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Help for depressed teen

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Sara2000 · 07/09/2020 03:21

Ive posted about DD a few times before so some of this maybe familiar. But , Dd aged 14 admitted to me at the weekend that she is self harming again and sometimes thinks of suicide,but just talks herself 'out of it'. She also said she thinks she has ADHD.

What practical things can I do to help?

I have contacted CAMHS , but I didn't find them that helpful when we first spoke to them 18 months ago. Back then I got her referred via our GP after she told me she was self harming. We saw them once and then they referred her for an ASD assessment which came back as her having autistic 'traits'. She admitted at the weekend that she had tried to kill herself at that time, although I didnt know that at the time. She had a few private counselling sessions and then told us she felt better and rather naively , I thought we had moved on.

But, shes now telling me she feels as bad, if not worse than then. She hides her feelings well, so as awful as this sounds theres part of me that wonders if shes exaggerating to get a reaction. Blush But then again , I don't want to take any risks especially as she talks about suicide. How do you unravel how much is teen angst and over dramatising and how much is real?

She has asked me not to tell DH, which for now I have agreed to under the condition that I will have to at some point when shes ready. He tends to roll his eyes when she get all 'doom and gloom ' which she has a tendency to do. She always catastrophises and thinks the worse. Ie, When I go and meet friends she always tells me to be careful in case I crash the car.

She seems 'happy'. I have never been depressed like this, is it normal for those closest to you to miss it? She was very tearful when she told me what has been going on but claims up when I ask questions to try and work out how serious this is. Should I hold off on the questions?

I am taking her to and from school at the moment which is a chance to talk. Not that she often does. I am also getting her out for dog walks everyday. She has spent the last 5 months mostly in her room avoiding social contact. Now, shes back ar school which I am hoping will help. But she hates school and always has done. I have agreed not to involve the school , because to be honest they weren't helpful last time. They offered no help at all. Just said they would let all her teachers know that she wasnt allowed to go to the loo in class time in case she SH in the toilet! And told me to hide all the scissors in the house.Hmm. No counselling or pastoral care offered.

I am thinking of getting her out more as well. Her whole social life is online.

Should I get a private psychiatrist assessment done?

Dd thinks she has ADHD. I dont know about that , but she certainly may have something. She's always struggled socially , very sensitive to others feelings , sensory issues paired with constant complaints of achey joints. Should I pursue a diagnosis or try and deal with the depression first?
As you can see , I am awake in the early hours. If you have been through this and didnt have anyone in real life you could speak to, where God you get help? I am so worried I am going to walk in her room and find her dead. I cant get my head round where it must have gone wrong. Sad

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Sara2000 · 07/09/2020 03:24

I meant 'did'not 'God'.Smile

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cheeseycharlie · 07/09/2020 04:55

This is every parent's nightmare. I'm afraid I don't have any meaningful advice but wanted to reach out and offer a virtual hug.... it's the middle of the night and you're clearly worried out of your mind.
She's struggling but at least she has an engaged and supportive parent in her arsenal, which is a start.
Others will be along with more advice and guidance soon. For now I'll hold your worries until morning so you can restThanks

Sara2000 · 07/09/2020 06:55

Thank you. That is the most lovely message to wake up to. I will admit to welling up. Just trying so hard to hold it in and be ok as DH still doesnt know.

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Sara2000 · 07/09/2020 06:58

Sorry, my posts are long. But she told me she has been feeling this way for about a year on and off. So, whilst covid may have made it worse it's not the cause. Just realised I forgot that.

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cheeseycharlie · 07/09/2020 10:41

Bump. Anyone? Hmm

Bromley4ever · 07/09/2020 11:39

Suicidal thoughts need addressing with a health care professional urgently (take her to the GP), she may not do anything but they are a symptom of deep pain even if it's something she's going to do right now. Sounds as if you need to get another referral to CAMHS and get her some more therapy to get her through this period, even if online. Giving her the odd 'mental health day' off school might also give you a chance to support her directly if you can. The ASD thing is something that's worth further exploring as well, as it adds a layer of challenge and complexity to anyone's life especially teens, when it often gets recognised for the first time, and can be the reason behind hating school - plus if she is on the spectrum, you both can get a huge amount of support from support groups/orgs like the National Autistic Society. If you have a good GP you can also explore that with them. How about speaking to the school SENCO, are they good with autism/mental health generally? Tread carefully though, In my experience teens with ASD often do not want it bandied about as public knowledge and prefer to go under the radar, if you go against that it could make things worse so the key thing is getting help for the suicidal thoughts first and foremost. Good luck and all the best x

Bromley4ever · 07/09/2020 11:42

Sorry I've gone off all ASD when you said she thinks she has ADHD. My advice would be similar though if she has ADHD, there are voluntary organisations and support groups for both conditions. Good luck!!

Bromley4ever · 07/09/2020 11:51

Also this excellent organisation has a helpline youngminds.org.uk/?gclid=CjwKCAjwtNf6BRAwEiwAkt6UQrpS0HarhYdva5BPsqdBdfpNXRUUYH7MvUKeFvOqt6hZ1mbK8JcCOxoCnlQQAvD_BwE

Bromley4ever · 07/09/2020 12:02

Sorry (being a bit Inspector Columbo here), one more thing. You have done what you could, do not beat up on yourself. Our teenagers grow up in a digital world. We did not choose it, they did not choose it, but it is extra tough for them and can make anxiety worse. Yes, getting her tech free and outdoors every now and then will do her the world of good but don't expect it to be easy. I sometimes take my DS to a local park, allow him to bring the phone, hoping he'll look up from it every now and then! The walk and exercise and being out still does some good.

Sara2000 · 07/09/2020 14:33

Thank you so much. To be honest, I think ASD is more likely than ADHD. She was tested for it last year and was very close to meeting the diagnosis threshold. She has a number of sensory issues , finds friendships very difficult , but has a small lovely group of friends now. She prefers her online friends who she games with as I suspect the social side is easier to navigate. I havent heard back from CAMHS but will try the GP if I don't hear in the next few days. It's so hard , because one minute shes telling me she had been thinking of killing herself and the next shes playing with the dog. Confused

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Bromley4ever · 07/09/2020 20:43

Yes perhaps she is aware she is a bit different to peers and turns that in on herself. I was hoping my ASD teen would learn to love his quirks and uniqueness as we do, sadly it's not happened yet, but he is relatively happy now having been in a really bad place, which is all one can hope for, and I hope she gets to that place with the right help and support for you both.

Sara2000 · 07/09/2020 20:59

I've had another chat with her which is really difficult as she gives particles of information and then clams up. But she has admitted that she has daily intrusive thoughts of killing herself. She said it's been like this for years and has got worse in the last few months. She is also self harming on a daily basis. Sad I have been reading the Young Minds website and think she may have OCD. Is it possible to have obsessive intrusive thoughts about suicide but no rituals? Although she said she deals with it by self harming which she's doing by digging her nails in so no long lasting marks. I guess that bit might be the 'complusive' behaviour.

CAMHS didnt come back to me so I am going to call my GP and ask for an urgent re-referral. I am glad I know what's going on even though its killing me. I am hoping things will settle for her with schools back. I wonder if I should just go for a private psychiatrist assessment ? I feel helpless.

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Bromley4ever · 08/09/2020 07:03

She has you in her corner which is brilliant. In my experience ASD and OCD can go together and a diagnosis of OCD is primarily about unwanted thoughts. OCD can be treated with counselling like CBT, as it's a mental health issue like depression, anxiety etc, there are even books you can get to help, there's one called 'What to do when your thoughts get stuck' for smaller kids. If she is autistic it's just how her brain works but there is lots of help out there and loads of successful people are the same (e.g. Greta Thunberg). I don't know anything about going private I'm afraid, perhaps the YM helpline might be able to advise or point you in the right direction or wait for the GP?

Standrewsschool · 08/09/2020 07:07

Was going to suggest Young Minds also,

magnarocks · 08/09/2020 07:14

I've heard this is a valuable resource:

parentingmentalhealth.com

cheeseycharlie · 08/09/2020 09:50

Lots of the advice in this thread is taking a medical/diagnosis sort of angle... on a different tack, I thought these resources provide good guidance for people in the support network of the suicidal person:

www.papyrus-uk.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/001225-SPOT-THE-SIGNS-A4-SIZE.pdf
"By asking someone directly about suicide, you give them permission to tell you how they feel. People who have felt suicidal will often say what a huge relief it was to be able to talk about what they were experiencing.

Plus, once someone starts talking, they’ve got a better chance of discovering options that aren't suicide"

#TalkSuicide is a suicide prevention campaign. They offer free suicide prevention training, which includes tools and guidance to build confidence to speak about suicide: talksuicide.co.uk/

Papyrus also offers a ‘Conversation Starters’ guide on how to start a conversation about suicide with someone you may be worried about: papyrus-uk.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Conversation-Starters-1.pdf

Myths vs Facts image file attached is good, reminded me of some positive steps to take - eg suicidal person doesn't want to die, they just don't want to live the life they have - so this opens up an avenue to explore with them.

Good luck, it's so hard being a teen/young adult today.

Help for depressed teen
cheeseycharlie · 08/09/2020 09:53

Sorry I didn't properly catch up on thread before posting, have now seen your update. Daily self harm could warrant a trip to A&E which would surely mobilise the correct urgent support for her from mental health services? As I've said before I don't have expertise in this, but I'd have thought that would be how it works.
Wising you both strength and love to get through this. She is lucky to have you.

Sara2000 · 08/09/2020 22:20

Thank you to you all. The resources about suicide were really interesting as I've had to ask her some very direct questions in the last few days and its treasured me thats not the worse thing. I managed to speak to the GP who was amazing and referred her to tier 3 CAMHS. She was under tier 2 last year and he was clearly a bit miffed to see despite scoring quite highly for depression and anxiety that they discharged her once they had completed the ASD test.

She has shown me some cuts on her wrist tonight which are a few days old. Shock I feel shocking as I have been awake for 2 nights in a row from 2-4 and DH still doesnt know. I need to get to that when DD is ready. I cant believe this is happening.

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Sara2000 · 08/09/2020 22:24

I meant reassured, not treasured.The GP has asked me to note everything as CAMHs are calling me tomorrow. I thought she didnt have compulsions, but she does. If you touch her arm she has to rub the feeling away and she orders things on shop shelves sometimes.

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magnarocks · 08/09/2020 23:04

You're doing a fantastic job @Sara2000 ThanksWine(don't know if you drink!)

Sara2000 · 08/09/2020 23:12

I dont drink much , just the odd one. Dd has made a mess of her arm so I have just out some anti bac cream on. That's got to be a parenting low. Sad She seems to have stepped it up a notch and I'm not sure whether its because shes back at school or because we are talking about it and her emotions are closer to the surface. School is a massive issue for her but I really dont want her sliding into refusing to go.

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Sara2000 · 08/09/2020 23:13

Very tempted to give her the day off tomorrow but I think I will struggle to get her back .

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1WildTeaParty · 09/09/2020 00:03

Thinking of you and your daughter-wishing you both some rest tonight.

Thanks
Sara2000 · 09/09/2020 06:00

Been awake since 4 . My heart is pounding and I feel like my nervous system is in overdrive. I have no idea how I will get through today and work. Sad

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1WildTeaParty · 09/09/2020 13:34

It sounds as if you do need to talk to someone (DH?) in real life.

I know that she asked you not to... but this is important. You are a human being and need help with the giant things in life - just as she does.

You could ask your daughter's permission so that you can talk to DH if he is the best support. She might prefer you to tell to him.

In any case, for her sake as well as your own, you are going to need help yourself.

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