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19 Year Old F Bombed Dad

36 replies

jimjam2313w · 25/04/2023 17:15

Im a 55 year old dad. I grew up with violence and my dad would often hit us when he was frustrated / we did something "wrong". I've always tried not to allow anger and violence into the household. I've never hit my now 19 year old son. I've lost my temper a few times, and always spoken to him about it afterwards.

He's always been pretty good. Maybe we just want to see him that way. His mum is disabled and suffers from chronic pain, depression and agoraphobia. She sleeps most of the time.

I guess, emotionally, he has had a lot to deal with. I was very close to him until recently and we could always talk one to one and man to man pretty ok, I thought.

He left school without wanting to further his education, so I told him he had to pay digs. He seems ok with that and pays his digs. We have to chase him but he pays. I just didn't want him becoming unemployed, even though he wanted to take "a gap year" and just basically do nothing.

Anyway, recently he has become more and more non communicative, He spends all of his time with his girlfriend (I'm cool with that, of course. That's what I would expect) but I felt sad when he bailed on a concert we had booked months previously.

Anyway, the point of this thread. He is supposed to be responsible for the recycles. He used to help with gardening and cleaning the car. He wouldn't do it consistently so I took over. Yeah I know thats probably a mistake. So the recycles are his responsibility.

We chase him every time.

Anyway, we warned him that if the recycles weren't done he would be woken up first thing in the morning and asked to do them. I told my wife this was going to cause problems with he and I (because he has been back talking and disrespecting my parental authority for a long time) but she said that was what we were going to do. She had woken him a few times and he had rushed to do it (grumpily).

So on this now fateful day I woke him to do the recycles and he started telling snapping at me about how he had to work (at 6pm that evening). I told him "Don't speak to me like that." and he F bombed me.

I was so upset I told him to get out of my sight.

My wife and I discussed this and came to the conclusion that we should tell our son that if he speaks to me like that again he will be asked to find somewhere else to live. Wow, typing that out makes me sound *** terrible! Anyway, I thought that if he stays here F bombing me and disrespecting the house and just acting like he runs the place then it's worse for him than being asked to leave.

So we told him that, calmly.

A follow up family meeting was scheduled for yesterday. He ran out of the house . I said "We arranged a family meeting!" and he just said "I'm busy, sorry." and drove off.

I felt so weak and stupid that I couldn't look at him when he eventually came home. Today he left the house without a word. We were going to speak to him about everything and tell him that we want to support him, that we dont want him to go, etc etc, but he just doesn't seem to care.

Any thoughts? I sound like a weak guy. I probably am. I just don't want to let anger and frustration determine what happens next. His mother is so upset and all over the place that it is taking an incredible amount of restraint for me to not just lose it, but I am hanging in there.

OP posts:
Wishitsnows · 25/04/2023 17:23

Just give him a bloody break. Sounds like you pester him far too much whether it’s from a good place or not.

Stettafire · 25/04/2023 17:25

To be honest I don't think this is particularly unusual or alarming.
Also I dare say 19 is an adult not a teen, maybe give them some room OP?

jimjam2313w · 25/04/2023 17:27

Ok thanks.

OP posts:
YouNeverSeeTheRealMe · 25/04/2023 17:27

Christ, you're so rigid. You sound very strict, and frankly, quite ridiculous. "because he has been back talking and disrespecting my parental authority for a long time". If you're not careful, he'll leave, move in with his girlfriend and you won't see him at all.

AncientofMooMoo · 25/04/2023 17:29

I also grew up in a violent so no hitting here at all. Your life sounds quite tough as I assume you do most things as your wife is unwell. As children grow they start to pull away I’m a couple of years ahead and it is hard but we do have to let go.

You do not ask much of him chores wise just the recycling I assume does he do anything else? His own washing at least?

Whatever you do don’t lose it as it will escalate. Is your wife under any kind of treatment plan?

LynetteScavo · 25/04/2023 17:29

So your 19yo swore at you when you woke him to put the recycling out. And you told him if he swears at you again you'll throw him out. OK....

Tell him to not be rude and to set an alarm for the recycling. And remind him again. And probably again Grin I think you need to read up on teenagers. I know he's an older teen , but it'll still be relevant. He's trying to pull away from you, which is why he didn't want to go to the concert.

A family meeting because he swore sounds a bit intense. I'd run off too.

LynetteScavo · 25/04/2023 17:31

Actually I'd probably tell DH to fuck off if he woke me up to put out the recycling and I was on a late shift.

Nightlystroll · 25/04/2023 17:31

Also I dare say 19 is an adult not a teen, maybe give them some room OP?

If he's an adult, he should behave like one and do the one and only job he's been given. He's already stopped doing the gardening and the cars. He's an entitled, lazy arse who is getting a very easy ride in life.

Nightlystroll · 25/04/2023 17:33

LynetteScavo · 25/04/2023 17:31

Actually I'd probably tell DH to fuck off if he woke me up to put out the recycling and I was on a late shift.

It's not like he doesn't know when the recycling bin is being emptied so if he doesn't want to do it in the morning, he should do it before he goes to bed.

YomAsalYomBasal · 25/04/2023 17:35

YABU for calling it "the recycles"
Teenagers are disrespectful, it's part of how they become independent. You sound quite harsh.

LilyJessie · 25/04/2023 17:37

Just wanted to say, seems like people have pretty unkind to you here.

You're not a weak man. You've grown up under domestic violence and broken a family cycle... I think that's pretty remarkable. He might not realise it now, but one day when he has children of his own, he will realise what you had to go through when you were little and realise how great you are for choosing not to follow in those footsteps and teach him how to parent without violence.

Give yourself a break. Sounds like the difficulties your wife faces and the pressure you must be under are hard enough to cope with... Besides... He is an adult now and try and frame it like... The f bomb is just a word. Think if it like, if he has only done it once, I would say you've done a pretty great job.

Seems like he is getting ready the fledge the nest... And if you've always been close, that bond never breaks. He will always come back to dad.

LynetteScavo · 25/04/2023 17:40

Then he needs reminding before he goes to bed, not in the morning. Id just text him to remind him. Then I wouldn't hear the swearing or see the middle finger.

pjani · 25/04/2023 17:40

I’m quite surprised by these answers. I thought your response was pretty sensible to be honest. Who wants to enable their adult, working child to live at home but not share household responsibilities and swear at them?

Although I would say that I wouldn’t handle being woken for this well at all - not a morning person.

I wonder if you could calm things down and have a conversation with him where you are just curious. What is going on for him? It seems like he wants more independence, does he see himself moving out? Why does he think he got so angry? And be curious - you’re not sure the arrangement where he lives and contributes is still working, what does he think? If he does want to stay, how can he fairly contribute? What should happen if he stops? If he does want to move, does he want help to set himself up?

In my generation (ha! old millennial here) a working 19 year old would be moving out. It’s a good thing to encourage independence in my book. But the conversation should be loving.

Shoelacesundone · 25/04/2023 17:40

It's a word, not a bomb.

You sound quite wound up.

I think you'd Iike a better relationship with your son but honestly focusing on a single use of one word is not the way to do it.

I'm sorry he bailed on the concert a better thing to do mightvbe to find a calm time to say you were really looking forward to going with him as a time for you two to spend time together and suggest something else you guys could both do.

Ukholidaysaregreat · 25/04/2023 17:43

I don't think it's possible for a 19 Yr old to drop an F bomb on their parents. If a 5 Yr old said it then I can see why you would be upset and horrified. I think you both need to calm down a bit but I also think you a right that he can manage the recycling and putting the bins out. Good that he has a job and yes he should contribute some money to the household. Maybe try talking to him whilst driving some where to get your relationship back on track.

Luckingfovely · 25/04/2023 17:44

Good grief. It's just a word. This is how you spell it: fuck.

If that's the first time you've ever heard it I do pity your poor little ears and eyes.

You know he's an adult, right?

Are you part of some weird cult and not actually part of normal society at all? I can't think of any other explanation for this madness.

CeciNestPasUnPipi · 25/04/2023 17:45

@jimjam2313w - I think you've done incredibly well to escape the violence you grew up with. I wonder if it has meant that you are a little more vigilant than many people; a little more exacting. Perhaps your son is trying to find his feet, and himself, and is rebelling against this.

So you're both two people, who obviously love each other, but are pulling against each other right now. He needs to break free; you want him to learn more responsibility.

But the harder you come down, the more he'll back away from you. I don't for one minute excuse his behaviour towards you, particularly his language, but maybe stepping back and looking at the bigger picture may help. What do you want for him? What do you want from him? Is he essentially a good person? Is he essentially kind?

Maybe you're doing better than you think with him, but perhaps it's also time to let go more.

DancingWithTheMoonlitKnight · 25/04/2023 17:45

What does he have to do everyday to the 'recycles' ? we just chuck them in a recycling bag. No big drama.

Anyway you sound far too strict. I'd leave if I was him.

CeciNestPasUnPipi · 25/04/2023 17:46

Luckingfovely · 25/04/2023 17:44

Good grief. It's just a word. This is how you spell it: fuck.

If that's the first time you've ever heard it I do pity your poor little ears and eyes.

You know he's an adult, right?

Are you part of some weird cult and not actually part of normal society at all? I can't think of any other explanation for this madness.

I think that's about as unforgiving to the OP as you think he was to his son.

DancingWithTheMoonlitKnight · 25/04/2023 17:46

Oh and you can say fuck on MN.

QuickGuide · 25/04/2023 17:47

I have sons 19 & 22.

At various times they have both been responsible for bins and they always need reminding. Occasionally they're forgotten and TBH I do them myself. If he's not working until 6pm, presumably he's to bedlate/early hours?

TBH I've always found it's easier not to have regular chores but to expect them to contribute to the house when asked. E.g they'll clean the bathroom, mow the lawn, go to the supermarket when asked without complaint and I find that's better for me than getting frustrated at having to "nag" for regular tasks.

Personally I have found this transition from children to adults the hardest part of parenting so far, so you have my sympathy.

I don't think swearing when woken up because someone is cross with you is something to make a big deal of though. Pick your battles

jannier · 25/04/2023 17:50

Please tell me he does more than the recycling once a week.....who does his washing, bed making, cooking?

Paramummy3 · 25/04/2023 17:52

You sound like a great father

i think the issue here is that if he doesn’t sort the recycling then there is no consequence to him.

Maybe you could change things round so he has responsibility for the things that directly affect him if they’re not done- examples his washing and ironing, his own shopping, cleaning his room or area of the house. If you have separate bathrooms he could be responsible for cleaning his and you the one your wife and you use.

just an idea

LynetteScavo · 25/04/2023 17:53

QuickGuide · 25/04/2023 17:47

I have sons 19 & 22.

At various times they have both been responsible for bins and they always need reminding. Occasionally they're forgotten and TBH I do them myself. If he's not working until 6pm, presumably he's to bedlate/early hours?

TBH I've always found it's easier not to have regular chores but to expect them to contribute to the house when asked. E.g they'll clean the bathroom, mow the lawn, go to the supermarket when asked without complaint and I find that's better for me than getting frustrated at having to "nag" for regular tasks.

Personally I have found this transition from children to adults the hardest part of parenting so far, so you have my sympathy.

I don't think swearing when woken up because someone is cross with you is something to make a big deal of though. Pick your battles

I totally agree with this (My DSs are a similar age)

Cantthinkofaname2203 · 25/04/2023 17:53

I think you’ve done an amazing job breaking the cycle of domestic violence.

however your home set up still sounds difficult. A mum that is disabled and sleeps all the time? That doesn’t sound easy.

it is possible that by making such an effort to keep “anger and violence” out of your home you’ve suppressed his ability to express when he does feel anger or frustration. It is normal, it’s how you deal with it.

fwiw I have a 19 year old and swearing is fairly normal in our house. As long as it’s not directed at someone, but it’s ok to be upset and say stuff like “my boss is a fucking wanker” when having a rant about the days frustrations.

it’s not an “f bomb”. It’s a word.

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