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DSS and DH becoming like strangers

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Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 17:35

Name changed for this. Apologies in advance for it being so long, just trying to avoid a drip feed.

To summarise, my DH and his DS1 (my DSS1) are becoming more and more like strangers due to DSS1’s behaviour when he’s at our house. I am hoping you’ll have wise thoughts on whether this is just normal teenage stuff that DH needs to wait out, or whether he should try to actively fix it.

So now for the long version…

DH has been divorced since his two DS were young: 4.5 and 3 years old. In his defence, she was verbally and emotionally abusive. However, she has aways been good to the children, has mellowed a lot, and co-parenting is civil.

The boys have had two homes, mainly with their mum, and visiting DH (and later DH, me and our DS when he arrived) every other weekend. There is distance involved as DH needs to be near London for work and his ex lives about an hour away. This must have been tough for the boys, but they’ve always seemed happy and relaxed with the arrangement. In the past they were always lovely to have around and lovely with their little brother. DH has put in tons of effort to do lots of fun stuff with them too.

Once they hit 13 ish, the ‘every other weekend’ arrangement loosened. DH made it clear that he wanted to see them as much as ever but understood that they were starting to need extra flexibility for parties, sports, friends etc.

All was well for a while, but over the last 18 months, DSS1 (now 17) has completely changed and is creating a horrible atmosphere when he visits.

Examples:

  • Avoids being in the room with any other family member (spending hours shut in the bathroom, going outside when everyone else is inside, generally hiding).
  • He's completely unable to break away from his phone at any time when he’s awake. It's glued to his hand. He looks at it every few seconds.
  • Regularly talks to DSS2 like sh*t when he thinks we can’t hear.
  • Stares blankly into space if in the room / car / wherever with us.
  • Avoids all but the very briefest eye contact.
  • Rarely speaks, but when he does it's either a short and vague 'brush off' or (even weirder) an overly polite fake gushing tone

It makes the atmosphere so unpleasant – he so obviously doesn’t want to be here and acts as though we're all strangers. DH is really hurt. He doesn't understand how his son could have changed so completely - literally he was lovely for so long but now there's no sign of the person he was and he acts as though his dad is more or less invisible. (Unlike DSS2 who is now 16 and still bloody great.) It's not drugs, I don't think. He looks very well, bright eyes and clear skin etc.

DH’s response, having had 18 months of trying and failing to engage with DSS1, is to say that if he doesn’t want to come, that’s fine – he can just stop coming.

BUT.

For a start, he’s likely to be coming up to us for Christmas as his mum is going to be away at a wedding. I think DH's feelings will fester and things will come to a head if/when DSS1 behaves like this over Christmas. Which won't be good for anyone.

Also, I worry that if DH lets it slide he'll hardly see DSS1 and they'll grow apart even more.

What would you advise DH to do?

Words of wisdom please.

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Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 20:23

Thank you all so much. Really appreciate all your advice and will definitely:

  1. NOT suggest that DH writes a letter
  2. try to chill out when DSS is blanking
  3. make a couple of reasonable boundaries re phones when he's here
  4. help DH not to take it personally
  5. trust that DSS will come out of it
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InfiniteMonkies · 13/09/2022 21:00

Yes it's easy to think you're dealing with a rude young adult at 17 (and might well be if this was the face they were showing the world/friends) but mine at home is quite often in actual semi-shutdown through tiredness, brain rewiring, being an awful teen, whatever, but only (low key, utterly non obvious) love can conquer all!

TwoWeeksislong · 13/09/2022 21:07

Honestly I don’t think you can make a 17 year old leave his phone alone. You could try a ´no phones at the dinner table’ policy but that’s about it for reasonable boundaries but you might find he stops eating with you.

InfiniteMonkies · 13/09/2022 21:15

Sorry, re read your op, we do have lovely moments with ours when less tired/grumpy and he doesn't speak like that to his sister (minor irritations aside). So I totally recognise this but hadn't quite gathered it was all the time. Is there nothing he finds funny/worthwhile any more? I can usually tweak out a small smile once a day.

InfiniteMonkies · 13/09/2022 21:21

...if I say exactly the right thing at exactly the right time, otherwise god help me with the silence

Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 21:38

InfiniteMonkies · 13/09/2022 21:00

Yes it's easy to think you're dealing with a rude young adult at 17 (and might well be if this was the face they were showing the world/friends) but mine at home is quite often in actual semi-shutdown through tiredness, brain rewiring, being an awful teen, whatever, but only (low key, utterly non obvious) love can conquer all!

He won't do that. He may not speak to me but he still loves my dinners. (Silently.)

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Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 21:40

Righthandcider · 13/09/2022 21:38

He won't do that. He may not speak to me but he still loves my dinners. (Silently.)

Aargh, sorry - getting my quotes and replies all mixed up.

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Delladon · 29/01/2023 09:38

My eldest was like this from 14-17. He's 18 now and as lovely as can be. Your DSS could start coming out of the other side soon. It's quite normal behaviour but being glued to a phone and being 'not present' can be something more deeper going on. I would try treating him more like an adult, let him know he has choices, if he doesn't want to visit so much tell him that's ok and you understand he needs time to himself and to be with his friends but that he's always welcome to visit or stay. You could mention that you've noticed he's distracted by his phone a lot without chastising him for that. You know it's normal for them to be on their phone a lot but if there's something going that's worrying him that he should get help from an adult he trusts. That it doesn't need to be you but you are always there for him if he needs help, nothing he could tell you would so terrible.
He will probably roll his eyes at you for being dramatic but those words may pop into his head if he does every find himself in a pickle with something. It could be nothing, but there so many things that can trouble a teen, relationships, sexuality, exam/work pressure, bullying, being constantly asked what you are going to do with your life! You might not suspect drug taking but it doesn't mean he's not dealing with the temptations or peer pressure of it. There comes a time when the direct parenting is done and you become more of a backseat driver. You hope that between you all, you have given them the tools they need to navigate the tricky parts and you will be there when they need it.

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