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Parenting teenagers has its ups and downs. Get advice from Mumsnetters here.

DS almost 18 struggling to be an adult

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MairSss · 28/05/2023 18:43

My son is almost 18 and I’m struggling with him. I suspect he has some sort of ASD but has always refused to attend any appointments or interventions.

When he was early teens he was horrendous to live with and regularly trashed his room if he couldn’t get his own way, was aggressive and violent and refused to attend school. Thankfully that’s in the past and we don’t see any of these behaviours anymore.

Here are the issues

He can’t organise himself at all. He can’t ever find anything and leaves everything to the last minute. This generally results in a huge tantrum and door slamming. I have helped him organise his bedroom and remind him where his work uniform is kept, shoes etc. He forgets to put things back and therefore can never find anything.

He happily agrees to help with chores such as emptying the dishwasher, put laundry away or take the dogs out, but rarely actually does these things as it’s always ‘I’ll do it later’ he doesn’t seem to have any sense of time or time management.

He has absolutely no sense with money despite us encouraging him to save his money. He spends his wages as soon as he gets paid then borrows money until he’s paid next, but he can’t possibly pay back what he’s borrowed because he doesn’t earn much. We have stopped lending him money but he just borrow off others - mainly his Gf.

He struggles with food preparation so I’ve helped him and encouraged him to make simple things like pasta or beans on toast. He just gets all stressed saying he can’t work out timings and therefore can’t do it.

He currently works part time at a fast food restaurant. He leaves it until 10 minutes before his shift to start looking for his work clothes despite me constantly prompting him to get ready. He’s always late despite me driving him to work, I’m surprised he still actually has a job.

He’s failed his theory test 3 times as he’s refused to study for it. I’ve told him I’m not paying for anymore until he can revise properly. He already has a car which we bought from his trust fund, he’s reasonably good at driving but can’t be bothered to take his test. I just don’t understand it as he would have so many opportunities (job wise) if he can drive. We have paid for loads of lessons but stopped a few months.

We’ve talked about his future and I suggested maybe he looks into a vocational college course. He expressed an interest. I’ve had to complete the registration form and book a slot for the open day. He said he couldn’t do that himself.

Despite my efforts and support, he doesn’t seem to be able to demonstrate any kind of responsibility or maturity.

I said you’re almost an adult you need to be able to have life skills, what will you be like when you have your own place? He looked crestfallen and said can’t I just stay here?

I’m torn between trying to support him and encourage independence and just thinking maybe he’s a bit lazy?

His dad and I are both hard workers and far from lazy so it’s not a learned behaviour.

Can anyone advise who has similar circumstances?

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RunningFromInsanity · 28/05/2023 18:44

Sounds like strategic incompetence and you have been spoiling him.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 28/05/2023 18:50

I think we have had the same kid.

watching for tips.

Mine has two siblings with work ethic, ambition and responsibility so I don’t think he’s spoiled so much he can’t adult. I don’t know what it is, but he is exactly the sort of lad who could easily turn into a 40 year old gamer still living in my house

FSCmix · 28/05/2023 19:04

Inattentive ADHD.

MMMarmite · 28/05/2023 19:12

This sounds more like ADHD than ASD to me. Or he could just be still maturing, executive function takes time to fully develop. Either way, tips online for people with ADHD might be helpful for him.

Riverlee · 28/05/2023 19:13
  1. Organisation - stop trying to help,him. Let him make his own mistakes.
  2. Chores - sounds par for the course.
  3. money - I agree, stop lending him money. If his gf wants to lend him money, more fool her. She’ll soon get fed of it (and don’t bail her out, it’s not your job to do so)
  4. Being late - stop giving him lifts, can he use public transport, if he’s late, let him be late, by giving him lifts, you enabling his tardyness
  5. car - you’ve supported him, now it’s up to him
  6. college course - well done on encouraging this. For some, the whole idea of applying, open days etc are daunting, so it’s good you’re supporting him.
  7. cooking - my ds uses Hello Fresh - he chooses a meal and everything is ready weighed out. Not the cheapest option but it takes some of the stress out.
Riverlee · 28/05/2023 19:14

Also, in many ways, he’s still a typical teenager, and they don’t become fully fledged adults on the stroke of midnight on their eighteenth birthday.

Fluffycloudsblusky · 28/05/2023 19:14

There is a book called Smart but Scattered. Does he want to improve? If he does you need to get him at a good moment and talk to him. See if he would work through this book with you. It has strategies and suggestions. He needs to learn ways to make him want to do these boring things. There are gamification apps out there to make these tedious jobs more fun and rewarding.
Also he probably needs a screening assessment - for adhd or asd. And then a full assessment for whoever shows up as more likely. Can you get this privately?
What has helped my son?

  1. Minimizing his stuff - there is less to lose and orgabise
  2. Executive functioning coach - they are expensive but it is helping
  3. Rules to follow with scaffolding from me eg at dinner I remind him to pack his bag for school. He writes him self notes. And the do it now principal when applied really helps - eg the dishwasher he needs to do it now.
  4. Alarms on phone which ping/ring to do jobs.
Boys are afraid to fail so it’s often easier to pretend they don’t Care. But they do. Sometimes they need someone to sit with them while they do the thing - complete the college form. They complete it. You sit there, watch and check it over together It is exhausting and frustrating.
romdowa · 28/05/2023 19:18

Sounds very very like adhd

Runnerduck34 · 28/05/2023 19:47

Possibly ADHD as pp have suggested.
Particularly with his history of behaviour. ASD and ADHD often go hand in hand, has he sought a diagnosis? Be worth discussing it with his GP.
Brain development stops at 23/24 until that age executive functioning ( organisation, planning, risk/ consequences etc) is much harder to do.
If hes neurodiverse it will take even longer.
At least he has a job so celebrate that. But i think all you can do is continue to support and go with him to GPs to seek referral for assessment, the link below is worth looking at under nhs right to choose
psychiatry-uk.com/right-to-choose/

MairSss · 28/05/2023 20:03

Thanks everyone for the responses. I know I should be leaving him to it to an extent but it’s so hard knowing he’s not making sensible decisions, eg if I wasn’t prompting him to get ready and take him to work he’d simply lose his job.

in the past if we’ve backed off and left him to it, it just causes more problems and chaos, but maybe this is what’s needed.

Im not sure if he genuinely doesn’t get it or just doesn’t care, he’s very blasé about everything.

There’s no sense of urgency with anything, when I try and introduce structure or any kind of plan he refuses to follow it as he can’t deal with being told what to do (in his mind) and digs his heels in. This is probably why he refused to go to school.

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OhcantthInkofaname · 28/05/2023 20:04

Give him a deadline to move out! You can't mother him forever. He doesn't learn because he knows you will sort it for him. Quit driving him to work. Don't do his laundry.

audweb · 28/05/2023 20:07

ADHD.

I’m in my forties and waiting for an assessment.

my house is generally a mess, I’m terrible with food prep and organisation, I’m terrible with money, I put everything off.

I’m a woman, I masked a lot when I was younger but it falls apart on a regular basis.

worth getting him checked out.

also my parents never spoiled me, and my mum is the most organised tidy on top of things person in the world. It made no difference to me.

AttilaThePun · 28/05/2023 20:14

Sounds very like my ds. He has ASD and suspected ADHD. Sounds like me too! Nearly 50 and still chaotic, forgetful and very messy!
Executive functioning is a bugger to sort out of you naturally struggle with it.
What’s helped with ds is, to a certain point letting him get on with things. Prompt the night before work to get things ready, ds used to have a laminated list of stuff he had to do, and had a small reward when it was completed - he was much younger when we did this but it helped to set some routines in stone.

With true adulty stuff like ringing the dr or filling forms in I help, but refuse to do it alone - he’d love it if I took over, but as he's 18 I explain that I’m not allowed to do it for him, and that he either has some input or it doesn’t happen.

It’s going to take time, and he’s going to need some motivation to do it before it’ll work, but it’s most definitely not poor parenting or him being spoilt. Any posters suggesting this don’t have a clue!

lavenderlou · 28/05/2023 20:20

Gosh, MN is very hard on teenagers. I don't think there is anything wrong with helping your 17 year old son out. In this case, it very much sounds like he has additional needs and will require some support.

WheelsUp · 28/05/2023 20:36

Sounds like my ADHD son but he accepts his limitations and will ask for help and he doesn't kick off.

If he won't accept support like a suggestion that he sets an alarm for 30 mins before work starts or washing dirty uniform immediately then you should let him lose his job. He's 17 and it's not the end of the world if he has to find another job or is forced to spend a few weeks broke because he doesn't have a job. Did you find and apply for his job?

My son would have filled in the college application at the last possible moment but would probably need reminding until the deadline. I'm the total opposite and would have filled it in as soon as possible so I need to bite my tongue as long as he submits it before the deadline and doesn't lose out.

It's been a struggle helping him towards possible living at uni so I've tried to prioritise stuff that will make things easier for him. For example it took until age 15 to understand that if you want to wear a certain item of clothing tomorrow then it needs to be washed the night before but it stops the panic the next day when he remembers that his favourite garment has a food stain on it.

2bazookas · 28/05/2023 20:40

Stop organising his clothes, money, life, taking him to work. It's making you feel better but it's really not helping him grow up.

If he loses his job he'll have no money and won't be able to take the GF out. If he doesn't wash/manage his clothes he'll stink and have nothing to wear. If he breaks something in his room, don't replace it. Just let him learn about consequences, and cause and effect

BTW if he works in a fast food restaurant he certaily knows how to make basics like beans on toast. You've been suckered.

The answer to "can't I stay here? " Is "Only if you help us run the household. I'm not going to baby you all your life."

kingtamponthefurred · 28/05/2023 20:48

It is hard but maybe you need to step back and let him fail at something (lose his job, lose his girlfriend, run out of money). He is not taking this stuff seriously because there have not been any significant consequences so far.

Thehouseofmarvels · 28/05/2023 20:49

I have ADHD and this sounds like ADHD.

wheresmymojo · 28/05/2023 21:16

This sounds like ADHD to me (I have ADHD)

MairSss · 28/05/2023 22:05

He refuses to see and doctors or engage in any kind of interventions otherwise I would certainly be pursuing that avenue. He doesn’t believe there’s anything ‘wrong with him’ (his words) he thinks the problem lies with everyone else.

One of the reasons I am reluctant to sit back and let him make his own poor choices is I’m not convinced he will actually learn from mistakes or understand consequences. Many times we have not intervened such as not finding his work clothes for him he just turned up to work in his normal clothes (obviously was told off in work) but it didn’t motivate him to find them the next time. Or if I refused to do his laundry he just kept wearing the same clothes - he didn’t actually do any laundry.

When he was about 15 he smashed his TV up, we obviously refused to replace it thinking it would motivate him to behave better but he just kept smashing up other things - again consequences were not appearing to be something he was realising or cared about.

He never responded to any kind of punishment when he was a younger child, things like stopping his pocket money or grounding him, he’d just borrow money off his friends and escape out of his bedroom window at night.

As I said these behaviours thankfully are behind us and he is a far more pleasant individual now, but maybe looking at strategies to improve areas he’s clearly struggling with is more effective.

Maybe posters who have ADHD can advise whether a more hands off approach is better for someone his age? Anyone share their experiences as a teenager and share whether their parents reactions were either helpful or unhelpful?

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UsingChangeofName · 28/05/2023 22:34

MMMarmite · 28/05/2023 19:12

This sounds more like ADHD than ASD to me. Or he could just be still maturing, executive function takes time to fully develop. Either way, tips online for people with ADHD might be helpful for him.

This.

Get him to look on tik tok for ADHD stuff.
Honestly, once he starts looking, the algorithms will draw more into his feed, and hopefully at some point he will understand it doesn't mean there is "anything wrong with him" It means his brain may be wired differently from yours, and that is okay, but acknowledging it might help him improve his executive functioning.

BackAgainstWall · 28/05/2023 22:46

@MairSss
Watching with interest.

I could have written everything you’ve posted word for word. Boy it can be so hard and really wear you down.

My DS is a year younger than yours and we are trying the more hands-off approach.

I would also be very keen to hear from people with ADHD, what can parents do to help their teenagers.

BackAgainstWall · 28/05/2023 22:48

@MMMarmite
That’s really good advice about TikTok

3luckystars · 28/05/2023 22:49

Bring him for an ADHD assessment and get medication for him if he has it.

bribe him to go. Good luck.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 29/05/2023 04:48

How go you know which tok tok people are good though? What if he gets misinformation? My son would fixate on what he wants to hear rather than the hard truth. ( it’s not your fault, you are special and need help v you need to find a way to do it anyway)