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DS 16 so troubled

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SheilaMoon · 26/07/2021 12:29

Please only post if you have had similar experiences or can offer support. I feel completely broken. Here’s a bit of background

I have 3 children, DS 16 is the eldest. He has always been difficult, defiant uncompromising, refusing to follow instructions etc. My husband (dad to all 3) died when he was little.

He had problems in primary school, messing around, not listening etc, he got worse at secondary, refused to engage, became disruptive. I found he had tried smoking at 12, I was very cross and disappointed, took his phone away, stopped pocket money etc.

By 14 he was a complete school refuser, I met frequently with school, they were supportive and helpful. He had a reduced timetable and was placed in a separate part of the school due to being disruptive, sometimes he went, sometimes he didn’t. He started experimenting with weed, I went mad, again stopped money and took away his phone. This didn’t work, he just borrowed money from friends and racked up debts which I paid off because I was so scared of the consequences. He didn’t seem to care about the phone and it seemed worse for me as I obviously couldn’t contact him if he was out. If I grounded him he would escape through windows and tip toe along the roof.

He started to become angry, had outbursts, punching mirrors wrecking his room the more I tried to maintain control and parent him, the worse he became. I was collecting him whilst my younger child was in the car. He suddenly went mad and started punching the top of the car and grabbed the steering wheel. My younger children were upset and scared. I pulled over and made him walk home (we weren’t far). He continued to be violent and pushed me over and started grabbing me by the neck and squeezing when I tried to discipline him. I called the police eventually and social services put me in touch with local agencies for support. I went on parenting courses and had regular visits from local agencies. Every strategy was effective for a little bit then he reverted back to his old ways.

By 15 I just took a back step and thought, this child cannot and will not be parented. I spoke to him calmly about the effect his behaviours had on me and his siblings, my concern with his risky life style. He broke down and said he just couldn’t control his anger. He felt angry and sad all the time. I booked him with a therapist but he refused to engage so it was a waste of time.

He’s now 16, although we have a good relationship and he controls his anger I am sick with worry about his lifestyle. I know he smokes weed, I hate all drugs but he tells me it’s how he helps him cope and it ‘chills’ him. I spoke about my concern over harder drugs which he assures me he has absolutely no interest in he referred to other drugs as ‘dirty’ and wouldn’t put them in his body.

He knows teens who work for county lines. I was horrified, he told me how they earn over £500 per week but had to pay for their own train fare and it wasn’t worth the risk of getting caught, adding how they would be ruining their life.

I’m writing this post in some hope that there are other parents who have been through similar and maybe offer some support. I have no family and no longer any friends due to his behaviour

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Cailleach · 26/07/2021 12:34

Has he ever been assessed for ADHD? Or ASD? Unfortunately a lot of these behaviours - especially self-medicating with drugs - are very common with neurological disorders.

SheilaMoon · 26/07/2021 12:36

@Cailleach

Has he ever been assessed for ADHD? Or ASD? Unfortunately a lot of these behaviours - especially self-medicating with drugs - are very common with neurological disorders.
He refused to engage the first time, second time they refused to assess him as he had been smoking weed 😕
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Bryonyshcmyony · 26/07/2021 12:38

Have you looked into ODD

SheilaMoon · 26/07/2021 13:04

@Bryonyshcmyony

Have you looked into ODD
Yes in fact it was suggested by one of the people who used to visit me. I try and focus on rewards and acknowledgement for any positive behaviours rather than try and punish bad behaviours. I currently apply this to my relationship/ parenting style. I think I accept I can’t change him, just feel so incredibly fearful for his future. I keep expecting police to knock my door saying he’s died
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Christmasfairy2020 · 26/07/2021 13:26

If he is affecting younger kids I'd ring ss and say he needs to be rehoused

SheilaMoon · 26/07/2021 14:07

@Christmasfairy2020

If he is affecting younger kids I'd ring ss and say he needs to be rehoused
He hasn’t had any angry outbursts for a long time and i think ringing SS to get him rehoused will send him further down a spiral. His behaviour at home is not really an issue, my main concern is his risky behaviours outside of the home and the people he knows and mixes with. I think he needs his home as a safe place and me as a constant in his life. Although he is 16, he is quite immature and like to think he still needs his mum.
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Bryonyshcmyony · 26/07/2021 14:10

OP, my brother was similar. I'm not going to lie, he had some very difficult times in his twenties. Now in his late thirties he still lives at home with my parents, looks after them and has a job he enjoys. He is totally sober and has really turned his life around. There is hope.

SheilaMoon · 26/07/2021 14:13

@Bryonyshcmyony

OP, my brother was similar. I'm not going to lie, he had some very difficult times in his twenties. Now in his late thirties he still lives at home with my parents, looks after them and has a job he enjoys. He is totally sober and has really turned his life around. There is hope.
That’s good to hear, thank you for sharing that
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Imapotato · 26/07/2021 17:26

He sounds a lot like me at that age, I was less violent, but probably more into drugs.

I had to figure it out for myself, I wouldn’t have listened to anyone. Rest assured I’m now a fully functioning adult with a professional job. Hopefully your son will figure it out for himself too, but it may take a bit of time. Just be there for him.

Moonface123 · 26/07/2021 17:39

Why is nobody mentioning the fact his father died, when he was young ?
This could be the reason he's an angry young man.
There is not a lot of support for children who lose a parent, they are just expected to get on with it, and it's hardly spoken about.
Anger is a sympton of grief.

Smartiepants79 · 26/07/2021 18:00

Can I ask if you trust what he says?
Because some of what he has said to you actually sounds quite sensible - no to hard drugs and no to county line dealing etc
It’s clear you still have a lot of concerns about him but it sounds like there are some positive changes? Improved anger management etc.??? I may be wrong so apologies if I’ve misunderstood.
I agree that there are factors at play here that appear not be being dealt with - grief, possible SEN? You sound like a good, loving mum though. I’m sure you’ll get him through.

SheilaMoon · 26/07/2021 18:24

Thank you all for replying.

The grief troubles me as I don’t think I really dealt with things very well, they were all so little I didn’t really know what to say to them. I just tried to explain that Daddy wasn’t here with us anymore and had gone to heaven and I tried to just carry on as normal as I thought routine was important, maybe that wasn’t a good idea though. I would also be there for them at all times, over compensated by ensuring they had my undivided attention etc. As they have got older I try and talk about their Dad and include him conversations to test the water and see if it leads anywhere e.g if there’s a particular film on I’d say something like your Dad really liked this film, or if we pass somewhere in the car I’d say oh me and Dad used to really like going there. We have a tree in the garden which is planted in his memory and I often ask if they want to come to the cemetery to place fresh flowers at the grave. I feel the others accompany me out of duty and feel they are supporting me. DS just goes quiet and withdraws so yes, quite possibly angry with grief. More importantly how can I help him? If he refuses to talk or open up I guess just give him space?

There are some positive changes such as he is less angry and yes I do trust him about harder drugs (although obviously can’t be 100%). I am grateful he is open and talks to me a lot (when it suits him), but am honestly quite horrified with the people he seems to know and the level of knowledge he has about the world of drugs. Another positive is he starts a part time job on Monday next week in a ware house so fingers crossed that will be good for him.

I’m not sure he has SEN as he’s never been formally assessed due to refusal to comply but I believe he suffers from extreme anxiety. E.g if he calls me to collect him although I leave straight away and he’s never less than 10 minutes away he will call me again to check I’ve left, then again to ask where I am, how long I will be. If I pop out he will call me and ask where I am, when I’ll be back, a sense of urgency in his voice. I always say, I won’t be long is everything ok? He’ll then respond with yes, I just didn’t know where you were.

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Smartiepants79 · 26/07/2021 18:38

Anxiety about where you are could again stem from the loss of his father.
Is he aware that counselling is an option for when he is ready?
I’m sure you have done the best you could for them you were grieving too.
At the risk of repeating myself it does sound like there’s some real positives for him right now - a job? That’s brilliant!
Hopefully he will slowly see that the good choices bring good things and with maturity the poor choices will become less and less.

SheilaMoon · 26/07/2021 18:38

Forgot to add (not sure if it’s relevant) but his emotions are quite extreme, he’s either sullen and withdrawn or very jovial (I guess all teens can be a bit like this). I got a family dog about 5 years ago. We all love him, but the dog naturally was drawn to DS 16, they have a real bond. They’ll sleep together, DS 16 walks him and the dog will sit at the window waiting for him to come home when he’s out. DS 16 really loves the fact that he is the dogs favourite person and gives him so much fuss, he really adores the dog. It’s so nice that he can be so withdrawn one minute then suddenly go all gooey with the dog, it’s like he’s a different person.

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SheilaMoon · 26/07/2021 18:51

@Smartiepants79

Anxiety about where you are could again stem from the loss of his father. Is he aware that counselling is an option for when he is ready? I’m sure you have done the best you could for them you were grieving too. At the risk of repeating myself it does sound like there’s some real positives for him right now - a job? That’s brilliant! Hopefully he will slowly see that the good choices bring good things and with maturity the poor choices will become less and less.
Thank you so much, you really have made me feel better, yes I often remind him he can speak to someone other than me. He just closes up and say he doesn’t want to talk to anyone as he doesn’t have anything to say. When I gently push him and say he seems to be having some issues/ negative feelings he just says no he doesn’t and it’s everyone else that has issues and a problem with him (myself included).
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imip · 26/07/2021 18:56

Yes, I would suggest ASD or ADHD also - given the school refusal and anger. Obv with grief also. It is difficult when they won’t engage with cahms also.

vdbfamily · 26/07/2021 19:07

He sounds very like my daughter who agreed 18 had at least been assessed for ADHD this week. Inability to regulate emotion is a bit thing. Does he calm down really fast after Angry outbursts and behave like nothing happened? It has surprised me how poor schools are at picking up stuff like this. One teacher just told me she was annoying and disruptive. It frustrates me now as she thinks she has flunked her a levels.

SheilaMoon · 26/07/2021 19:28

@vdbfamily

He sounds very like my daughter who agreed 18 had at least been assessed for ADHD this week. Inability to regulate emotion is a bit thing. Does he calm down really fast after Angry outbursts and behave like nothing happened? It has surprised me how poor schools are at picking up stuff like this. One teacher just told me she was annoying and disruptive. It frustrates me now as she thinks she has flunked her a levels.
Yes exactly - he’s absolutely fine one minute then will fly in a rage over something trivial, like he can’t see where his phone is or if he can’t find a certain pair of trainers. I try and explain that a more effective strategy is to calmly and logically think about where the most likely place is and I say it won’t be far. This just seems to make him more angry, we’ll always find what he’s looking for within p like 30 seconds (because it’s always right under his nose!) . He Will then act like nothing has happened and start a normal conversation like ‘what’s for tea?’. He’s completely irrational and logic doesn’t seem to be part of his thought process at all.

He also has no tolerance or patience, if he can’t do something immediately he will just have a strop and (whatever it is) is really stupid. The amount of hobbies I’ve tried to engage him in is a lot! But he’d rather just complain he has nothing to do or is always bored. I remember when he was little he couldn’t sit through a whole film for example, he’d fidget and complain about something.

He also has no coordination and basically breaks everything (mostly accidental). I bought him a new fan only yesterday and a few hours later he had bent the base because he had trodden on it awkwardly- but if you try and tell him off he’ll just get angry.

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imip · 26/07/2021 19:58

That could also be dyspraxia, OP. It feels like there is more going on. I have come to the conclusion that where something ‘troubled’ is going on, there is usually more going on.

vdbfamily · 26/07/2021 22:47

These things are all connected. Dyspraxia, ADHD, they are to do with dopamine levels and the risky behaviour that comes with ADHD is just to try and create a buzz. It sometimes feels like the outbursts are also to create some excitement but as a parent they leave you feeling you are stuck in an abusive relationship that you cannot walk away from. One thing I learnt early on when I consulted a health visitor about her rages was not to start intervening with threats and consequences as she has little control in the moment. We always discuss things when she is calm. When raging we do not escalate and get ourselves to a safe place! I think you need to seek assessment as the way my DD is at present and unmedicated, I worry she will be abusive within a relationship.

Amventure · 26/07/2021 23:04

Hi I really suggest you look at attachment difficulties if you haven’t already considering his loss at an early age. All of the things you describe would fit perfectly and it can present very similarly to asd and adhd. You can look at the Coventry grid which shows the differences between attachment and asd. Really worth a look. Offering therapy and him knowing it’s there when he’s ready is the best idea. I have worked and lived with teens presenting with attachment for years and some can take years to accept that it would help but appreciate the offer. If he has never dealt with his loss then this will be the main reason for his anger etc and the reason he is trying to see where he fits in the world. Your love for him shines through and in the end that will be what is most important for him good luck ❤️

PieceOfString · 26/07/2021 23:13

Growing up in brief is difficult because each stage of development brings its own firm of loss of that relationship. From not having three to tuck you in when you're small to not being there to slowing you how to shave when you're older. So the grieving process is refreshed in its own way as the child's awareness and development gives them a fresh perspective on it.
Boys particularly can be very avoidant about the feelings this causes and can put a lot of effort into escaping them, but the feelings have to come out somehow.
You sound like an ace mum and he sings like a lovely lad at heart. In your position I'd be really keen to find a specialist counsellor who understands grief in youngsters growing up. Sorry I can't signpost you myself but there are charities for bereaved children who would probably be a good starting point. Flowers

thebeesknees123 · 26/07/2021 23:36

Dd17 is similar in that she doesn't respond well to threats - they tend to escalate things - and has been extremely hard to parent. She also has anger issues and regularly breaks things.

The root of it is definitely anxiety and low self esteem. She has been in and out of the system since birth and we are currently getting her reassessed for ADHD as CAMHS suspected it 3 years ago but she didn't tick all the boxes on the school's form so the diagnosis didn't happen at that time

Ifeelmuchlessfat · 27/07/2021 10:12

I think you sound like the best mum he could have - you’re thinking about why he behaves the way he does and are sympathetic to the cause whilst trying to help him.
Both the job and his attitude towards his dog give you cause for optimism. I would only add - try to boost his opinion of himself as much as possible, as increased confidence can only help him and widen his ambitions for himself.
But honestly, maturity will help too, and if he knows he has your love and support then hopefully he will grow out of much of this.
You sound like you’re doing your best.

Spinachtastegud · 30/07/2021 20:35

I echo Ifeelmuchlessfat.....he's lucky he's got you as his mum

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