’s very hard. And it sounds like every day is a battle at the moment. But if your ex is willing to have her live with him, then surely he can contribute a bit more financially? And have her during school holidays. And just because he lives far away doesn’t mean he can’t travel occasionally and be a more involved parent generally. It sounds like you need some support.

It’s very hard raising teens and very intense and lonely one-on-one, so try and get some help for yourself. It’s good that the school are aware of what is going on. See the gp and, although it seems impossible, please keep trying to get your daughter enrolled with a counsellor if you can.

Sorry to be so blunt but your job as the mother of a teen is to continue to bethere through thick and thin as a solid, positive presence, while she goes off the rails a bit. Your her safety net. And emotional shock absorber. It’s very draining for mothers but stick with it. She will be watching your actions and how you deal with this stressful situation. In some ways she is putting you through a test which is why this feels so difficult.

I know you are probably thinking you want to send her to her dad’s bc you are not up to the job and that you are letting your daughter down but you ARE doing it right now, and you are the best person, the one constant in her life, to do this with her.

Please don’t despair. This is a phase. It will get better. She will find her way to independence. But it’s a marathon not a sprint. Please hang in there. Your daughter needs you.

Have a look at the books and podcast by Lisa Damour on raising teen daughters. They are very helpful.

By the way, you say that your daughter needs more structure and discipline than you can provide atm, and I totally get it, as she needs to get to school and the longer she is out of school, the more isolated and anxious she will feel.

You might consider changing your approach though. Perhaps stop trying to parent from the top down and make your parenting more collaborative and shift the responsibility for her actions more and more on to your daughter as she gets older.

So you are not in opposition to her but running alongside her encouraging her and curious to see what decisions she will make. This sounds a bit hippy dippy and ineffectual but you can still express your strong disappointment about lack of school attendance and strong encouragement to get her to attend but ultimately the responsibility is on her. And let the natural consequences flow.

She doesn’t go to school then she gets in trouble with her HOY and ultimately the head teacher. Don’t act as a buffer or lie on her behalf or make staying at home comfortable for her.

Make sure she takes more responsibility for other things in her life too like cooking, doing her washing, making decisions. Give her a sense of control over as much as you can. Get her thinking about what sort of life she will want as an adult. Look at courses and careers. Give her a sense she is working towards something.

It’s particularly hard because she sounds very (anxiously?) attached to you but in order to individuate as an adult, she almost needs to reject you and everything you stand for, to grow in to an independent person on her own path, so the road ahead will be rocky. But please don’t take it personally. It’s a natural process.

Whatever parenting methods you use though, please have confidence in YOURSELF op that you are enough and you have everything she needs. Your dd needs you to be confident in yourself so model that for her.

Teens, as they mature, stop needing top down parenting at some point and need good role models instead. The best parenting tool is example.

So if you want your dd to be less anxious and more pro-active then put your best foot forward and give her that example. She may not look like she is paying attention but, believe me., she is watching your actions and this is why getting yourself some support and going out on your own and maybe starting a hobby you love and doing things that bring you joy and calm are so important.

Again, speaking very bluntly, and not saying this in specific relation to you op, but very much in general, some teens don’t want to grow up because their parents make adulthood look so hard and worrying and generally unattractive and although it’s massively hard as a single parent, we need to show them the good bits of adulthood too.

Good luck 💐

heartofglass23 · 26/08/2023 11:07

She's clearly depressed and comfort eating to self medicate.

This is what all those lockdowns did to our generation of DCs!

If school is a problem move school.

If she's overweight tackle her diet.

Don't fret too much about what you think she should be doing with friends/exercising.

So many of them just socialise online now. It's not good but reality.

Also as long as she's walking/active she doesn't need to do structured sports etc.

The dad thing is a non starter.

TeenagersAngst · 26/08/2023 11:10

I think you have to make therapy non negotiable and follow through with consequences. You need something to break the cycle she's in.

She's clearly depressed and anxious. If she were an adult, medication would be easier but as she's a young teen I think it's unlikely she'll be prescribed anything unless there's a formal diagnosis. Therapy can help her (it's slowly helping my daughter).

Dani1980 · 26/08/2023 11:13

Really appreciate your input and points you made here. I know as a teen they need a parent who is there unconditionally and won’t give up. She would also feel awkward by her dad as she’s not comfortable talking about periods and feminine things.
I do have expectations of jobs around the house which she barely bothers with, mainly cleaning up after herself. We do a bit of cooking together however it’s an area that needs improvement. I have plenty cook books.
And yes you are right that they observe our parenting and oftentimes I feel like I’m not setting a good enough example because I escalate too quick because I’m tired or stressed. I don’t have the best confidence in life either so it can be challenging helping her low confidence.
Her father has always refused to help extra financially and only pays what he legally has to. We split the travel costs for her to visit him50/50 but he doesn’t seem prepared to pay towards extra visits and I cannot afford it on my own. He is aware of the challenges I’m facing but simply tells me to harden up.

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Dani1980 · 26/08/2023 11:17

She’s already changed schools. She just wants to avoid school altogether and be at home because she says she doesn’t like Being with other teens. Home schooling is something I could trial but I don’t see how it will assist her with the social anxiety.

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Twingletree89 · 26/08/2023 11:19

Dani1980 · 26/08/2023 11:13

Really appreciate your input and points you made here. I know as a teen they need a parent who is there unconditionally and won’t give up. She would also feel awkward by her dad as she’s not comfortable talking about periods and feminine things.
I do have expectations of jobs around the house which she barely bothers with, mainly cleaning up after herself. We do a bit of cooking together however it’s an area that needs improvement. I have plenty cook books.
And yes you are right that they observe our parenting and oftentimes I feel like I’m not setting a good enough example because I escalate too quick because I’m tired or stressed. I don’t have the best confidence in life either so it can be challenging helping her low confidence.
Her father has always refused to help extra financially and only pays what he legally has to. We split the travel costs for her to visit him50/50 but he doesn’t seem prepared to pay towards extra visits and I cannot afford it on my own. He is aware of the challenges I’m facing but simply tells me to harden up.

Sorry your ex is so unsupportive op 😮. He sounds totally incapable of being a good father tbh. A great shame and very disappointing for you and your dd but best left behind.

You on the other hand sound like you are doing everything right. It’s a very hard job you are doing as well. And when you are in the throes of it it feels like it will never come right, but it will. Your dd maybe just needs more time to mature and experience life and she will build her confidence and get there eventually.

BungleandGeorge · 26/08/2023 11:24

Why did she change school?
what was she like at primary? If there’s a reason for her current behaviour like bullying, trauma, autism the current approach by the school is likely to make things worse.

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