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Parenting teenagers has its ups and downs. Get advice from Mumsnetters here.

Too late imposing boundaries but with good reason......

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SoggyMess · 21/09/2019 18:10

Firstly I'd like some advice: I suspect a lot of the issues I'm going through with my 17y7m DS are covered in the long thread about holding the end of the rope.... to get the most/best feedback from peeps should I stick to this thread or post in there too? (Mumsnet virgin!)
To attempt to cut a loooong story shortish:
Partner died 2y7m ago, a week before DS's 15th birthday. Pancreatic cancer, not properly diagnosed until the week before he died. DS & I lived in Spain, partner plied to and fro. Discovered at his deathbed that he hadn't signed his new Will, which would have made me main beneficiary. We had recently renewed our engagement. He intended to marry me to sort our finances apart from anything else.
DS & I then had to move from Spain to UK, he had to move school, leave all friends he'd had for years, the home he'd known since age 5, change lifestyle/weather/etc. We discovered rather soon that he'd had a second relationship on the go, with a woman 10 years older than me, a near neighbour, who I thought was just a friend (although I had challenged him on it). DS had been asked by his dad to keep quiet about a photo he once accidentally saw of them together/kissing/whatever.

Having been a stay at home mum all his life, I had to find work. His much loved Gran had started to descent deep into Alzheimer's. The legal fight for money ensued.
Not surprisingly he tried a few weeks at his new school but ultimately pretty much dropped out though thankfully the school was superb and with help from them and the Family Support Worker he was kept on roll and at the end of the GCSE year he was entered for six and despite only really having studied for a term and a bit in Spain plus very few weeks in the UK, he passed them all, no worse than a Grade 4. So.…. entered the local college to do A levels, didn't like the attitude of other students and the reliance on PowerPoint by one teacher. All but dropped out. Allowed to continue to just do the one A level he was excelling at (Spanish) & to re-apply for different subjects this term.
Now, two weeks in, he's had yet another crisis and after about a week of a mix of ignoring me, arguing, saying he really does want to continue learning, saying he wants to drop out and work in a fish and chip shop full time and increase his fitness routine & rugby,he's gone the whole hog and messaged his tutor he's not coming back. This seems to be directly related to me taking his car keys because he wasn't listening to me, continues to do zero help around the house, blah blah usual 17 year old stuff.
I suppose partly I want to know if I'm being TOO speedy in imposing fairly harsh changes, or if it's my own fault it's coming back to bite me in the bum because I've been too soft for too long during his long period of depression/insomnia/IBS/gaming after his dad died and when he wasn't going to school.

Ok I won't type any longer but I'm not even sure if I've given the full picture of how unhappy/mixed up/etc I am.
He has a much older half bro/sis. Brother is trying to help but exasperated.

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SoggyMess · 24/09/2019 11:03

Thank you all.
I can see that although no-one is blaming, my anxiety & tendency to react about the whole rollercoaster isn't helping albeit I have the best of intentions.
By way of update: No, he didn't go to college yesterday. His reason was the same as when he was seriously struggling a year or so ago - he was up early, all fine, then just didn't go. Possibly related to his 9am tutor having emailed her absence within the hour before college, but either way no huge surprise.
He has apparently been in communication with the mentoring group I mentioned, as recently as Friday, planning to go to their weekend event. I've told the group if he confirms then yes I'm more than happy to pay. His tutor has been in touch with me re speaking to him which suggests he never sent the email to her saying he was stopping college. so...………...
Right now what I want to do is canvass thoughts about a fairly specific aspect of the whole thing.
As I've said, I told him I would continue paying the car insurance for the year on three conditions - no more house damage, better communication from both of us and the one that's possibly the deal-breaker, the most difficult one, which is that he tidies up after himself and helps around the house if asked. I take on board some things said: that I should give myself permission to say 'I need to think' before imposing sanctions, saying anything I might regret. He too will definitely benefit from thinking time, however hard it is for me to step back (sorry, but it is - but I'm going to try better from here on). I know just how much he benefits from rugby and would benefit from a regular fitness regime/routine. I accept getting his head together might very well lead him to pick up his education once he's made some decisions. I've even decided it might be more realistic to say to him he has a month to find himself a job, in that time I'll continue to pay for fuel (otherwise he's stuck for getting to rugby, etc) and once that month is up THEN I start the three conditions. Obviously I hope in principle they'll start before, but it seems unfair to suddenly expect him to have a full time job. NB yes, they should be in full-time education til 18 but his birthday is in February and I already know from the family support worker that the truth is the education authority almost never chases.
So all that is progress...….. however the day to day sticking point is the tidying/chores. This is the one which 24/7 has most effect on me even though it's not per se as important as his mental health, future, etc. Someone said he should be given some 'responsibilities' to deal with maybe in a specific time frame rather than immediately I want it done. Ok...ish… But how on earth do I rein in the sheer frustration, disappointment and anger when he (cos I fear he will) leaves a mess in the kitchen, or shoes all over the hall, shambolic sofa with drinks, X box controllers strewn around, etc etc, which has left me doing 98% of everything for two years-plus? Literally HOW? What do I say? Sorry if this makes me seem weak, well right now I feel very weak. I need a script!

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 24/09/2019 13:47

I would not expect him to get a job in a month. Instead you could agree a number of jobs to apply for. My DS has applied for internships and failed to get them, and each application was a heck of a lot of work. And when my DH was made redundant (it's happened a couple of times) applying for work was a full-time job in itself. At 17 your DS may not be able to get full-time work, and I don't even know if he'd be allowed to work in a chipshop at that age for heath & safety reasons. Any kind of job, zero hours, part time, whatever, is a start; but applying for jobs is the real starting point.

If he does not get a paid job after a month or so and isn't in college then he needs to look for some volunteer work instead. Charity shop, sports tutor, whatever. But don't talk to him about that yet. One thing at a time. First he should be looking for paid jobs and applying - if he has dropped out of college, that is. It's not clear to me that he has.

I am not clear at what point he can sign on, everything has changed so much since I was young. When I left school at 18 my mother said I had to sign on and that motivated me to find a job within a fortnight! But things have chnaged so much, I don't even know if a 17 year old can sign on. But as soon as he can sign on then if he doesn't have a job and isn't at school then that should be another condition.

the day to day sticking point is the tidying/chores. This is the one which 24/7 has most effect on me even though it's not per se as important as his mental health, future, etc. Someone said he should be given some 'responsibilities' to deal with maybe in a specific time frame rather than immediately I want it done. Ok...ish… But how on earth do I rein in the sheer frustration, disappointment and anger when he (cos I fear he will) leaves a mess in the kitchen, or shoes all over the hall, shambolic sofa with drinks, X box controllers strewn around, etc etc, which has left me doing 98% of everything for two years-plus? Literally HOW?

A couple of suggestions .... As wll as some regular chores that he controls, can you create zones? Zones like his own room that he can leave as much in a pigsty as he likes? And zones of your own that he can't touch? He can't be in the living room in the daytime if he leaves it a mess. He can use the Xbox in his own room only. I get the impression there's a lack of boundaries between you and him, maybe it's a result of grief but everything little he does over-affects you, and everything you expect over-burdens him. So just some zones and personal space could help.

Also mimimal-effort ways to tidy the shared areas, ways that affect him more than you. Get a big tub, if his shoes are on the hall floor they get chucked in the tub and the tub dumped in his room. His stuff stays in the tub til he takes it out (either in a heap on his bedroom floor or properly put away, his choice). You don't have to look after his stuff better than he does.

One other suggestion, is simple consequences. Not huge lifestyle ones but small immediate logical ones. He's leaving a mess in the kitchen? You don't cook for him in a messy kitchen. If the kitchen is messy then you cook for yourself only that night. And leave his mess lying.

I'm sure things will better Flowers. Small steps.

SoggyMess · 25/09/2019 08:33

The putting things in plastic bins is a goo idea. Leaving his mess less so, because he wouldn't care so I'd end up tidying, which defeats the object.
But if we manage to have a conversation laying out that I will back off & give him space to make adult decisions - but HE has to in turn behave like an adult in all other ways.... Then it could be a lot calmer around the house for most of us. It's figuring all the detail that's doing my head I. Do I accept washing his clothes, drying, maybe even sorting but leave him to put away (but refuse to wash the same clothes if they reappear having spent weeks on the floor?
We almost need a written agreement but I guess he is likely to see that as him still not gaining much control... Even though choice of behaviour is under his control.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 25/09/2019 09:55

It's figuring all the detail that's doing my head I.

Figure out what is easiest for you. He is not a baby and he's capable of deciding whether he wants clean clothes or not. Smile

Do I accept washing his clothes, drying, maybe even sorting but leave him to put away (but refuse to wash the same clothes if they reappear having spent weeks on the floor?

It's easier for me if my DS doesn't do his own laundry, so I run a basket system. If DS's clothes are in his laundry basket I wash and dry them, and later he will get a basket of clean clothes. Up to him to put away. (He can iron his own shirts unless I am feeling extra kind) If clothes are on the floor I will ignore them, clean or dirty. If his laundry basket is empty then nothing gets washed.

But you do not have wash your DS's clothes at all. Ignore them altogether if that's easier for you. Tell him he can put the washing machine on whenever he likes, or else on specific days that work for you and not other days, and be prepared to shrug your shoulders if he says "where's my clean rugby kit". His laundry does not have to be your business, whether it gets done or not.

"Behaving like an adult" means him deciding whether to do his own laundry or not (or whether to put it in the basket or not) and him living with the consequences of not doing it. It means his laundry is his business not yours. "Behaving like an adult" does not have to mean doing his laundry as often as you think an adult should do it.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 25/09/2019 10:32

because he wouldn't care so I'd end up tidying, which defeats the object.

Do not tidy his mess in his space. Well, a thorough clean now and again. Use the binliner process if you like - fair warning, then put everything that's lying on his bedroom floor etc in a binliner and then clean. He gets the binliner to sort. 24 hours later the binliner and anything still inside it gets binned. You don't even have to look at what's still inside (though if you're feeling kind/wicked you could fish out his XBox controller before you chuck out the bag and hide it for a few days Grin).

If you think he has cognitive issues that making sorting hard for him you could offer to go through the binliner with him. But beyond that his (lack of) tidiness needs to be his problem not yours.

SoggyMess · 25/09/2019 13:48

So... I got home from my three days babysitting only to find the kitchen a mess, things exactly where they'd been before I went, the sofas in a state, and DS2 sitting at the X box. Within minutes we were in a bad conversation, and even once I tried to make it clear I'd calmed down and was trying to get his input, he has pretty much blanked me for the past hour. He's done no gym since I went away, says gaming is helping, won't even consider googling how to fix the hole he punched in the wall and couldn't care less if I talk about how continuing to pay for the car insurance is dependent on household stuff. None of this should have come up so soon. I know that. I just can't get to grips with walking into a house I left vaguely tidy, to find he's done nothing bar look after the animals and make a mess.
I now feel as near tears the whole time as before I went away, and the only positive thing I've done is find out yes he's going to the mens' mentoring group weekend (resounding good news) and I've emailed his family support worker to find out if he can be re-referred after six months or more 'off the books'.

Does anyone else spend large parts of the day with a tight chest from anxiety?

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 25/09/2019 15:07

I just can't get to grips with walking into a house I left vaguely tidy, to find he's done nothing bar look after the animals and make a mess.

You've been away for 3 days and left a 17 year old in sole charge? That's brave. And the place hasn't burned down or been used for an almighty drunken party? Be happy! Messy, meh. And he looked after the animals too, so be extra happy. There was a long thread not long ago about kids who'd neglected the pets. He's a good lad.

the only positive thing I've done is find out yes he's going to the ens' mentoring group weekend (resounding good news)

That is very good news. Pity about the gym but never mind. You seem to focus very much on what he hasn't done. C'mon now, glass half full.

Does anyone else spend large parts of the day with a tight chest from anxiety?

Yes, but that's my problem to manage. I worry about my DS, right enough, for different reasons from yours. But my DS could be an angel and it would make no odds to my anxiety. He is not responsible for my emotional wellbeing and it's up to me to manage my own stress and the stress he causes me as best I can (not always very well, I admit)

You really do need to lower your expectations. He's 17 not 35. And manage your own anxiety, maybe with some professional help, otherwise nothing is going to get better until he leaves home. And I'm not being rude - my relationship with my rather over-anxious parents improved a lot after I left home and lived in happy bachelor-girl squalor in a grotty rented flat with another girl my own age, and my Mum didn't have to feel responsible for any of it. Smile

SoggyMess · 25/09/2019 16:14

Thanks @AmaryllisNightAndDay. I may not seem to be learning or taking in anything, but each little nugget which (yes slightly pains me to admit) points out something I could do 'better' is pointing me in the right direction.
Yes he's a good lad. Do I tell him, yes. Often enough, given everything, definitely not.
Has he ever got drunk, yes once - at home, survived about half a bottle of gin without a hangover. Other than that avoids alcohol. No smoking, no drugs I'm aware of.
We just went out for a burger/chat. No, he hasn't definitely given up college though he's still absolutely at sea about how to decide. That's where I'm going to have to work hard to shut up, because every time I say something (like maybe he'd be better off making his decision while staying in the same place, so he doesn't literally lose his place ….. ) he acknowledges/agrees so I get my hopes up. But I do know, and I think I've got him to believe, that I don't want to be pushing him, that I do want to give him space.
We vaguely went into the realms of it being really important that our home relationship is calmer, and made some lists of what we both wanted for ourselves and each other in the next 6 months or so. All healthy stuff, hopefully. He is now (I think, from what he said and from the noises upstairs) doing some tidying in his bedroom!

Fingers crossed I can do what needs doing.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 25/09/2019 20:16

What shines through to me (as a total outsider) is how much you and your DS care about each other. We parents don't have to get everything 100% right, you're doing a lot right already. I'm sure you'll both pull through.

He is now (I think, from what he said and from the noises upstairs) doing some tidying in his bedroom!

Grin Flowers

SoggyMess · 25/09/2019 21:33

Sadly he wasn't. But I'm closer to being able to just let go of things. It won't be an easy transition.

Back to work tomorrow and attempting to help my surrogate work-daughter with her many issues!

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