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Parenting teenagers has its ups and downs. Get advice from Mumsnetters here.

Unhappy with teens

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TeaWithPaddington · 25/07/2022 06:06

Hi,

I am feeling extremely unhappy in my life and, quite frankly, it is no way to live. I'm not sure if my problem stems from my childhood or whether it is because my marriage was sexless/lacked love. But, also, both of my teens are causing me issues and I feel like a doormat.

I have an 18 year old son and a 14 year old daughter. I ended my marriage, after 23 years, in 2020 due to us being on different planets and not having any connection (other than the children). I was lonely. Nothing could be changed and, upon entering the menopause years, I became aware of other men and started to realise that I was missing something and that 'something' was quite significant. I was also not attracted to him (age gap) and this led to no intimacy, affection or sex in the relationship for many years. Well over 10! We lived like brother and sister - I guess I'd accepted it but also felt trapped due to lack of family support.

We had no grandparents to help us with the children when they were growing up (all RIP) and no family support at all, really. It was tough as I had to raise the children and hold up my career in healthcare (something I'd worked hard for since being a teen myself). My father and mother divorced when I was 8 and my father disappeared from my life from around 10 as, when I did visit, he'd leave me outside the local pub with a lemonade and a packet of crisps while he went inside with his friends. I got fed up, obviously, and said to my mum that I didn't want to go again. He didn't make any effort to stay in touch and he died when I was 23 (so I heard). My mother was an older mum (40 when she had me) but had been a heavy smoker and developed many health problems so I was looking after her a lot as a young teen. We didn't have much money as she was on social security payments so I never really went anywhere apart from my home town or the next town to visit my grandmother. I remember being left at school when my friends went off to France on a trip. I was bored a lot. I remember my friends parents taking me camping at the Lake District because they felt sorry for me. My mother was difficult as I was growing up. Constantly at the doctors with one 'ailment' after another and she even ended up in a psychiatric hospital when she went crazy when a GP struck her off of his list for being a time waster. Anyway, all of this made me driven in carving out a career. I wanted to lift myself out of this existence and better my prospects. I have done so with a lot of hard work and determination. I was lucky to get free university tuition which I took advantage of. I was desperate to improve my life. I met my husband on my sandwich year out and hadn't really had a boyfriend before. He is over a decade older. Looking back, this was a mistake and I'm now starting to think maybe I was swept off of my feet as he took me places and got me away from my home life with my mother.

Anyway, my eldest child has always been a bit difficult to deal with. Very highly strung as a toddler and I was constantly walking on eggshells. Hardly slept and it was tough in the first few years. He is a bright boy, however, and very switched on. He got mostly 9's in his GCSE's and he has just sat his A-levels. He is, however, lazy with anything else. He gets good grades with no revision. He won't lift a finger to help me at all and wants me to do everything. Leaves the lights on. Leaves the toilet seat up. Goes to bed very late then I can't get him up in the mornings, or he is half asleep all day. He asks for a brew when the kettle is on and has never made me one. Ever. Even when I've asked nicely if I've been tired after work. Won't do anything around the house but I know teens are like this. Not all, I know (I was always helping my mum). What is bothering me is that, for a long time, he is patronising me a lot. He talks down at me like I'm stupid and beneath him: He often calls me stupid and is critical of everything I say - like I'm an idiot. If I say anything interesting or useful he will just reply with a sarcastic'really' like I have just spoken a load of rubbish. I have a 1st class science degree, a Masters and in management in my career. He has also thrown things at me before in temper (he has a bit of an addiction to his Xbox and has had for years) if I challenge him on anything. He really gave me a nasty bruise one day on my left boob after throwing something hard at me in temper. His dad witnessed this (as we were together at the time) and did nothing. He just stood there! The trauma caused me to develop a breast abscess a week later and I ended up in A&E. I was put on antibiotics for a week and it went away (they were going to drain it if it hadn't). I didn't tell my son or husband about this and they still don't know. Im deeply hurt inside over this and other things. My son has conditional offers at a few universities to study civil engineering but he seems to have gone off that idea and now wants to join the armed forces and work in the pilot/aircraft area. He would probably be good at this due to gaming, maths etc. but I can just see him now begging to come home (because he can't stand the discipline). I've always had to do a lot for him. He will not tolerate being told what to do so I know what will happen there!
My son spends most days at his dad's thank goodness (I know that sounds awful but my life was intolerable sometimes).
My daughter, 14, lives with me (100% of the time) and is spending most days in her room. She was always a lovely girl and is now the opposite. She doesn't speak to me - at all. She is also showing signs of looking down her nose at me. Both kids often call me by my first name and lack respect. She is very sullen around me. I offer to take her places but she says no. I rush home from work to do her tea but she spends the entire evening in her room. Never communicates with me but is smiling away at someone she is chatting to on her phone (that I pay for). Weekends are the same unless it involves me taking her shopping and buying her clothes. I am crying at night feeling lonely. I am in a demanding job and am line manager to 25 staff so constantly deal with daily moans and groans as well as keeping users of the service happy and the department running. To come home to an empty house (even though she is upstairs) is soul destroying but I do not regret ending my marriage. It wasn't a marriage. I feel so isolated and lonely. No family for me to confide in.

I save up for those kids and do without myself. Even though I am well paid, most of my money goes on the house and them so I feel like I am working for the privilege of others (my stbx didn't progress in his career and stayed in a lower paid job). Plus, spending my days off cleaning after their mess and my daughter is Queen Messy!!! She is lazy around the house too!

I, currently, have both kids on holiday (long haul) and I'm not enjoying it one bit! Constant patronising from the eldest (and he gets angry if I have a go at him and he says it's my fault as there is 'something wrong with me') and the youngest has her face in her phone all day and doesn't say a word to me. I've done everything for those kids! Worked hard to provide for them. This holiday has cost close to £8k (money I have saved) but they just don't seem to appreciate what I do for them!!
Both kids don't socialise outside of school much (very rarely).

How do I deal with this? I am fed
up of being like this. Lonely. Trapped. I feel
I have missed out big time on a loving relationship and the people in my life who should shower me with love - my children - don't and I feel hatred is often directed at me. I am so unhappy in life. Dealing with stress all day and coming home to stress and upset too. There is just no love in my life at all. I am 5 years post menopausal and that has been tough too (especially with hormonal kids) and I'm not on HRT - I'm over the worst of it now.

How should I deal with this?

OP posts:
goldfinchonthelawn · 27/07/2022 15:26

Festoonlights · 26/07/2022 22:07

gold With the utmost respect did you miss the part where op ended up in hospital due to her son inflicting an injury to her breast? He has physically assaulted op, and your solution to an adult man causing so much harm to his mother that she needed medical treatment in a hospital is a casual ‘chat’ and anything else would be authoritarian????

Seriously?

Op you have already put up with way too much. Please get counselling and advice from womens aid. Abuse comes in all forms. I am so sorry this has happened to you 💐💐

Yes, I did miss that. I don't know how, and you are right. Those circumstances are not what I was responding to, and change the boundaries of what would work massively. Apologies.

anderosonnmj · 27/07/2022 15:38

Honestly, I wouldn't take them on holiday anymore if that's how they treat you. Next time leave them with their dad and go away by yourself.

As for other teenage behaviour, my DS has just turned 14 and spends a lot of time in his room. I think I did at that age too. But it sounds like your DS is angry with you, maybe because of the break-up of your marriage? Do you and your kids talk about why you and your DH split up? Do they blame you?

TeaWithPaddington · 29/07/2022 03:17

Benjispruce4 · 26/07/2022 12:10

@Oblomov22 being outside a pub with a bottle of lemonade, striped paper straw and a packet of cheese & onion was a normal part or 70s childhoods wasn’t it? 🤔😬
Sorry don’t mean to derail.

That may be so but my father didn't have any other contact with me apart from that. For the short periods of time I was with him, all he did was spend time with his friends.

When he died and left my money I instructed his solicitor to give it to the woman he'd lived with for most of my life. I didn't want a penny from him. It was his time that I wanted.

OP posts:
3luckystars · 29/07/2022 03:38

Have you considered getting assessments for your children and maybe yourself?

I could be totally wrong but quite a few things in your post sound like your son has asd. It sounds like his dad might have had it too and maybe even yourself? Just when you say how lonely you were, and how difficult communication is. I think it’s worth checking out anyway,

apologies if I got that totally wrong and hope things improve for you.

Oblomov22 · 29/07/2022 04:17

I'm sorry to derail with my lighthearted quip about a packet of cheese and onion OP.

But. Moving on, you've had really good advice. What have you decided to do? Talk to dc? Get counselling yourself? How are you going to address the core issues?

BlueWhaleBay · 29/07/2022 04:35

Forget buying them stuff, invest in yourself. My advice would be to get some coaching/mentoring with parenting teens, some therapy for yourself so you can learn to be more assertive and aware of your own needs, start something physical like swimming or yoga, and spend more time with friends.

Your daughter’s behaviour sounds normal for her age. It’s tricky because they can be horribly rude but they are still your precious child. That’s why it’s so important to do things for yourself, you need strength to deal with their demanding behaviour!

Your son sounds very arrogant. It’s great that he’s achieving well but his attitude will hinder him socially so I’d encourage you to tackle that. Quit doing things for him.
I mean, he knows everything after all so I am sure he can do those things for himself.

TeaWithPaddington · 29/07/2022 05:48

Hi,
Sorry for the late reply. I'm still on holiday but fly back to the UK tomorrow. I'm relieved tbh! I do feel, however, as if I haven't had a break and I'm straight back into work next week. I've tried to make the best of it but both kids have been 'trying' to say the least. Fair enough, like someone said, I've rewarded them with an £8k holiday, however this holiday was more for me than them so if I'd deprived them of it then I'd have also missed out. I work hard enough and have had a really rough couple of years so wanted something to look forward to although I'd have much preferred to have come with an adult rather than 2 annoying kids! The youngest has already asked to go to New York at Christmas!! Errrrm - no! I'm not going to. My eldest is going away with friends (Canary Islands) next week so straight after we get back. And, their dad is apparently taking them to France and Spain for two weeks in August (I have one of these weeks off so I'm going to do something for me, even if just odd days out here and there).

I feel that I do need therapy of some sort and maybe should've invested money in that rather than a holiday but I guess I saw the holiday as therapy. I'm also a very proud, private person so tend to deal with things myself, as best I can. I am (and have been for two years) paying my solicitor £250 and hour which is also costing me a fortune plus paying all bills on the family home and a gardener (I can't manage the garden on top of work, housework etc). I had applied for a divorce under the impression it would be quick but things got complicated with the finances.

As for my marriage. I was naive and inexperienced when I married him. We married really cheaply in a registry office and spent money on a trip to America. We both liked travelling but that was where our connection ended. Lack of affection and attraction led to a sexless marriage of over a decade (my doing) and I realised we just didn't connect and the marriage was nothing more than a friendship. Trying to save him from getting hurt, I lived with it only to hurt myself. I won't go into details but I started to really struggle and had no choice but to end it. I woke up. I never wanted my children to come from a broken home, as I did, but it wasn't fair on me, or him, to continue. I was deeply unhappy and, looking back, realise that there was no love/affection/intimacy in our marriage. In the end, communication stopped too.

I'm really going to change things when Om home. First thing that I need to do is get this divorce on the move and try to get him to make a better offer (he stands to get most of the assets) as I have lost out working part time for years and I have the youngest 100%. I'm worried about needing another mortgage at my age. He won't need one. I'm also feeling, and have been feeling like this since I filed for divorce, like I'm living in limbo and can't move on. I will have to sell the family home regardless of whether I get more or not. It's too big for just the two of us (if the eldest goes in the forces) and I want a fresh start anyway. I really need to get this sorted. His solicitor seems better than mine. My solicitor is trying to avoid it going to court due to costs and time required but is pushing me to accept a rubbish offer. So, I think I will speak to another solicitor when I get home to see what's what and try to get this open book closed!
I'm going to insist the 18 year old does something in September whether it be the forces, a job or university. I'm also going to clamp down on the 14 year old and stop giving into her so much. If she goes in a mood then so be it. I do worry as she messages her dad to pick her up when she is in a mood with me so feel she is blackmailing me.

I'm going to get out and away for a bit away from them where I can. I need a break. I have felt trapped for so long and it isn't fair. I'm not living my life. I've worked hard to provide nice things for others, and take care of others but no-one does it for me. The eldest has just asked for a cup of tea and expected me to do it. I said no. He won't make it himself.

I'm fed up of moody behaviour and a feeling of entitlement from both of them. Both are lazy. It's draining me.

I feel very bitter about the fact that my marriage was pretty dead for years and I've missed out on a passionate, loving relationship with someone. I feel trapped and unable to move forward. I found my childhood hard. My mother was hard work.

Someone mentioned ASD. I think
My stbxh has some form or autism that has gone undetected. His behaviour and characteristics point to it. It's only recently that I have become aware that this is probably the route of the problem (however, I will admit that the age gap was an issue eventually and we were on different planets a lot of the time). I feel like my life has been suppressed for a long, long time even though I've been successful professionally. It's time to change.

OP posts:
TeaWithPaddington · 29/07/2022 05:51

*root

OP posts:
Festoonlights · 29/07/2022 06:21

Book the counselling as soon as your back. You are carrying around a lot of resentment and disappointment, unless you work through it - it’s very likely to spill over into your relationship with your children.
Your children will be adults one day and things won’t be so hard.
Why not plan something lovely for your week off? It sounds like both dc are away a lot, so you will have time to relax.

kateandme · 29/07/2022 06:57

TeaWithPaddington · 29/07/2022 05:51

*root

You be started thinking op.thta a great start.
Now you've got to follow through.
If sit your two down if you can though
Be a bit vulnerable and honest.they are too old now to really talked at and told what to do.especially after a life of not having to they might rally against it purely over the shock.so a takeaway and an adult conversation might be better.
Lime saying you need help.youve been doing everything for so lo g and you kids are old enough now to see we shouldn't be going on like this.and we should be trying to help each other out more and do thing for each other equally.and that includes (name the list chores etc)
Tell them you've found it hard because you wanted to give them everything you never had.bit In doing so have become tired and lost yourself.and feel like they don't appreciate it?
Give them some thing to really think about.if they are good kids they should.
Then say there will need to be equal help from now on.you want to have help with cooking a few times a week they will be in some charge of tea.chores rtf.get them in on side whilst also being vulnerable bit whilst also being really bloody firm.the parent. You could say even you no they might not like this new rules bit for your own sanity and there s you all need to step up as a team.
Because you could make a really good team if this can be worked trhoguh.it doesn't need to mean u have to start screaming at them to do their chores.theu are old enough to be wiser than that now.

kateandme · 29/07/2022 07:00

But do try to get some help.i think this type of behaviour from you and the way you relate to people and emotions and things will carry on if you can't heal from what happened to you.you deserve that.those neural pathways have been formed since it childhood after what went on for you.you need help and little techniques to 're wire them.and see how things can be without the burden of your hurts or fears.

HannahDefoesTrenchcoat · 29/07/2022 07:48

It sounds like you’ve been doing loads of thinking. It’s hard after a lifetime of “self last” to even begin to think about what to do differently. This isn’t a criticism at all. the breast abscess experience which was really horrible shows how you have been in a groove of not troubling anyone with your own needs. The abscess would have been natural but difficult consequences of his behaviour for your son.

the divorce sounds so hard and so stuck. Ideally you’d both come out with no or little mortgage. I think your idea of yourself in a new smaller place that is yours is good.

Keep talking to us if it helps At all

rookiemere · 29/07/2022 07:59

@TeaWithPaddington definitely do something nice with your teen free week off work. Even a UK break could be highly enjoyable. Nice little cottage with walks in the countryside and pub dinners. Maybe a hot tub.

Joyfuldays · 29/07/2022 08:11
  • Book counselling
  • Sell house
  • choose house with fewer demands
  • make holiday choices as a team and no £8k hols in future
That is a good start. My hol has been kind of saved with a good talk about functioning as a team but it’s still hard & im still walking on eggshells. But I tell them I’m listening to their needs - eg dd asked for taxi on way home, I make sure they know I’m listening.

Mine text their father, too… it’s hard but I let it drop. Sometimes i can get him on board, usually he just patronises me as well as them, but I just reminder I’m divorced now & separate..

Get that divorce & house move sorted! You are not there yet.

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