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Grumpy/Hormonal DD14 vs Menopausal mother 50

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TeaandLemonDrizzle · 18/03/2023 15:30

Arrggh!

I want to jump out of this ship! What happened to my delightful, sweet little girl? She is 14, soon to be 15. I have been going through the menopause for a few years and had it tough (no HRT either with an unsympathetic GP who said I was too young when my periods abruptly stopped).

DD has gradually gone from the lovely primary aged girl to the current year 10 ‘she devil’ and it’s awful to live with. I am also going through a divorce (a wake up call through menopause that caused me to instigate a split) with stressful letters to and throw. I have also lot both siblings in the last 18 months, one to suicide. No parents alive. Eldest child lives with both of us but is off to university in September - currently on a gap year. He could be moody but it didn’t last long and he a nice lad these days. Seems to have really matured (19).

DD lives in her room all the time apart from going to school. She doesn’t speak and grunts if you dare look at her. She spends all day on her phone. I knew she was talking to a boy from school and her head of year told me she had a gentleman friend (this boy). If I take her out all she wants to do is spend my money. She won’t go anywhere else apart from shops and I actually hate shopping now with being menopausal. All I want to do is go to the countryside and sit quietly drinking tea. We are polar opposites. When I do take her out shopping she doesn’t speak to me all day. Even when we have stopped for lunch somewhere. It’s awful. I spend all evening after work alone on the sofa. My job is stressful (senior manager) so I spent all day sorting out shi* and listening to moans from staff. So, my life is pretty awful right now. I dread being on leave with her and weekends are no fun. Her dad doesn’t have her much but, apparently, she is the same with him. She doesn’t lose her temper or shout but she is just very solemn and grumpy. She looks down her nose at me even though I’m in a good job and a postgrad!!

I’ve had enough. I need to get some time back for me. I give her £50 a month pocket money plus £47 a month for her iphone 14 (I have an iPhone 8 ffs). Her dad gives her £50 a month pocket money. She spends it instantly so asks for more throughout the month. What do you guys do about pocket money? I didn’t get any at her age and did a paper round and had a little babysitting business on the go. My mum just couldn’t afford it. DD has also started going into town on a Saturday afternoon to meet her friend. I am delighted!! But, she uses me as a taxi and it’s driving me mental plus stops me going anywhere. I pay £100 a month for her school bus pass (private bus company). I’m thinking of getting her a bus pass for the local buses (£25 a month) as she can get to school on those (with a 20 minute walk) plus use it all day everyday. Her school one she can’t.

Do you think I’d be better giving her, say, £15 a week pocket money a week if her dad gives her £50 a month still? So she has money to go into town? The cinema is £5, swimming £3. Not sure if this is the best thing or not.

I can’t remember being like this with my mum and I know she used to visit her mum on a Saturday (I stopped going so much once I hit secondary school age). I also spent more time out and about with friends than DD does but then I grew up pre-mobile phones.

Any advice? Does it get easier? Will she snap out of it?

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Smothereandannoyed · 19/03/2023 15:38

I don't really have an answer but I'm gobsmacked at the amount of pocket money she gets, £100 a month! And then asks for more!
I think you and her dad need to be a bit tougher with her . Does she do anything to earn this pocket money, such as chores?

Fudgewomble · 19/03/2023 15:41

That’s a massive amount of pocket money. Ours gets £10/week, same age - but I suppose I do fund specific outings or special items of clothing (but he has to front up part of the cost). Sounds miserable though, I’m sorry.

Aquamarine1029 · 19/03/2023 15:51

I think you need to give the little princess a serious talking to. The blatant disrespect she shows you should be absolutely unacceptable, yet you're basically rewarding her by giving her whatever she wants.

I would tell her you understand how she can feel moody, and you know dealing with life can be a struggle, but taking it out on you stops right now. I can't even believe you take this brat shopping and to lunch and she won't even acknowledge you. You're allowing her to treat you like a doormat.

If I were you, the money, taxi service, and any other treats would come to a quick stop until she improves her behaviour towards you.

Runningonempty01 · 19/03/2023 15:58

Money once a week is better, only gets it if she does chores . No more expensive phones. Once this one is paid off, giff gaff sim is £10 a month. Having the latest phone is a privilege that she needs to earn. It's interesting how kids attitude to money alters when they start to earn it rather than just get it . Unfortunately she is on the young side for part time work but my daughter was baby sitting at that age.

TeaandLemonDrizzle · 19/03/2023 19:56

I know she gets too much. She is ungrateful. It’s Mother’s Day and I didn’t get a card from her - just a very small plant thing from Sainsbury’s. I have a birthday coming up too so it’ll be interesting to see if she gets me anything!

No chores out of her either!

I think the situation worsened when my marriage broke down. She used to get £50 a month but I carried on giving her that after her dad left and he went and matched it so she got double.

Her brother has just told me her dad gave her money for the Mother’s Day thing!

I took her out today and she wouldn’t leave the car as I hadn’t gone where she wanted!!

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crackofdoom · 19/03/2023 20:03

Blimey, you're a very nice menopausal mum!

DS (13) had some friends over yesterday, they were messing around on their bikes outside in the street, and I went and told them they couldn't do something they were doing, because it would aggravate the neighbours. DS was so rude and argumentative with me in front of his friends I made him go inside and phoned their parents to come and pick them up early.

(and spent the rest of the day agonising over what an evil, premenstrual, menopausal bitch I had been. In fact, I think DS got over it quicker than I did!)

LaviniasBigBloomers · 19/03/2023 20:04

I think you're absolutely in the thick of it - the puberty/menopause thing always convinces me God was a man. It's horrendous to have so many hormones flying around the house.

But I also think you need to take control.

She needs to be pulling her weight around the house, not in a chores = pocket money way, but in a 'you live here too and you need to contribute'.

If you feel it would be helpful for her to get her pocket money weekly then do that, but don't increase it FGS.

And DON'T take her places if she's going to treat you like shit. Why would you? She needs some natural consequences for her actions. But equally, you need to get a bit of your own life back. Find something you want to do, in or out of the home, and do it. You're a bit 'stuck' and that needs to change. Find an outlet that's just for yourself.

Aquamarine1029 · 19/03/2023 20:11

Sorry, you're being FAR too soft on her. As a pp said, she needs to learn sharpish that there are consequences for being such a twat. She absolutely should be pulling her weight around the house, she's 13, not three. You're not doing her any favours by letting her get away with this nonsense.

SummerSazz · 19/03/2023 20:17

DD14 gets about £25 a month plus her phone and ex-H and I pay for her climbing fees.

If she wants to go into town she usually gets a bus or I'll drop her off if it's convenient to do so

She cooks 1-2 nights a week, empties the dishwasher or washing machine if asked. Will feed/walk the dog if asked.

If there are any moans then the taxi to climbing or other places stops immediately

My approach (as a single parent) is that she is a fully functioning member of the family (with DD16 who has similar expectations put on her) and needs to contribute so we can all do what we need/want. I work FT and they know I will do whatever I can for them BUT it is a 2 way street....

Northernlass1234 · 20/03/2023 23:37

am exactly the same as you. Almost 15 yo DD and I’m menopausal- am on HRT.

Dd works - she babysits and helps a camp place with parties and holidays camps.

she also asks for a lOT money!

i think you need to come down hard on your DD - have a talk with her when she’s calm and start setting boundaries- no extra money - she needs to work etc - any rudeness she’s grounded etc. and stick to it. Not too many rules but ones you need her to stick to!

also hope it gets better!

TeaandLemonDrizzle · 21/03/2023 05:54

Thanks all. I know I’m too soft on her. Her dad is worse tbh and gives her what she wants all the time!

She is 15 in June. I was babysitting at her age, and had a paper round. I will start giving her jobs to do. She makes a mess in the bathroom daily which drives me mad. Her bedroom is messy a lot.

Pocket money, she will get split into weekly payments so she doesn’t fritter it away on the 1st of each month. I plan on stopping it at 18 anyway - as I did with her elder brother (he got a part time job).

I guess a lot of the way I am is because I didn’t get pocket money and had to work for everything. I am being too soft.

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Flatandhappy · 21/03/2023 06:28

I think natural consequences really is the only way to go. Not all teenagers are horrible and selfish so personally I don’t subscribe to the “nothing we can do except wait for them to grow out of it” school of thought. Communication and consistency help. Being on the same page as your ex would help in terms of who gives her what but I understand that’s a big ask. I think changing the bus pass would be a good idea as is making pocket money weekly. You do need to stand firm though, if your DD is used to getting her own way if she tantrums enough it will take her a while to learn the new world order 😊

Whycanineverever · 21/03/2023 06:56

You say you have had a stressful time - going through a divorce and losing 2 siblings, one to suicide.

Those siblings are presumably her aunts / uncles so maybe she is also struggling with losing them, trying to understand and process a suicide and dealing with a change in home circumstances.

Wallywobbles · 21/03/2023 07:04

Ill answer the money thing. From about age 10 I gave my 4 DC enough money to buy all their clothes and do present shopping, going out. This is about €70/month. They have a debit card but no overdraft facility. They have learnt to budget. DD2 (17) has a side business buying and selling which makes about 2k€/year. She's saving it for travel.

Compared to their friends (high end private school) they don't do badly.

I pay travel, phone, Netflix, Spotify.

Your DD gets considerably more and blows it. She has no concept of the value of money. I'm afraid you and her Dad will need to come up with a cast iron agreement. She sounds like she'd happily blackmail everyone.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 21/03/2023 07:07

I agree with PPs OP she gets a lot of pocket money and should be very grateful. I would change your pocket money as reward for chores weekly such as cleaning her bedroom and keeping the bathroom clean and helping with other things. She has enough money to fund at least some of her public transport. It's not about hormones clashes it's about teaching respect and the value of money which will help her as she grows up.

THisbackwithavengeance · 21/03/2023 07:17

Posters are focusing on the money. If you can afford it and you are high earners then why shouldn't she have decent pocket money? You don't have to cave in and give her more if she blows it in 5 minutes, that's on her.

I bet no one tells David Beckham or Elton John that his kids shouldn't have money.

The issue is the attitude. Just ignore. Don't engage. Don't force trips out if she's not bothered. If she's rude, walk away. Leave her to it. I see the express 'grey rock' on here and it's good advice.

If my teenager is rude to me, I say something like "wow, that's nice, do you talk to your friends like that?" in a sarcastic voice and walk away. Usually she apologises. But I honestly don't get upset. It's not worth it.

TheInterceptor · 21/03/2023 07:19

She does nothing around the house? No wonder she doesn't respect you, OP. Put your foot down and make some changes. She needs to grow up.

RampantIvy · 21/03/2023 07:24

Can you see a different doctor at your GP practice re your menopause symptoms?

I'm sorry that you are having a tough time Flowers

Lockedinforwinter · 21/03/2023 07:42

I feel for her. She has lost two aunt/uncles, her parents have split up, her Mum is grumpy, and she is going through puberty. It would be a miracle if she wasn't grumpy and difficult.

Have you talked to her about everything that has happened recently? If she won't talk to you is there anyone else she can talk to to help her process everything?

SUPsUP · 21/03/2023 08:28

This is great, I’ve not seen it before

TeaandLemonDrizzle · 21/03/2023 16:59

Whycanineverever · 21/03/2023 06:56

You say you have had a stressful time - going through a divorce and losing 2 siblings, one to suicide.

Those siblings are presumably her aunts / uncles so maybe she is also struggling with losing them, trying to understand and process a suicide and dealing with a change in home circumstances.

She didn’t see them regularly so they were like strangers to her.

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SteggySawUs · 21/03/2023 17:08

If she's allowed her phone in her room there's a chance she's massively sleep deprived. I'd be looking at removing it/turning off the WiFi at a certain time. Teenagers don't realise they need human interaction and quality sleep but they really really do.
I'd also cut back hard on the pocket money, be clear on some daily and weekly chores that need to be done properly and without complaint, and then build the money back up again.
All done in your best calm happy voice in the face of your own raging hormones... Sorry about that!

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 21/03/2023 17:11

I need to get some time back for me.

Well, if she's in her room the whole time, how much more time do you need?

You are spoiling her with money and there is no discipline. This is of your own making. Sorry.

Parky04 · 21/03/2023 17:18

Sorry, but I can't get over £47 per month for a phone. You have spoilt her!

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