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Bail

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coffeeandpeace · 15/02/2023 17:59

16 year old on bail. Played knock a door run and there was a massive over reaction by police.
What is likely to happen when we check back in at the police station ?

OP posts:
fastandthecurious1 · 15/02/2023 20:04

My nephew got took to the police station for harsh words when he cherry knocked (midlands term) but it was an elderly man who fell on the way to the door thinking it was his carers and the carerwhen they arrived took his video doorbell footage and reported it as he knocked 3 times in all.

Very stupid and harmful but he was giving a stern talking too by officers and threats of a record and causing harm to the man by making him get up unaided etc etc

It was all just to scare him though and he was 14 at the time. What was the charge if he's on bail?

thedogsmababy · 15/02/2023 20:06

@Nimbostratus100 that requirement is England only. The op could be elsewhere in the uk.

www.gov.uk/know-when-you-can-leave-school

Rebellious23 · 15/02/2023 20:06

coffeeandpeace · 15/02/2023 19:33

No ! Why are people accusing him of this sort of thing. He doesn't drink/ swear .
This is a well known local man who is constantly complaining about kids

I am probably known for constantly complaining about kids
I do because the police advised it and
I've had a firework put in my window and explode, destroying my carpet
They constantly bang on the window and throw stones/sticks/pop bottles which means I don't open the blinds on that side
One night they banged on the patio doors so hard the blinds fell down (that were installed professionally)
They climb in my garden to bang on the patio doors

It gets to the point where you don't relax in your own home because you're bracing yourself for the bang or wondering if this will be the time a brick comes in the window

Newnamenewme23 · 15/02/2023 20:07

So you have a 16 year old not in education.

what does he do with his time?

teenagers get bored and get into trouble.

it sounds like he needs to be back in education or something before he really gets in trouble with the police.

I also think there’s more to it than knock and run. You don’t get arrested and bailed for that.

what are the conditions of his bail?

Kakibob1924 · 15/02/2023 20:09

I think you should have sympathy for the poor man terrorised in his own home where he should feel safe.

LakeTiticaca · 15/02/2023 20:10

I was in full time employment at 16. I gave up knock a door run aged about 9

IWantToBeACat · 15/02/2023 20:11

coffeeandpeace · 15/02/2023 19:36

Some kids aren't at the level of their age due to special needs. He was joining in with the younger kids but has been treated this way as he is older

I suspect there is more at hand here than a one off, knock a door run. What mental age would you say your son is due to his special needs? If he's out hanging about with younger kids without being supervised then presumably you feel he is sensible enough to do that? So surely he knows not to go banging (can't imagine he was just knocking) on the door of someone who is known to complain about children. It sounds more like the kids DO know this man complains about them so they were banging on his door harassing him to provoke a reaction in retaliation for him complaining about them.

I sadly doubt much will happen in the end, but I honestly hope that he is given a stern warning and is frightened into behaving properly and that there are serious consequences at home for harassing elderly people.

LewisCapaldisCamelToe · 15/02/2023 20:13

I was victimised for 18 months upon moving to a small village with a roaming group of feral children, knock a door run was their favourite game to play with me. I was a traumatised and disabled single parent who was moved due to domestic violence and assault, and it started the very first day we moved in. Naturally it appeared like I was just a child hater and grouch - but you try having often older kids as well as the younger ones, banging on your door and windows and shouting and running off before you can do anything, when you're a single traumatised person.

I got the police involved. And I moved. And your son is an absolute dickhead.

MaverickGooseGoose · 15/02/2023 20:17

Sensing huge more drip feed

Hwory · 15/02/2023 20:19

‘It’s a man that’s constantly complaining about kids’

The man: has children (most likely frequently) harassing him (possibly burglarised) at his own front door by said kids.

MoroccanRoseHChurch · 15/02/2023 20:19

I suspect what he was on bail for will inform how they decide to deal with him.

Nimbostratus100 · 15/02/2023 20:21

MaverickGooseGoose · 15/02/2023 20:17

Sensing huge more drip feed

I sort of hope we will get more, but am afraid the OP wont come back now. I hope this boy is OK. Clearly behaviour was nasty, but it sounds like a SEN kid who has fallen under the radar, isnt in any wort of training, and parent (mum? I assume) doesnt really have any handle on what he should be doing, or what he is doing.

Yes, of course, full sympathy for his victim, but at 16, he needs intervention now, or where is he going to be at 26, 36, etc?

I really hope he gets urgent help

DrMarciaFieldstone · 15/02/2023 20:23

More worried about the poor man who’s been constantly terrorised/possibly burgled by a load of kids old enough to know better and parents minimising it.

007DoubleOSeven · 15/02/2023 20:25

I think you ought to talk to a solicitor @coffeeandpeace

No one here can advise.

SwishSwishBisch · 15/02/2023 20:26

You say “a well known man who’s always complaining about kids” like it’s some sort of justification, but I’m wondering why he’s always complaining?
if he’s being persistently harassed by ‘kids’ such as your DS knocking on his door (and doubtless doing other antisocial things), I’d think you need to be addressing with your son why he thinks it’s ok to continually pester this man who is clearly distressed by their behaviour, rather than just - I dunno - leaving him alone?
It is NOT ok to harass people

SwishSwishBisch · 15/02/2023 20:28

@LewisCapaldisCamelToe I’m sorry you were subjected to that

Zola1 · 15/02/2023 20:33

Is he on Police bail with conditions? He just needs to follow the conditions, not do anything else silly, and re attend on the date he's given. There should be a charging decision by then or they might re bail him.

Zola1 · 15/02/2023 20:35

Also...if he is under 18, and he was arrested and interviewed in order to be bailed, then he would have had an Appropriate Adult present plus a solicitor. Who was the AA? Was it you?

PinkSyCo · 15/02/2023 20:43

Why is your DS on bail if he’s never been in trouble before? 🤔

Greyarea12 · 15/02/2023 21:12

If a 16 year old knocked on my door and ran i wouldn't be classing it as 'kids' playing knock door run.

Sorry but sound like it was more than a knock, more like a force .. hence the attempted burglary.

As for the guy complaining about kids.. this isn't young kids playing in the street. This is a young man 2 years off from being an adult.

THisbackwithavengeance · 15/02/2023 21:29

OP, do not allow your son to be spoken to by the police without a solicitor and an Appropriate Adult (you or social worker). Do not allow yourself to be intimidated. Also ignore all the holier then thou sanctimonious comments on here.

He won't be charged for Knock a Door Run - it's not an offence! - they will have to prove harassment.

So unless your son has been systematically harassing this guy, I can't see that the police have any grounds to charge, particularly if your boy is vulnerable.

I personally wouldn't even accept a caution here and let the police charge him if they have the evidence. It won't get past CPS so they won't. But speak to a solicitor as I don't know the full circs. It sounds like you live in a quiet town where the police haven't got much else to do. What a fucking waste of taxpayers money.

Nedmund · 15/02/2023 22:04

In my area, teens are pissing about playing "knock and run" except it's 'pretend to kick the door in' by booting it several times, very forcefully. It's not usually a one off and the teens usually target someone which is harassment and criminal damage because over time it damages the door. Even if your DC didn't harass thenand it was a one off, it's scary. It happened to us once and it did sound like an attempted burglary with so much force. So perhaps once (or maybe just once by your DC) but it's attempted criminal damage at the least if it's anything like I've experienced.

At 10, it would be very silly but at 16 your child should know better. Don't play it down that this man is always complaining about kids because it sounds like he's being harassed, your own DC might just show there's no smoke without fire.

pursudebyablackdog · 15/02/2023 22:05

I think you need proper legal advice because none of this makes any sense.

Emmamoo89 · 15/02/2023 22:12

He's obviously done something else to get bail

LewisCapaldisCamelToe · 15/02/2023 22:26

Thanks. And your comment about why the old guy is always complaining - that's literally me back then in that village. Now, I just get angry and rude back at the occasional ditchers, there's a kid from off our newbuild who does it sometimes, he's known and we all feel the same about it so I'm not the only potential grouch 🤣

But I had them throwing stuff at us, climbing in the back garden, terrorising my dog... I decided to cut my losses, most beautiful area I've ever lived in, but my mental health was in the trash before I was moved there.

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