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I need to vent - my DS is a shit

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RGPargy · 02/08/2007 17:23

My DS (17) is one of the laziest people on the planet, i'm sure. When he was 12 he couldn't wait to be 13 so that he could get a paper round and earn his own money. When he turned 13 he couldn't be bothered to get a paper round and no longer wanted to do it. And so begins the pattern of behaviour that leaves me in tears today.

For the last year he's been at college doing a bricklaying course (or Trowel Trades as they call it now) but as he got EMA, he wouldn't get a part time job on the the days he didn't go to college. So now he has left college and i gave him a good couple of weeks grace for him to bum around, have his 17th birthday etc etc.

Now i have told him that he has had his bumming around time and it's time to crack down and get a job. Any job. Ideally he wants a labourer's job on a building site so that he can eventually start being a brickie, but for this he needs a CSCS card (i think it's a Health & Safety thing), which he hasn't got. My DP (not my DS's father btw) and I are willing to pay for him to do the CSCS exam so that he'll have more chance of getting a job that he wants.

Another hurdle he has come across is that most labourers need to drive to get to the sites and he doesn't drive yet but is taking lessons (paid for as a birthday present by DP and I). So we have said that he really needs to get ANY kind of job so that he can save up to continue his driving lessons (we only bought him 10), buy a car and then get the job that he wants. However he has made no proper effort to get work. He makes token gestures of going to agencies but always comes up with excuses, e.g. you have to be 18 to sign up with them or they're not recruiting for another week. He also wont go to the agency on his own as the walk there is boring. (He should try commuting every day for a gazillion years!) It's only a fruit packing agency, which is boring as f*ck, but it's MONEY and he needs to transition from boy to man (or at least half-man) FAST!

I had a long chat with him last night about his behaviour in general and how his sloppiness around the house and general lack of consideration for other people just will not do any more.

I suggested also that he get to the agency in the morning as by the afternoon, the temporary work will have been placed and he'll come back empty handed yet again.

I rang him at midday only to find that he'd not been down the agency yet. When i asked why he said "i dunno" (the usual answer). I told him he had to get up early and had he not listened to me last night etc? He said "Well i'm not gonna get up at like half nine am i?" I asked him why and he said "It's too early". Honestly, i wanted to wring his lazy little bloody neck!!! I pointed out that DP gets up at 5am and i get up at 6.45am to go to work so 9.30 is a friggin' lay in!!! I also told him he was being lazy, which he denied. I had to slam the phone down on him in the end because i was just sooooo mad and i cant really shout at him when i'm at work.

I also mentioned to him last night about him leaving cups etc everywhere and leaving his sodding tobacco everywhere and yet this morning i came downstairs and there was a cup on the floor and his tobacco everywhere. I knew then that he'd not listened to a word i'd said.

I really dont need the stress right now (I'm 23+2 pg) and the fact that he has reduced me to tears (not in front of him tho) has made no bearing on him.

I am sorry to say i am beginning to not like him very much at all.

My DP is in despair. He has been so patient and tries his hardest to encourage him to find work. But now he is at the end of his tether too, especially when he sees the state i get in over my DS.

To top it all off, my DS was at home yesterday and left the back door open as it was a nice day. Then he went upstairs and WENT TO SLEEP on his bed, leaving the back door wide open for God knows who to walk in. As it was, a cat came and had a vicious fight with one of my cats - fur and blood everywhere - and all because he was stupid enough to leave the door open. Now my cats are hiding under the bed and are scared and dont feel safe in their own home. We've only just moved and they were settling in so well so this has REALLY pissed me off too. I may have to take my poor kitty to the vet as he has an injured leg from the fight. All thanx to my DS.

I'm so angry i dont know whether to laugh, cry or just absolutely explode.

I told him that he has to come back with a job today or else. He doesn't look hard enough.

If he has no job, i will cut off his internet and if that doesn't work, i will then confiscate his phone.

I know it sounds drastic and childish, but i feel he is acting like a 14 year old, rather than a 17 year old.

I'm so unhappy with him.

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RGPargy · 02/08/2007 17:23

Blimey, that was really long. Sorry!

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thelady · 02/08/2007 18:53

Hmm. Perhaps time to remind him that this is a home, not a hotel. Work out what your monthly expenses are, and divvy by three (council tax, heat, electric, water, food etc) and start charging! Mum did this, and suddenly my brother requested his own shelf in the fridge and did his own cooking, took clothes to laundry etc. - meant his 'dig money' was proportionally reduced....

Best of luck with getting him to look for work. I do think that treating him like a lodger and not a guest may help you feel more in control of the situation.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 02/08/2007 18:59

I'd conficate his phone anyway. Who is paying the bill?

Who is paying for everything atm?

He wants stuff he's got to start earning it.

If he's not going to go out and get a paid job he can do stuff around the house to 'earn' his phone etc.

If he doesnt like it, he can try moving out. Cept he wont be able to, because, oh yes, thats right he hasnt got a job.......

Short sharp shock in order I think.

gringottsgoblin · 02/08/2007 19:03

stop paying for stuff for him. dont buy any nice food (or hide it if you do). dont let him have a tv/games console in his room unless he is going to pay for electric. he will soon get bored

PenelopePitstops · 02/08/2007 19:05

short sharp shock and soon!

cut off everything he uses and get him used to paying for things himself. Point out everything to him that he does 'wrong' and in an adult manner, not by naggging or shouting. try having an adult decision pointing out your expectations an ask him why he has made no moves to achieving them.
And are your and his expectations the same?

He might be in sort of holiday mentality as for the past 13 years hes been used to a long summer holiday. I know this is no excuse but it may help you to see his reasons why.

RGPargy · 02/08/2007 22:30

Thanx for your replies, it's appreciated. He has no income whatsoever (EMA stopped when he finished college) and we now refuse to give him money unless he earns it, i.e. doing the gardening front and back etc.

As for his phone, it's a PAYG which has had no credit on it now for the past month or two as i refuse to top it up. He got £50 cash for his birthday as well as presents from us and he didn't even bother to put a tenner on his phone. He basically wasted that money within the weekend that he'd received it so he seems to have no responsibility with money either.

I've tried being adult with him but all i get is grunts, silence and the occasional shrug.

I have told him that all his mates will drop him soon because, lets face it, no one likes a sponger hanging round with them all the time!

Tomorrow before i go to work i am taking the internet cable out of the pc and taking it to work with me. He'll get bored with that and he wont be able to phone anyone on his mobile because he has no credit. no credit = no texts either. And the home phone has been barred by my supplier from ringing mobiles, so no contact there either.

He allegedly went to the agency today and was told that they weren't recruiting til 11th August. he told me last week that they weren't recruiting til today so i'm sorry but i think it's all a load of big fat bollox. Even if it WERE true, he has to get his lazy arse down there in the MORNING so that he will get the work. They have probably allocated their workers for next week already, hence them apparently not recruiting til next week now.

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thelady · 02/08/2007 22:46

Take power cable and connection between pc and screen too! It's amazing how inventive young men can be when it comes to getting online....

RGPargy · 02/08/2007 22:47

Good idea!

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LadyVictoriaOfCake · 02/08/2007 22:49

supermarket work is always available.

tell him i will come and kick his arse.

mis dee

oddjobgirl · 03/08/2007 09:11

I'm a bit confused. Is this your dss - step son? If you are 23 and he is 17. Anyway much as I agree he is plain lazy - this is the hardest time to get a job - unless he is prepared to do the work some the new EU people will do - gardening, digging holes, cleaning. One of my jobs is very public contact and loads of mums with 16 - 20 yr olds have been in lately - complaining that their DSs and DDs can't get work. They need to apply end of August for Christmas shop jobs and February for summer jobs. The market is full of very willing and some very highly qualified EU nationals prepared to work for less money and work full time - why would any employer want our teenagers with their attitudes? It is tough but he mustn't give up.

oddjobgirl · 03/08/2007 09:14

oh and even in the South (near London) the supermarkets are turning away 16/17 year olds. I know two very polite teeangers who are not out in the sticks who have asked at every supermarket on the bus route (about 10) and they are not hiring.

LilRedWG · 03/08/2007 09:17

Oddjobgirl - it is RGPargy's DS and she is not 23 - she is 23 weeks pregnant!

No advise RGP, but lots of sympathy.

BreeVanDerCampLGJ · 03/08/2007 09:19

Does he have a house key ? If so take it from him and turf him out with a packed lunch when you leave the house.

He will soon get fed up and look for a job.

Even shifting trolleys in Sainsburys would be preferable to being locked out all day.

clutteredup · 03/08/2007 09:23

good advice about the paying for things, your ds needs to learn the value ofthings. i know its hard when you're at work all day but perhaps you could drag him out of bed at the time that you go to work and show him what you do in the morning while he is still sleeping. does he have favourite jeans or something he likes to wear, you could refuse to wash them,that along with confiscation of all things electrical will show you're serious, you have to get them 'where it hurts'

clutteredup · 03/08/2007 09:23

x popsted with bree, better idea!

Magicmayhem · 03/08/2007 09:25

Just wondered how your DS felt about your pregnancy, although thats no excuse for his lazy behaviour...

lovelybird · 03/08/2007 09:43

I'm what used to be called a 'Careers Adviser', now a personal adviser for Connexions. Get him down to your local Connexions centre. They work with young people up to the age of 20, have jobs/training opportunities and can advise with job hunting etc. Where I work unemployed teenagers are given regular appts - every week/2 weeks to check how they're going on. He should certainly go to register with some agencies but remember they can be very unreliable - especially with young people with little work experience and at this time of year they will have been inundated with school/college/uni leavers so there may not be much on offer to your son. Also construction work is one of the hardest to get into as a young person - there are very little opportunities in this, so he may need to broaden his ideas - but connexions would tell him this. You would be welcome to go with him to any appts - Good Luck

RGPargy · 03/08/2007 11:28

Lovelybird - He has been to Connexions a couple of times but he only goes when one of his mates is willing to go with him. He never tells me what goes on down there or what he talks about. Only once has he come back with phone numbers to ring and it took him FOUR WEEKS to call them, by which time whatever vacancies they had had obviously been filled.

Magicmayhem - He was very pleased when we told him. He said "YESSSSSS!!" and punched the air!

Bree - i did think about that too this morning.

Had a massive row with him today. I decided that he wasn't going to be laying in bed all day so i woke him up at 8am and told him to get up because he needed to go out and find a job. Ten minutes later, he's still in bed, albeit propped up against the wall, and staring at his phone. I told him that if he didn't get up and do something to find work i would confiscate his phone too. I have the internet cables with me in my handbag so he cant spend all day chatting on msn to his mates.

Lots of shouting was done by me today. I lost my rag with him when i found him STILL in bed and REALLY shouted at him to get the f*ck out of bed NOW. I told him to stop being lazy and did he think that all jobs start at midday (if he thinks that 9.30 is too early to get up!). When i went out the front door to go to work (he was up by then) i heard him slam something around upstairs so i went back in and told him that when he pays his own mortgage he can slam around all he wants. He then actually ANSWERED me (shock horror) and said that he was fed up with it. I told him that i was fed up with it too and that he had chosen for it to be this way by showing no willing to find work. He said that he'd phoned loads of places yesterday from the paper. I said that he'd not told me that yesterday. I said that i didn't think he was trying hard enough. I told him that if he wanted me to end up in hospital with high blood pressure, then he should carry on the way he is.

At the end of the day, where is his effort to create a CV?? My DP and I said we were more than willing to help him with his CV when we had our chat the other night but he hasn't made any effort or asked us for help with it at all.

I feel really really terrible for shouting at him this morning. I felt really bad for stressing so much in my condition - cant be good for the baby. I'm having to really try and hold it together at work today because if i talk to anyone, i will cry and i dont want to do that. I was very tempted to get back on the train and go home again today but i thought that being at work might help to take my mind off the situation.

At this moment in time, my mum's invitation to get him out to Spain is very tempting, although why should HE be the one who has a holiday?!!

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RGPargy · 03/08/2007 12:57

I am wondering whether to call him now and calmly ask what he's up to etc and then suggest that we sit down tomorrow and create a CV and then i'll offer to show him how to write a covering letter too.

Good idea?

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PenelopePitstops · 03/08/2007 13:18

sounds liek a good plan, see how he reacts.

At some point he will realise he cant keep being like this and will get off his arse and do soemthing. It just takes a while to sink in.

RGPargy · 03/08/2007 13:31

Just phoned him and apparently he has gone to Asda and Toys R Us but they both need a CV and he has also phoned up some building firms too but they either dont need anyone or you need a car. I offered to help him with a CV and a covering letter tomorrow and he was willing to do that.

He didn't sound arsey with me or anything (not that he's all chatty chatty happy laughy anyway) so i'm hoping that the sore throat i have from screaming at him this morning in true trailer-trash style has actually made him realise i am serious.

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bigcar · 03/08/2007 13:41

No advice, just tons of sympathy, dd1 is exactly the same.

Tortington · 03/08/2007 13:47

how about voluntary work if he wont get a job - i bet he gets a job if you say " i have arranged for you to go to the shelter shop to volunteer - fo course there is no money but it willhelp with your cv and they might even give you a reference.

TBH it sounds like you hae been much more patient than i.

in your shoes. he would be woken up when i have to wake up - told to get dressed and locked out of the house for the day until i came home.

no board money - no use of the facilities.

WanderingTrelawney · 03/08/2007 13:49

I have been watching this thread and waiting for Custardo.

I believe she speaks the truth.

If my mother had done this with my useless brother he wouldn't be the fuckwit he is now.

makemineadouble · 03/08/2007 14:21

I had the same with my ds1...I tried to take the tough love path not just unplugging things but eventually cutting wires in total frustration!! My DP could take no more and there was a huge row DS1 moved to my mums!!! he and my dp dont speak I'm in the middle heartbroken My ds1 is still only scratching a living because my mum is so soft with him {agency work a week on three weeks off??!!)

My point is while he was living with me at least I had some control now I feel useless just wastching him waste his life

Keep trying dont give up but I dont think spain is a good idea hugs 2ya