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DD - Inappropriate online behaviour

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Aisleseat · 14/06/2023 06:34

I’m struggling so much with my DD(14) over the past 2 months and her behaviour online. I apologise for this lengthy post but I’m just at a loss as to what I should do next.
To give some background, this is a girl who has always struggled to integrate with a friend group. She’s always been on the edge of groups and more often than not is left out. I think fear of rejection stops her from asking people if they want to meet up yet she then sees people living their best lives online and wonders why she isn’t involved.

In May I became worried about her reliance on her phone, secrecy and a change in attitude. It was getting worse so after another sleepless night I went with my gut and looked at her Snapchat. I know they all have loads of people on there that they’ve never met but hers was awash with guys names from all over the country - complete strangers.
When I delved deeper the interaction with some of these guys just shocked me - videos, voice messages, nudity and extremely explicit content (from both sides). This was going on in rooms all over the house.
Both her Dad and I raised it with her and she was mortified but admitted to liking adding strangers and loving the attention that they were giving her when she shared this content and did as they asked.
My heart was completely broken and we explained how wrong it was. We removed the phone for 3 weeks and it was torture. At the end of this we sat her down, told her that we were giving her back the phone but that she needed to create a new account and to not be dragged into this attention seeking behaviour again. She could only use the phone while in a room with one of us and while she was not happy with these conditions, she went with it.
All good for 2 weeks and then the Sunday before last i need to run to the supermarket and her Dad is out. She is at home for 40 minutes on her own. When I get back, her behaviour yet again arouses suspicion. She’s over the top nice, helpful, hugging me etc.
So that evening I check the phone again and she’s been in contact with one of the previous lads apologising for not being in touch but that she can’t share that content with him anymore. He has said that he doesn’t mind but continues to ask, overloading her with compliments etc. The second I leave the house she has gone upstairs, stripped off and videoed herself simulating sex with various items as requested.
I lost my head with her and begged her to stop, she admits that she knows that it’s wrong and won’t do it again. I’m now at the stage where she has to be with me constantly as I can’t trust her to be alone. It’s utterly exhausting - I can’t even go for a walk if her dad hasn’t come home from work because she just can’t be trusted.

The final straw was yesterday when yet again I could sense the attitude change again, I asked to look at her phone and she is chatting to a guy - fairly usual teen flirting - but it transpires that he’s a stranger again. I tell her that I’m taking her phone and she physically confronts me not allowing me to leave the house to collect her sister begging for her phone.
After being thumped, scraped and pushed I finally get out to my car with the phone in my hand. I’ve had time now to look at it and she’s set up additional snap accounts to communicate with previous guys who have all been the recipients of her previous explicit content. The devastating thing is that she’s telling them that she can’t share any more content but wants to be friends with them. I’m sure you can understand that this is only going to end up with her doing the same thing again.

Im utterly devastated and don’t know what to do next. She now has no contact again with any of her peers but I just can’t trust her with a phone. I bloody well despise Snapchat now !
I’ve thought about seeking therapy or counselling for her to work on her self-esteem and self worth but don’t know if I’m just grasping at straws and it will be a waste of time and money.
How in the name of god am I going to get her through this without losing all of our sanity.

OP posts:
Aquamarine1029 · 22/08/2024 21:54

I’ve thought about seeking therapy or counselling for her to work on her self-esteem and self worth but don’t know if I’m just grasping at straws and it will be a waste of time and money.

Oh my goodness, op, of course your daughter needs therapy. She desperately needs professional help. How could you possibly think that would be a waste of money? Your daughter is figuratively screaming for help.

duvet · 23/08/2024 16:31

@AdvicePleas That's also the thing with being mum, we are always looking to blame ourselves, and yes we are not perfect - but most of the time we are doing the best we can in the circumstances we're in ... and so are they! That is my mantra! Social Media has a lot to answer for!!

LoremIpsumCici · 23/08/2024 16:48

sashh · 14/06/2023 07:11

OP

Your DD has been groomed. Stop blaming her, she is a victim.

I'd take the phone to the police, technically your DD has committed several crimes but the police will be more interested in the men she is talking to.

If they are grooming your DD they are doing it to others.

This!!

Your DD is a victim of child grooming.
Stop saying she is untrustworthy, that she is wrong.

LoremIpsumCici · 23/08/2024 16:53

pinkginfizz9 · 14/06/2023 11:30

There is absolutely nothing in the op's posts to suggest she is being coerced .Do you understand what coerced means? It doesn't mean asked, or even nagged , it means she is being subjected to threats.There is absolutely no evidence she is nit sending these pictures happily and willingly.Neither is their evidence to say these young boys aren't who they purport to be.It is a crime to send this content to another child!

As a survivor who was groomed, I know what coerced is and it doesn’t have to be coercion by threats, there is also coercion by fraud- fraud as in pretending to be your friend, your boyfriend, to love you, that what is asked of you is normal and ok. The whole point of grooming is to get the child victim to do what you want happily, willingly because it’s what you are supposed do with a man who loves you, so why wouldn’t you?

It’s also not the child’s crime for a child to sent pictures of themself to an adult that the adult requested- the crime is done by the adult asking for the pictures and manipulating the child into sending them.

SmileLady · 24/08/2024 06:03

I completely agree with the posters here. I was an adolescent safeguarding social worker for over 20 years and now a DSL in a school. The sharing of indecent images of children is illegal and a criminal act. Even if the recipients are children. You must report this to the school and get her support. She needs to attend sexually harmful therapy. Every area CAHMS had a service like this. But you usually need to be referred via your school/social worker/police.

If you can wait for the school to reopen, then please reach out to your local children's services. They will get support in place ASAP.

This is child sexual exploitation (CSE).

Good luck.

MintyNew · 24/08/2024 06:11

Surely you just take her phone away completely as a start. Why has she been given a phone again?

NicoleSkidman · 24/08/2024 07:28

This is horrendous, and yet another lesson in why smartphones should not be given to children.

OP, when you returned the phone to your daughter the first time, why didn’t you remove Snapchat and other social media first? Her phone should have been completely locked down so that she couldn’t access these things.

AdvicePleas · 28/08/2024 01:37

I am sure the original op, who wrote on this last year and myself and other people who are in similar positions have done the obvious - take the phone away!!
in fact this week - she has NO phone, she has managed to steal a work laptop which doesn’t need snap chat to be downloaded, found multiple old phones that we aren’t using.
after these were taken, she sneaked into my room and stole my phone overnight to download and reset Snapchat - but she didn’t manage to put the phone back.
so got caught.

we can’t even get angry anymore - we are away at the moment and are just waiting to get back to start therapy and other things,

one day she was out shopping with me - and I found her taking videos / speaking to a stranger in the toilets of the shops.
I never ever thought I would be in this situation as I have had so many things in place for social media - even down to an app that can monitor which sites they are on and lockdown their use,
bit when you have teenager that is on destructive behaviour - we need to get to the root of that problem

rather than just rules . In a few years we have even less control -I need her to work on understanding why it’s not safe for her.
irs so hard !

socks1107 · 28/08/2024 20:49

We've been here with a yp in our family. I've zero advice because after removing all online gadgets a man sent one to a locker pick up. We are estranged as she's an adult now and chose to carry on, knowing we would do anything to stop her she cut contact with us.

She refused to engage with services, and we had the police involved. Probably worst case scenario but it's been horrific to go through. I'm one step removed as she's not my daughter but the effects it's left are huge.
I hope you can get your daughters to sense

cupcaske123 · 28/08/2024 20:58

I would have put safeguards in place to prevent her accessing apps. You can put safeguards on your home WI-FI to block apps and social media or download an app that limits how much time she can use the phone for and what she can access online.

You could also have given her a phone with no internet access, one that texts and has calls or not allowed her to use the phone alone ie take the phone when either parent isn't there.

Scandicc · 28/08/2024 21:11

As someone who displayed the same type of behaviour in her early teens (although through good old MSN and webcams) - please understand that she solely operates on a rush of power and confidence from being desired. It’s horrible but I was addicted to the same and I wish someone had found out. I still struggle with the aftermath now in my mid thirties, especially with real intimacy and the constant longing for the rush.

rainbowlou · 28/08/2024 21:30

My ds’s friend was doing this also at 14 and the police became involved after her mum called them.

cupcaske123 · 28/08/2024 21:32

ZOMBIE ZOMBIE ZOMBIE

partridgeinasweartree · 28/08/2024 21:40

OP a word of warning. This happened to my daughter at 14, and by the time I realised she'd already met a much older man at a local park. There is not enough eye bleach in the world to unsee the things that I have seen on WhatsApp. Court case still pending, three years later. Luckily (!!!) you are ahead of the game. Speak to the police. Get her into counselling stat, and remember...
this is not your fault.

SmileLady · 29/08/2024 20:00

AdvicePleas · 28/08/2024 01:37

I am sure the original op, who wrote on this last year and myself and other people who are in similar positions have done the obvious - take the phone away!!
in fact this week - she has NO phone, she has managed to steal a work laptop which doesn’t need snap chat to be downloaded, found multiple old phones that we aren’t using.
after these were taken, she sneaked into my room and stole my phone overnight to download and reset Snapchat - but she didn’t manage to put the phone back.
so got caught.

we can’t even get angry anymore - we are away at the moment and are just waiting to get back to start therapy and other things,

one day she was out shopping with me - and I found her taking videos / speaking to a stranger in the toilets of the shops.
I never ever thought I would be in this situation as I have had so many things in place for social media - even down to an app that can monitor which sites they are on and lockdown their use,
bit when you have teenager that is on destructive behaviour - we need to get to the root of that problem

rather than just rules . In a few years we have even less control -I need her to work on understanding why it’s not safe for her.
irs so hard !

I'm so sorry you're going through this. It's horrific. I'm.sure you've already considered this but do you suspect our daughter could have ASD?

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