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DSS and DH becoming like strangers

33 replies

Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 17:35

Name changed for this. Apologies in advance for it being so long, just trying to avoid a drip feed.

To summarise, my DH and his DS1 (my DSS1) are becoming more and more like strangers due to DSS1’s behaviour when he’s at our house. I am hoping you’ll have wise thoughts on whether this is just normal teenage stuff that DH needs to wait out, or whether he should try to actively fix it.

So now for the long version…

DH has been divorced since his two DS were young: 4.5 and 3 years old. In his defence, she was verbally and emotionally abusive. However, she has aways been good to the children, has mellowed a lot, and co-parenting is civil.

The boys have had two homes, mainly with their mum, and visiting DH (and later DH, me and our DS when he arrived) every other weekend. There is distance involved as DH needs to be near London for work and his ex lives about an hour away. This must have been tough for the boys, but they’ve always seemed happy and relaxed with the arrangement. In the past they were always lovely to have around and lovely with their little brother. DH has put in tons of effort to do lots of fun stuff with them too.

Once they hit 13 ish, the ‘every other weekend’ arrangement loosened. DH made it clear that he wanted to see them as much as ever but understood that they were starting to need extra flexibility for parties, sports, friends etc.

All was well for a while, but over the last 18 months, DSS1 (now 17) has completely changed and is creating a horrible atmosphere when he visits.

Examples:

  • Avoids being in the room with any other family member (spending hours shut in the bathroom, going outside when everyone else is inside, generally hiding).
  • He's completely unable to break away from his phone at any time when he’s awake. It's glued to his hand. He looks at it every few seconds.
  • Regularly talks to DSS2 like sh*t when he thinks we can’t hear.
  • Stares blankly into space if in the room / car / wherever with us.
  • Avoids all but the very briefest eye contact.
  • Rarely speaks, but when he does it's either a short and vague 'brush off' or (even weirder) an overly polite fake gushing tone

It makes the atmosphere so unpleasant – he so obviously doesn’t want to be here and acts as though we're all strangers. DH is really hurt. He doesn't understand how his son could have changed so completely - literally he was lovely for so long but now there's no sign of the person he was and he acts as though his dad is more or less invisible. (Unlike DSS2 who is now 16 and still bloody great.) It's not drugs, I don't think. He looks very well, bright eyes and clear skin etc.

DH’s response, having had 18 months of trying and failing to engage with DSS1, is to say that if he doesn’t want to come, that’s fine – he can just stop coming.

BUT.

For a start, he’s likely to be coming up to us for Christmas as his mum is going to be away at a wedding. I think DH's feelings will fester and things will come to a head if/when DSS1 behaves like this over Christmas. Which won't be good for anyone.

Also, I worry that if DH lets it slide he'll hardly see DSS1 and they'll grow apart even more.

What would you advise DH to do?

Words of wisdom please.

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crimsonlake · 13/09/2022 17:39

Mmm, to be honest at 17 I would expect the weekend visits to more or less stop as teenagers have other things going on in their lives. It sounds as if he resents visiting, is he being forced to visit?

lailamaria · 13/09/2022 17:40

is your husband still treating him as if he's 12 i'm just asking because he's going to be an adult now and probably wants to be more independent but if your husband sees them what i assume infrequently then that might be creating some tension

Quartz2208 · 13/09/2022 17:42

I would advise that he thinks back to when he was 17, add in phones (and how he is with one), how he was with his parents and then really think is my son that different to how I was at that age.

17 is a bloody awkward age - you are not yet an adult but not really a child. Stuck in some kind of twilight world when the only people you really gel with our your peers.

He needs to be the adult and father in this recognise that and just allow time to pass until he comes back to being someone he can interact with again.

Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 17:56

No, they are both free to visit as little as they want, although their mum is away at Christmas and won't want him home alone so he will 'have' to come then.

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Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 17:59

Definitely not treating them like kids, no. Also DSS2 is growing and changing but still engaging/talking to his dad at 16. DSS1 has been blanking us all out since 15.

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Penguinsaregreat · 13/09/2022 18:03

The teenage years can be tough for everyone.
I don’t have specific advice but I would advise your dh to stick in there, he is in it for the long haul. Eventually it should pass and your dss will come out the other end a better person. I think most 17 year olds do not want to play happy families it’s just how it is.

Quartz2208 · 13/09/2022 18:15

Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 17:59

Definitely not treating them like kids, no. Also DSS2 is growing and changing but still engaging/talking to his dad at 16. DSS1 has been blanking us all out since 15.

Some do some dont. DOnt make the mistake of comparing the brothers and expecting both to act the same.

Some boys transition to men far more easily than others. And there are different paths.

Your DSS1 behaviour though tricky and difficult sounds well within the realms of normal behaviour. The blanking actually doesnt sound that bad

Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 18:16

Yes, you're right. DH and I have talked about being that age and both remember home / family feeling stifling. We were much freer to be with friends (as are DSSs) but we were still expected to be decent and spend at least some time as part of the family when we were at home. Isn't part of being the adult and father also helping them to grow up with a sense of how their behaviour might affect others? 17 might be legally almost an adult but I for one still had a lot of growing up to do at that age. My parents wouldn't have spoken to me like I was a naughty kid but they pointed out when I was being horrible and I'm glad they did.

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Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 18:34

Perhaps it's just that it stands out so much. dSS2 is totally different and if anything seems to have watched his big bro change and made a conscious decision not to behave like him.

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MintJulia · 13/09/2022 18:38

He sounds like a normal horrid teenager to me. Your DH needs to understand and remember the teenage years.

DSS1 will turn back into a normal human being in about 3 years time.

Midlifemusings · 13/09/2022 18:44

Are you sure his mental health is okay? You only seemed concerned about the impact on others, but I would be concerned about him as well. Some of it sounds like it could be typical for a teen who is spending a weekend with family when he wants to be somewhere else but if it is a change in behaviour, it could be he is struggling inside.

Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 18:51

I really don't think so. He loves his friends and from what DSS2 says is all smiles laughter when he's with them.

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Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 18:54

And thanks everyone for your replies. Really helps to hear it's pretty normal.

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MolliciousIntent · 13/09/2022 18:54

Has your DH actually spoken to him about this behaviour?

Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 18:57

Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 18:16

Yes, you're right. DH and I have talked about being that age and both remember home / family feeling stifling. We were much freer to be with friends (as are DSSs) but we were still expected to be decent and spend at least some time as part of the family when we were at home. Isn't part of being the adult and father also helping them to grow up with a sense of how their behaviour might affect others? 17 might be legally almost an adult but I for one still had a lot of growing up to do at that age. My parents wouldn't have spoken to me like I was a naughty kid but they pointed out when I was being horrible and I'm glad they did.

Meant this to be a reply to @Quartz2208

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MadMadMadamMim · 13/09/2022 19:02

I have a 17 yo DS and this is fairly normal. They are welded to their phones and to social media as that is how they keep in touch with friends. Despite living with us full time DS is often like this.

I imagine DSS feels that his mates are out having fun (often) whilst he's stuck at his Dad's every other weekend. It's tough for them at that age. And tough for the parents. He's probably the same at his DMs house. They are growing up and just want to be left alone by adults. I imagine some of it is resentment that he's stuck with his younger brother/Dad/you when his mates are all an hour away. There isn't much you can do, unfortunately.

I was awful at that age - and we didn't even have phones. But I would have stayed in my room which had no tv, no central heating, no phone (early 1980s) rather than actually spend any time with my parents...who were perfectly ok people.

yikesanotherbooboo · 13/09/2022 19:08

I agree that this is not at all unusual teenage behaviour although I hate the being nasty to younger brother element.
He is coming to see DH and family so must want to be there.I would cling on to that and try to ignore any behaviour that doesn't cross your particular black lines. They come through this.

Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 19:12

Not in a big picture way. He's mentioned specific things like the phone or being nasty to DSS2 but DSS1 immediately denies / deflects / shuts it down. He doesn't cope well with conversations with even the mildest hint of criticism- never has. (Eg he used to hit his brother whenever he was in a bad mood, and he would never apologise or accept that he was in the wrong. Both parents had this experience.)
I've actually wondered if a kindly worded letter would be more effective in this situation as any attempt at talking gets blocked.

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TeaMoreToast · 13/09/2022 19:15

It's not unusual behavior. He could be thinking he has to come visit you as his DM wants her house to herself- even if she doesn't explicitly say so. He'll be feeling he's missing out on socialising while he's at yours.

I'd really leave him be. Let him engage or not in family life when he's with you. Tell DH to NOT wind up the situation. The teen will come back to you in a few years when he's an adult.

TeaMoreToast · 13/09/2022 19:17

Do not write a letter, that's creating drama and will cause tension when there doesn't need to be.

Let him be. He's 17. He's still coming to your house. You don't need him to be an all-singing all-dancing teen like his younger brother. If he's outright rude or hitting, then obviously address that. But if he's disengaged, just let him be.

dotdotdotdash · 13/09/2022 19:19

I do think you need to persevere with laying down boundaries, in as low-key a way as possible, such as put phone away when eating together or whatever. Be non-confrontational but persistent. Tell your DH not to take it personally though. This is teenagers all over, and the blankness etc. can be to do with brain development not necessarily rudeness. But don't let his mood dictate!!!

Rollergirl11 · 13/09/2022 19:30

Have you spoken to his Mum about this? Is his attitude the same towards her?

InfiniteMonkies · 13/09/2022 19:57

PLEASE don't write a letter! As well meant as it is, it is all there in black and white, untakebackable, for a raw edged teen to have as evidence that you think he is at fault, however well worded or meant. Take and deal with each interaction at face value (let a lot go) and he will grow up.

Midlifemusings · 13/09/2022 19:59

Teens being smiley with their friends does not mean they aren't struggling themselves.

Robinsonsquashedme · 13/09/2022 20:09

God no, don't write a letter! He does just sound like a regular, normal teenager. The hitting his brother isn't nice. It sounds like he is taking his frustration out on the weakest target. Are you certain he wants to come and isn't being forced to because his brother is going too? Mum wants them both out of the house situation?

I think the best thing for DH to do is sit down and have an honest chat with about visiting. Reassure him he is much-loved and presence is much wanted. But there will be no hard feelings if he doesn't want to come for a few weekends. Even if his brother still wants to come, he won't be forced to visit.

I also think you need to give him space when he's with you. Leave him to come to you instead of forcing family time.

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