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Teenage tantrums are tearing us apart.

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6setsofpaws · 12/11/2022 11:51

My son is in year 10. The past year he has turned into an absolute monster. He has full blown tantrums where he hyperventilates and let’s off this awful sound unlike anything I have ever heard before. The problem is these tantrums are getting worse and more frequent. The latest was when I asked how his day at school was yesterday. We used to be a nice normal family able to enjoy days out, now I’m reluctant to even go for a meal out because of how vile he behaves. Last time we went for a meal out he was so rude to waitress refusing to even look at her when he ordered. The he was constantly moaning. It’s too hot, it’s too noisy ect. I was so embarrassed. These tantrums make it so no one can talk to him. It’s worse then the terrible twos. I don’t bother to plan family outings anymore because it just ends with him having a tantrum over nothing and everyone else so stressed out. This is putting so much strain on relationships with my other two children and my husband. I hate myself but during his latest tantrum I thought that as soon as he’s 18 I can kick him out the house. I hate what he is doing to us all. You can’t talk to him about anything and I know he is going to fail his GCSEs but he doesn’t care. All he cares about or will talk to people about without a tantrum is whatever video game he is currently playing. I’m at the end of my rope. And to make matters worse I have a daughter is only a 2 years off before it starts all over again. The idea of two of them like this makes me wish I had never had children. Please tell me there is hope.

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bluejelly · 12/11/2022 12:00

Sorry to hear that sounds very tough. He seems young for teenage tantrums. Have you thought about taking him to a psychologist?

GreenLeavesRustling · 12/11/2022 12:03

That sounds atypical for teenagers. Has he ever been considered for social communication issues? Sometimes puberty is the time that autism etc gets harder for a child to manage.
The issues with too hot / too cold / too noisy sounds sensory to me. Also the noises he makes etc are unusual for teenage grumps.

have you sought any support from school ?

TheSausageKingofChicago · 12/11/2022 12:03

@bluejelly he’s in year 10 so would be 14/15. Prime time, I’d say.

OP has he had a time when he didn’t have tantrums? These sound quite extreme and I’m wondering if he has any ND issues - just with you saying restaurants are too loud/hot etc too.
What happens if he gets what he wants? Does it stop or does he carry on?

Itsonlyagame · 12/11/2022 12:06

This sounds like neurodiversity issues to me too. They often become more noticeable during puberty.

HeidiWhole · 12/11/2022 12:06

In honesty this sounds more like meltdown than tantrum, particularly as you say there is hyperventilating?
I think you should be pushing for an assessment as I would suspect neurodiversity.

6setsofpaws · 12/11/2022 12:11

Tried doctors but they said it’s just puberty. School say he’s a perfectly happy child with no
issues. He never shown any signs of autism before so I don’t think it’s that. I would love to find a way to give him what he wants but as I said it’s like he closes the door on his friends and then turns into someone else. 9/10 times he doesn’t even know why he’s having these breakdowns. It’s always worse after school but they always just say he’s happy. There never seems to be a reason that has a resolution which is why I’m just at the end of my tether.

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bluejelly · 12/11/2022 12:23

Apologies, I read that he was 10, not year 10!

Titsywoo · 12/11/2022 12:25

I wouldn't assume that the doctors or school would be able to notice signs of neuro diversity - they certainly missed it in my son who was clearly autistic now I look back!

I would take him to see a psychologist as this is not normal teen behaviour.

Titsywoo · 12/11/2022 12:26

It certainly sounds like he is masking at school then having a breakdown at home!

bluejelly · 12/11/2022 12:26

I would push for a psychologist assessment (not just GP). My friend with ADHD and autism had similar meltdowns when he was a teenager (not saying your son has those things, but worth getting checked out).
NB my friend is happy and manages very well now in his late 20s but had a tough time in his teens

Eupraxia · 12/11/2022 12:30

The overall tone of your posts sound like you have lost your connection with him.

All he cares about or will talk to people about without a tantrum is whatever video game he is currently playing.

I would be chatting with huge detail and attentive attention about video gaming, if it was my son. Bond with him, connect with the stuff he likes, rather than assuming he will connect with the stuff you like.

converseandjeans · 12/11/2022 12:35

He sounds like he's finding something difficult. It could be friendship issues that he isn't telling anyone about & he doesn't want to admit to. He could be finding the work difficult - GCSEs are hard now.

Have you told him you love him whether he passes his exams or not? Maybe discuss a plan with him for 6th form.

Are you & his Dad still together? Can his Dad take him out to do stuff together?

He just sounds overwhelmed & it's presenting in the form of a tantrum.

slowquickstep · 12/11/2022 12:35

Is he addicted to gaming and therefore kicks off when he can't play ?

converseandjeans · 12/11/2022 12:36

Agree with @Eupraxia

I would be chatting with huge detail and attentive attention about video gaming, if it was my son. Bond with him, connect with the stuff he likes, rather than assuming he will connect with the stuff you like.

Try to take an interest in what he enjoys rather than forcing family events on him.

6setsofpaws · 12/11/2022 12:38

We are a family of gamers so that’s not so much an issue. But we need to talk about why he’s suddenly failing at school or these meltdowns for example and what we can do to help and it ends up with him breaking down my husband shouting and me just wanting to leave with my girls and start a new life.

I don’t have the money to go private for help so if the school and GP won’t do anything to help there is nothing we can do.

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 12/11/2022 12:38

I agree with the suggestion to explore whether there may be some kind of neurodiversity involved. I don't think this is "normal" teenage behaviour.

thelobsterquadrille · 12/11/2022 12:40

9/10 times he doesn’t even know why he’s having these breakdowns. It’s always worse after school but they always just say he’s happy.

Sounds like masking to me. It's incredibly common in children who are neurodiverse. It's also very common for autism to start presenting in teens or young adults who have previously shown no signs of it.

Msbluebozooka · 12/11/2022 12:53

So sorry to hear this is happening to you and your family.But believe me you will have to ride this out and chose your arguments wisely. This has happened to me three times over the last six years and it horrible, its emotional draining I really feel for you. However it does get better by nineteen he should be returning to normal his hormone levels should have settled down and he should have found his identity by then.I recommend that you watch the Harry Enfield clip on Kevin on his thirteenth birthday, Also can I just add, all those advising to take him to see a psychologist don't be ridiculous can you imagine what this would do to this already fragile relationship.Look back at your own teenage years.Good luck OP

Eupraxia · 12/11/2022 12:57

6setsofpaws · 12/11/2022 12:38

We are a family of gamers so that’s not so much an issue. But we need to talk about why he’s suddenly failing at school or these meltdowns for example and what we can do to help and it ends up with him breaking down my husband shouting and me just wanting to leave with my girls and start a new life.

I don’t have the money to go private for help so if the school and GP won’t do anything to help there is nothing we can do.

You can't have useful discussions with him about any of those things without a bond of trust.

You need to fundamentally like each other as a starting point to challenging conversations.

I'd start with building a connection and ignoring, avoiding or distracting from the negative behaviour as much as is possible.

UnbeatenMum · 12/11/2022 13:06

Sorry but this sounds a lot like my daughter who has Autism. Even if you don't think it is, please try to see things like the restaurant incident as him finding it really hard rather than him behaving badly or being rude. With my daughter I have to accept that there are some things that she can't manage and other things where she needs understanding or adaptations. She actually likes going out to eat but she can't manage queuing or anywhere too crowded, she really struggles with noise and has earplugs and noise cancelling headphones to help in those situations. She doesn't make 'normal' eye contact and is quite direct, which can come across as rude if you don't know she's autistic.

imSatanhonest · 12/11/2022 13:06

As others have said, could be ND.

I also thought as I read your OP - is he being bullied? School say he is happy but they wouldn't necessarily know about any bullying. If he isn't ND then he sounds very angry about something and he's letting that anger out with the people he feels safest.

Mindthegap725 · 12/11/2022 13:08

Hi op, I have teen daughters not sons, but I have some experience of teenage meltdowns.
And they are awful.
So you have my complete sympathy.
It’s really draining to be walking around on eggshells like this.

He isn’t a monster although I know it feels like he is possessed by one atm.

A couple of things stand out from your post:

— his sensitivity to heat and noise in the restaurant.
I echo what others have said about potential neurodiversity.
There can be a lot of masking at school which « blows » when they return home.
Schools naturally have a vested interest in collectivism and being able to treat every
pupil the same and for these reasons,
they often overlook neurodiversiry. Adolescence is a time when differences can become more pronounced.

— his use of video games.
Has it got out of hand? To the detriment of his school work I mean? Can you put more controls in? It’s quite late to do this but you are still paying the bills.
There was a great thread on here the other day where a mother described her controls on tech but I can’t find it.
It involved everything being set on timers to avoid arguments.

Easy though it is to say, try not to take his behaviour personally. His limbic system and his frontal cortex haven’t merged yet, so he is bad at perceiving other people’s feelings and points of view. So he literally cannot understand how much he is upsetting everyone. And his outward behaviour is a reflection of how he feels internally.

The waitress episode:
Was he actually rude to her in terms of being verbally rude, or would he not look at her?
(Difficulty with eye contact is another
sign of neurodiversity btw.). Or have
you considered he might be chronically self conscious?

Either way, his behaviour is giving you a message. « Back off, I am stressed, I need space. ». So in some ways I would step back and focus on your other dc and yourself for a bit. Let him retreat a while. Calm everything down. Try not to raise your voice.

Your dh needs to be setting an example and getting a grip on his temper. He is literally teaching your son that it’s ok to over-react and have meltdowns

Keep very reasonable and as unemotional as you can. Just focus on one thing at a time.
And choose your moments, and your battles, very very, carefully. For me, reducing
time spent gaming would
be high on the list (but you know much more about this than me). And getting exercise. Then tackle revision.

This is a phase. Things will improve.
It will be fairly hellish in the meantime, so get yourself some rl support. Do some exercise and self care and start a hobby.

Don’t underestimate the fact that just by being there, acting as a « shock absorber » to his rages, you are helping him a lot.
That’s not to say that he doesn’t have to learn to regulate his emotions instead of taking them out on everyone else - he really does

  • but I agrée with pps that he may need some professional therapy to help with this so don’t be afraid to seek outside help. But if that’s out of the question, then maybe you could find him a cooler, older, male mentor? Or encourage him to join some sort of sports or hobby group outside of school and home?

Hang in there op. I know atm you are looking forward to when he’s old enough to leave home - I get it - but he needs you to stay strong and hang in there while he rages.
In some ways, he needs to see you can handle it. In other ways, he probably just doesn’t notice or care because his thoughts are entirely elsewhere. So tell your dh and his siblings to ignore and move on with what you want you are doing and set that example yourself. Keep the lines of communication open with your son but don’t be afraid to move away and say « I want to talk to you about this when we have both calmed down » Flowers

6setsofpaws · 12/11/2022 13:25

We run the gaming on a token system. Children earn time to game or mess around on tech by doing jobs around the house. I would never get my daughter off TikTok otherwise lol. He has no issue with the system. He tends to save his tokens for the weekends but he is never late handing in his tech when his time is up. He also knows that he gets an hour at a time max. He and his dad are great together normally. When he’s in a meltdown you literally have to raise your voice to be heard over the noise he makes. It’s usually us scream at him to breathe because it’s like he forgets to breathe and goes so red in the face. He does sea cadets and absolutely loves it. He’s just had a small freak out when his sister offered him lunch. She gave him two options and he did want them. I asked what he wanted and he started with the “I don’t know” repeatedly and was working himself up to the point he was going to start screaming. I told him we had his favourite beans and could have those if he wanted and he started to calm down. This is why I say these things are so unpredictable.

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Mindthegap725 · 12/11/2022 13:25

Sorry for the wierd formatting in my post - don’t know what happened there - also, as is evident, I don’t know what I am talking about wrt the limbic system 😄 but the point is that the teen brain is going through a period of plasticity which makes it harder for him to control himself.

Mindthegap725 · 12/11/2022 13:29

Reading your update op, you are doing brilliantly and I would say he definitely would benefit from assessing for neurodiversity. Try and discreetly get a few of these incidents on video or keep a log for the assessors. Good luck.