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Teenagers

Parenting teenagers has its ups and downs. Get advice from Mumsnetters here.

Wish I'd never had children

62 replies

MaybeWednesday · 12/05/2023 10:55

Just so so sad.

I have 2 teenagers and an older kid (32). 2 different dads.

Middle kid (19) home from uni for a week. Not seem them since I picked them up. 8 hours round trip drive for me.

Youngest (17) utterly fucking vile.

Eldest living their best life, no kids. Second home in the sun. Couple of houses. Doing amazing. Financially secure. Left uni no debt as I paid for it.

I'm a single mother and have done without so they have a good life, own cars, holidays etc.

Struggle every day for money.

I'm no walkover, they've been expected to help around the house since they were little. Taking it in turns to cook dinner etc.

What have I got to show for it? 3 kids I'm incredibly proud of.

But that's it. When youngest leaves, I'm selling up and going to live my best life. I'll be early 60's and feel I've just been a slave to a bunch of ungrateful brats for over 30 years.

What was the point of it all?

OP posts:
tolerable · 12/05/2023 14:24

what was the point of your post?
As soon as you called your youngest uttterly vile...nobody cares. i expect.... im not saying they arent. but with zero to support that you put yourself in firing line bout apples \trees...reap \sow

as for going without. providing for them...
which part of thats often in line with parenting did you miss.??NONE of them asked to be born.NONE of them came with any kinda financial sponsorship,/dowry or any other sorta guarantee ..you dont sound incredibly proud. you sound bitter.
and thats on you not them.
maybe you having an off day.if not pretty sure youve invited character assanation so you need thick skin...at the very least.
would hate to kick anyone when down.age 17 /18\ 32...i would have thought 60 was old- instead of mumpin bougt everything that you cant change...why not count your blessings.and start making plans for the best life adventures....being a miserable dick never changed anything donchuknow ffs

GeriKellmansUpdo · 12/05/2023 14:28

Was that post written by ChatGPT?

Teenagers can be vile. If you can't say it on an anon forum, where can you?

MsWhitworth · 12/05/2023 14:30

It sounds like you’ve raised three intelligent, happy kids who are going out in the world to live their lives with confidence. That’s the point of it all, that’s what we’re all aiming for as parents.

What is it you want from them that you’re not getting?

Dangeliss · 12/05/2023 14:42

thecatsmeows · 12/05/2023 13:58

Is that you, Mum?

Seriously, my mother could have posted this. Sounds like you now expect some sort of 'reward' for having bought your children up...it all sounds very transactional. But the thing is - your children didn't agree to this arrangement, they had no say in you bringing them into the world. That was your decision alone. Now they are getting older, you are feeling 'hard done by', your investment isn't giving you the return you were expecting...

As the child on the end of this, it's horrible having a very bitter mother who makes it pretty clear she regrets having us. It makes me want to spend less time with her - in the end I'm not responsible for her happiness.

I came here to say exactly this.

My mother, like many people in her generation was brought up to be a martyr. To her, parenthood was an identity she was buying into - and a big cross to nail herself to for eighteen years.

OP, in ideal world of your making, what would your kids have to do to repay what you assume they owe you?

YourMommaWasASnowblower · 12/05/2023 14:44

Being a parent is a thankless job. I think many people go into parenthood thinking it will be different for them, that they will have good/better relationships with their children to the ones they have with their own parents etc. and society puts quite a lot of pressure on women to have children. A big part of parenting is losing yourself to your children when you have no support. Often you find out you have no support too late. I understand where you are coming from.
However, your children are all grown up enough now. You can live your best life now, don’t wait for them all to leave home and be in your 60s. Your DC need to learn to stand on their own 2 feet, they are all adults really. Do less for them and more for yourself now.

Dangeliss · 12/05/2023 14:44

I meen, jeez louize, if I found out my mother was online complaining that I wasn't making my life all about her at the age of thirty-fricking-two, I'd think twice before answering her calls too.

honeylulu · 12/05/2023 14:50

They sound OK to me. I just wonder what your expectations of motherhood were/are. Like some of the other posters on this thread i had a mother who seemed/seems to expect boundless adoration and gratitude for performing her motherly duties and "sacrificing" what else she could have done with her life. When we were teenagers she'd sigh a lot and say if she had her time again she wouldn't have had children. I did once ask why she had and what she'd expected. It didn't go down well! I think we were supposed to be like pussycats, purring around her legs happy to be fed. The thing is I am grateful and respectful and I have expressed that, but it's just never enough. I have disappointed her perpetually.

BackAgainstWall · 12/05/2023 14:58

@thecatsmeows
I’m guessing you are a teenager?

Wait until one day you have teenagers and then and only then will you understand.

Goldbar · 12/05/2023 15:07

Parenting is a big ask. I wouldn't say it's thankless, but the rewards are fleeting and intangible compared to the very constant and concrete sacrifices required. I don't regret having children myself, but I can see why women are increasingly opting out.

thecatsmeows · 12/05/2023 15:07

@BackAgainstWall Patronising, much?

I'm 55 and decided at age 10 (thanks to having a narcissistic mother and a father who never wanted children in the first place) that I wouldn't be having children. I've had two terminations to make sure. Never regretted it for even a second.

My two brothers haven't gone on to have children, either. My older brother has told his wife he has no happy memories of childhood. My mother lost any right to my time/company when she told me (on numerous occasions, the last being 6 months ago) that she blamed me for my getting married and making my father 'feel old' for him leaving her for another woman when I was in my 20s....even though he'd been unfaithful all of their marriage. Out of the 3 of us, I'm the only one of her children that still contacts her on a regular basis, sends presents/money etc.

@Dangeliss Ditto to your first post.

MyStarBoy · 12/05/2023 15:25

To those posters copping onto parenting not being transactional.

You're absolutely right it isn't transactional, but surely to God an occasional smile, a few manners thrown in, a bit of unselfishness and tiny bit of recognition of what we do for our teens wouldn't go a miss on the odd occasion, no?

No silly me, it's totally a one way street isn't it.

thecatsmeows · 12/05/2023 15:31

@MyStarBoy If you are expecting that from teens most of the time, then yes.

From what I read on here most teens sound bloody awful 99.9% of the time.

MammaTo · 12/05/2023 15:36

Can I ask what you seen yourself doing/being like at this age? What type of relationship did you expect from your kids?

determinedtomakethiswork · 12/05/2023 15:40

titchy · 12/05/2023 13:39

Why on earth did you do an 8 hour round trip to pick up for a weeks break? One of mine is an hour away - no chance am I picking up unless it's the end of year house move! And again why fully fund uni to the detriment of your own life, pension etc?

I know you said you're not a walkover but it looks like you are...

At the end of term, they have to bring home absolutely everything that they have. They can't do that on the coach or train.

Saysageandlash · 12/05/2023 15:45

Op - I hear you - you are going through a particular parenting phase atm and it will pass - I am just coming out the other side of it. It does get better I promise.

You’ve facilitated your dcs lives for so long that you feel exhausted and hollow. It’s often the most overly conscientious parents who feel this way, or parents who are lacking in self esteem, or who weren’t taught about good boundary setting as a child, so try not to take the negative posts on here too personally.

Its really hard to appreciate how difficult raising teens can be until you have actually done it yourself! You may be lucky and adolescence will fly by without any disputes. But all teens and parents are different and for some it can be a very rocky time for both.

It IS hurtful to have put everything in to raising your dc and to just get ignored or nasty comments in return. It can feel so demoralising to be criticised negatively every day when everything you do is focused on making your DCs lives better.

Sorry but some teenagers can go through a really vile phase and it’s not talked about enough. It’s not their fault. It’s awful for them too. Their brains are going through massive plasticity which means they can’t always understand how vile they are being.

Its often when they are being vile that they need the most love! They don’t make it easy though!

This spikiness is a protective mechanism to keep them focused on themselves while they are going through new ‘dangerous’ explorations in the world around them. And to treat others with scepticism and to think everyone is against them and that every request is a potential threat. It keeps them
safe. That’s not to say that it’s not hellish to live with at times!

The good news is that the pre frontal cortex and the limbic system become joined up and fully formed at 25 years approximately, so your youngest dc will be easier to live with then!

At this stage in their life though they don’t need hands on parenting, they need a good role model! However disengaged they seem, they will be picking up on your negativity and unhappiness when they need someone who is cheerful and independent.

So step back from the hands on parenting op. Cook healthy food and leave it in the fridge for them to find. Check on homework progress for the one still doing exams. Apart from that, carry on asking them to clean and do laundry, and run errands.

Most importantly though, get to your gp. Ask for HRT or ads whichever you think more appropriate (it’s hard to tell sometimes). Sometimes you have to test them to see which works! Or take both!

And get some support for yourself. An older women therapist who has had a family. You’ve done a good job to raise your dc to have wings! But it’s your turn now to start focussing on your own happiness. No one is going to give you permission to start NOW! It’s the very best thing you can do for your dc too!

This too shall pass op! Good luck 💐

GeriKellmansUpdo · 12/05/2023 15:58

What a thoughtful post @Saysageandlash. Op is clearly exhausted. And who wouldn't be, after parenting 3 kids alone.

Manichean · 12/05/2023 16:02

My DC was vile at 17, now a happy successful professional who loves and respects me.

Starintheshow · 12/05/2023 16:37

I think I know where you're coming from op.

Teenagers are bloomin hard work. I often think, when my 15yo is scowling at me because I've asked him to do a tiny job around the house, is this the reward I get for all the years of parenting I've put in.

The truth is they're not ours to keep forever, we have to raise and nurture them and then let them go into the world. Hopefully we've done a good job and they'll be decent functioning adult people and we'll maintain a good relationship with them.

It's important I believe to keep a sense of self and purpose beyond just being someone's mum.

Charley50 · 12/05/2023 16:42

Maybe your eldest could treat you occasionally, as you paid for their uni? Or just help you out a bit financially if you are really struggling. Are you close to them, emotionally if not physically?

I'm a single parent and enjoying the freedom I have now that DC are young adults. I don't expect any gratitude but I do worry that they will grow very distant from me.

Fififizz · 12/05/2023 16:50

@Starintheshow

‘It's important I believe to keep a sense of self and purpose beyond just being someone's mum.’

I think you’re spot on with this comment but it can be difficult to do this, especially if you haven’t got much support. I suppose that’s why many young women now are thinking about not having any children.

Jackienory · 12/05/2023 16:56

That's why I/we hired a nanny and I went back to work after 12 weeks to pursue my medical career. Yes I love them but they aren't the reason I get out of bed and they don't "complete me". They're kids ( teens ) and they'll grow up and leave home. Having a family has been fun ( mostly ) but there's more to me than that.

tothelefttotheleft · 12/05/2023 17:07

titchy · 12/05/2023 13:39

Why on earth did you do an 8 hour round trip to pick up for a weeks break? One of mine is an hour away - no chance am I picking up unless it's the end of year house move! And again why fully fund uni to the detriment of your own life, pension etc?

I know you said you're not a walkover but it looks like you are...

Also why did you not let your eldest get the student loans if you are financially struggling?

MaybeWednesday · 12/05/2023 17:08

MsWhitworth · 12/05/2023 14:30

It sounds like you’ve raised three intelligent, happy kids who are going out in the world to live their lives with confidence. That’s the point of it all, that’s what we’re all aiming for as parents.

What is it you want from them that you’re not getting?

Yes you've hit the nail on the head! They are happy, confident and good kids!

Yes I'm post-menopausal and yes I'm probably a bit bitter, that I'm so fucking skint and my eldest can't even take me out to lunch. Not that I ask.

Obviously on a public forum, people change details. There was a reason I did the long drive, they had an award event thing where they are working/studying.

Like most parents I spent my life taxi driving them around. They can all drive now, so I've got my evenings to myself and believe me I'm making the most of it.

I've always worked full time and even went back to work when middle one was 6 weeks old. Wasn't a single parent then.

Anyway a PP asked why I was posting. Well it's the Teenagers thread and unless you've got one you don't know how fucking hard they are to live with!

Realised forgot my HRT last night, so maybe that didn't help my mood this morning.

And can I say "vile" youngest has literally just walked in from college with a huge bar of chocolate and said "Here mummy have this, sorry for being vile"

Sigh ..... the daily rollercoaster life of living with teenagers!

Thanks for listening ya vipers and the helpful posters!

OP posts:
MaybeWednesday · 12/05/2023 17:10

MyStarBoy · 12/05/2023 15:25

To those posters copping onto parenting not being transactional.

You're absolutely right it isn't transactional, but surely to God an occasional smile, a few manners thrown in, a bit of unselfishness and tiny bit of recognition of what we do for our teens wouldn't go a miss on the odd occasion, no?

No silly me, it's totally a one way street isn't it.

Haha I love you! Exactly this!

OP posts:
LindorDoubleChoc · 12/05/2023 17:10

Can't believe the cuntyness of some posters on this thread, and it isn't even AIBU! Mumsnet really IS going to the dogs.

Parenting teens can feel like an utter slog and wholly unrewarding OP. I am sure they will grow out of it and will hopefully be productive and successful like your eldest one day!

Meanwhile, your plans for prioritising yourself when you retire sound great. And having "3 kids I'm incredibly proud of" is really quite wonderful in itself you know.

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