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teenage girls and the internet is this normal???

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elesbells · 03/06/2007 09:48

hi, my dd2 who has just turned 16 is generally a good girl (a few tantrums, backchat ect but nothing abnormal!) however whilst looking through my pc a couple of months ago i came across a website for teenagers and there she was with a pic of herself in a low cut top, boobs on show and finger in her mouth. (a really provocative pose!)there was a full profile of herself (area she lived, name of school ect) she was only 15 then and i made her remove it, didnt make a huge issue of it (although i wanted to) i kept calm and explained the dangers ect. she was then barred from using the p.c. However for her 16th birthday darling ex hubby bought her a laptop!! against my advice i might add! so the deal was she could go on it but no passwords and no site's like the one the pic was on! anyway last night i took her washing up to her room and as i walked in she quickly clicked the screen off. i asked her to show me and she did. it was a chatroom again this time she was talking to a boy who says he is 18 and the content was heavly sexual. all about what they were going to do when they meet up ect!! any advice on what to do now would be greatly received. i want her to have her privacy but i dont want her to put herself in danger!

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wheniamqueen · 04/06/2007 15:03

I think her behavier is perfectly normal, it was the kinda thing i did when i was her age (which as only 5 yrs ago) but when chatting i always used a username with no link to myself, if i didnt know the peson i was chatting to i would never send photos of use a webcam, if they asked i just said i didnt have the technology, ie no scanner or camera, and then if i didnt like what went on i could just sign out and dissapear. Just make sure she knows the risk, and that not many people are who they say they are. AS long as she does it safely its probably a lot better than finding out about those kinda things in real life. Hope everything goes ok )

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/06/2007 18:50

elsebells

The problem as well here is that she assumed that the person she was talking to was 18. He more than likely was not. That thought probably never even entered her head. I would put that to her.

Such chatrooms are manna in heaven for predatory types - I would have thought as well that the content became sexual in nature very quickly. She was in all likelihood set up/groomed by a man with predatory intent. That would likely appall her.

It is likely as well that your daughter probably feels she will come to no harm by using such sites.

How much do you know about the laptop and its workings re security/password protection?. Think you also need to educate your own self in such matters. You need to take a close and personal interest in the websites she visits; she is not responsible enough for no supervision re the internet.

dolally · 06/06/2007 23:12

ask her how she would feel if those photos of herself and a record of that conversation were to be seen by say, her dad? her best friends' parents? a future boyfriend? a future boss?

...cos they could be once she puts them in the public domain.

gaaad these teenagers...!!!

elesbells · 07/06/2007 12:03

thank you all. i know a little re; security ect but not enough obviously!! i have tried to explain the dangers of this type of thing. the pic incident really disturbed me tbh. but have since found out that most teenagers are doing this type of thing!! i have now removed the wireless card from her laptop and have allowed her to use the pc in the family room when im present. ive always trusted her, but i now feel really sad that i dont!! last night i found her on a site called 'beebo'??? can anyone tell me what this is? its password protected and i cant access it and dont want to confront her by asking and make things worse! i just want to make sure she is safe. (god i feel like a spy)i know she is 16 (only just btw) and old enough ect. but she is still my daughter and i cant ignore it.

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dolally · 07/06/2007 12:24

don't know, why is it password protected?
Isn't she supposed to be a password free zone?

My dd 15 takes photos of herself looking all dark and passionate and uploads them to Hifive and stuff. I find it all rather cringy but I hope to god she's not flashing her boobs or anything. I am going to have to brace myself and check it out.

It is very hard isn't it to find the balance between giving them privacy/space to grow and locking them up!!!

elesbells · 07/06/2007 13:02

your right dolally. its so hard..she made a promise no passwords but ive now found this!! but i dont want to argue with her and remove her from pc altogether iyswim? i believe its a must have tool for them these days! but i know confrontation bekons when she gets home from school today and i reveal ive been 'snooping again' as she puts it!

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wannaBe · 07/06/2007 13:12

Wait a minute. I think that saying things like ?she was in all likelihood set up/being groomed by a man with predatory intent? is very scaremongerish. Yes such predators exist and while the internet can be a very good hiding place for such people and Is the perfect place to portray yourself as something you?re not, there are also genuine people who surf the net, visit chatrooms, and who even meet up and go on to have successful friendships/relationships. We are all talking about this over the internet are we not? And to the best of our knowledge most on here are genuine? Yes maybe a lot of the talk has been sexual, but one has to remember that these are teenagers. Sex to them is a very important part of every day discussion, and talking about it over the internet does in a way, give a sense of security, because although it seems real it?s just text on a screen and if one or other party feels uncomfortable they can switch off the computer and walk away.

Elesbells, I think what your dd is going through is perfectly normal. I think that the internet is one of those things that has given teens a much bigger freedom than we had when we were younger ? the ability to talk to people they would otherwise never have had the opportunity to talk to, and to form friendships they otherwise never would have formed.

While I think that it?s important not to scare our children into the facts, I do think that it?s important to make them aware of the realities of giving out personal information to people they?ve never met in rl.

Without making the internet sound like a totally scary place, I would try and explain to her that in reality, she has no idea who she is talking to over the net, anyone can create an account in a chatroom and win the trust of people and could be anything they want to be. Doesn?t mean that all frauds are axe wielding murderers, but they could just be lonely fantacists looking for friends, doesn?t make them any less of a fraud though. and that it?s not just children that need to be careful when chatting online, adults can be just as vulnerable, so you?re not having a go because she?s a child and should be protected, you?re talking to her because you know of people from all walks of life who have had bad experiences with people they?ve met over the internet.

I think that openness is the key here. I think it?s important to reiterate to her that if she meets someone then it should always be in a public place, preferably with either you, or a friend present. It?s important never to give out her home address or telephone number as although she may think she knows someone, she cannot be totally sure until they have met. If she does want to talk to people in person then I would hdvise her to get skype rather than to give out her mobile number, that way contacts can be blocked if there turns out to be a problem. Tell her that you won?t feel the need to snoop on her if she is open and honest with you. That you?re glad she is making new friends, but that you are just looking out for her wellbeing. And again reiterate that it?s not just children who can be fooled by someone they?ve met over the net so you?re not having a go because she?s a child, you would want her to be safe even if she was an adult and you would want someone to be looking out for you in the same way ifyou were visiting chat sites.

Hth x

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/06/2007 13:56

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebo

The above will give more details. Bebo is a social networking website; a lot of teens use it and it has caused some people who use it a lot of unwanted attention and hassle. The fact that its been password protected should ring alarm bells.

I know of instances where a young person (normally female) has arranged a meet up and when they arrive discover that the "18 year old" is infact far older. Its given the girls a big fright.

I disagree with your first para wannabe (and in particular the last sentence you write) but the rest of your post I would generally agree with.

The possibility of young people being groomed by perverts cannot be wholly discounted; such sites can be a magnet for people with predatory intent and as such these sites need to be used with extreme caution. I am not suggesting that all who use such sites act with predatory intent but using common sense is vitally important online. I note that a previous net conversation became sexual in content; this young lady had no idea who she was talking to and I would put money on it the person who she was talking to was not 18. These men are looking to groom vulnerable young people and I think this scenario cannot be ruled out.

elesbells · 07/06/2007 14:00

thanks wannabe. i have said to her that all i want is for her to be safe and that putting up such a pic was dangerous...especially when she has given out such personal details such as where she goes to school...as i said i want her to have the freedom to explore herself...but its the secrecy of it. whilst i understand the need for her privacy at her age, i really do.. we just seem to be a loggerheads all the time over what is and what is not, acceptable for her to do and say over the net. i dont think this boy is a predetor of any sort but as i said to her, we cant know for sure! im concerned tbh about just how lots of teenagers these days think its ok to talk to strangers in this way? she says her friends at school regularly 'meet up' with lads in this way and that they all pose for pics like this! i just find it incredible really. just dreading another argument!! do you think i am 'invading her privacy' by insisting no passwords??

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auntymandy · 07/06/2007 14:03

teens will be teens. Unfortunately we cant watch them 24/7 even if pc in family room you cant watch their every typing etc!!
Mine is 14 and sometimes I get a bit worried but we have a chat! Other people/friends post pics etc..so what do we do.
Let them learn by their mistakes etc, like we did!!!

elesbells · 07/06/2007 14:04

and just to add when i mentioned grooming senarios to her she argued that 'perverts only go for young children'

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nappyaddict · 07/06/2007 14:06

tell her you are going to put a programme on it that tells you exactly what sites she has been on and if she goes on them anymore the laptop will be taken away?

although i dont really see the problem as long as she never actually meets up with these people and obviously not telling them her school and where she lives etc.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/06/2007 14:12

Your daughter is foolish in the extreme if she just assumes that perverts go for younger children. She probably doews not think anything untoward will come of her net activity; this sort of thing always happens to other people.

She would doubtless be also surprised at the number of young people who have had unwanted sexual attention directed at them in chatrooms - one in five American teen regular users of the net have been subjected to such behaviours.

Teens will be teens yes and they need to make their own mistakes. However, its one thing to make a mistake, its quite another to put yourself at risk online by not protecting yourself properly from some who are out to act in a predatory manner (many of these people are perfectly plausible). These people are attracted to young peoples' chatrooms no two ways about it.

Both of you need educating further.

Besides which you did not want her to have the computer in the first place; your ex husband bought it for her. I would not think he also knows the full extent of her internet activities.

If you are not an experienced computer user, you need to learn how to surf the Web and use chat so that you understand what it is your child is doing online. If you don't know how to do this, your child can probably teach you. Worst case, your local community college probably offers an inexpensive course that can be completed in a few hours.

The Internet is a marvelous, educational resource that can help your children (and you) expand their sphere of knowledge in ways we never imagined. You can ensure they profit from all the Net has to offer if you take an active role in your children's Internet activities.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/06/2007 14:17

"I dont think this boy is a predetor of any sort".

However, you do not know this for certain and it cannot be fully determined whether he was 18 or not. Your daughter took his word for it and the other unedifying scenario is that your daughter got sucked into sexual chat in a chatroom.

If you yourself cannot put blocking software on then hire a computer expert to do it. And educate yourself further in the workings of the Net.

auntymandy · 07/06/2007 14:20

bad things happen yes...but dont assume iy#t will. I advise to stay calm and chat to her about it!

elesbells · 07/06/2007 14:42

atm if you had continued with that sentence the next line was 'but as i said to her we cant know for sure' i have heard of something that can tell me what sites she has entered and to alert me of certain 'buzzwords' does anyone know where to get these?

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/06/2007 16:17

Thank you for pointing that out; you certainly did correctly point that out to your daughter. Apologies for my omission earlier on.

BTW what was her reaction to your comment?

www.Child-Internet-Safety.com has software details on it. Will come up with some others for you if you want.

elesbells · 07/06/2007 17:46

atilla that would be great if you could thanx...i just get the rolling of eyes and 'your making a fuss over nothing comments' which then turns into an argument!!

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manthaw · 07/06/2007 20:20

Has anyone else seen MY SPACE this is where they can put on their profiles and pics of themselves, my thirteen year old hasn't yet but her friends have and i was shocked to say the least. Their pics looked like they should have been in a lads mag! HELPP!!

nappyaddict · 08/06/2007 02:23

i'm on my space. but no lads mag pics for me!

carol3 · 08/06/2007 04:48

I'm on my space too,
I think the issue is she's 16,
really would prefer my 16 to experiment on line rather than in RL, but still she would legally be able to do this, Surely if you inform her of the dangers she should be responsible enough to be trusted to use the internet without being in a family room. I think if you come down to hard she may just rebel against you anyway.

RedtartanLass · 08/06/2007 05:16

Sorry elesbells, think you're a wee bit over reacting (except for the pic of herself). All the teenage girls and young adults I know have a myspace, bebo etc, and I think banning heer to gon on them, is too extreme. Can't you remeber when you were a teenager?

As everyone has mentioned here, explain to her the dangers, re-iterate that people are not always what they seem and let her get on with it. Would you not rather you were both open with each other? You could then be added as a "friend" to myspace/bebo and occasionally check the content. Otherwise she will set up anohter account, that you know nothing of, and no idea of the content.

I'm sorry but do think it is OTT that a 16 year old girl can not use her laptop in private, and beleive that you are lulling yourself into a false sense of security.

I think you need to trust her.

Now after saying all that elesbells.....when my dcs were teenagers I knew their hotmail passwords and occasionally used to check their emails!!! OMG I have never told anyone that, I think it's an awful intrusion of privacy, but you can only trust them so far

RedtartanLass · 08/06/2007 05:17

Please forgive the spelling

Nicola63 · 08/06/2007 10:23

We found that by accident DSD,aged only just 14, had been going on Bebo and had posted a profile etc. DH hit the roof when he read some of the things on the site, and I was pretty bothered by it too. It all seemed so tacky and nasty, there was so much sexual innuendo. Being on that site felt to me like walking into some scruffy strip joint with a sticky floor, to be honest. Not where you want a 14 year old girl to be. Also, the shockingly awful use of language (no grammar, no spelling, nasty pseudo-American slang etc), why read this kind of junk? Is this how we want our kids to be talking?

Anyway, DH sat down with her and went through some of the entries on the site with her (things like profiles of boys talking about f*ing, shagging etc), she was in fact very shocked and said she had not realised what it was.

I was also really worried that she might have sent a link to this nasty thing to her sister (aged only 12, still lives with her mother at the moment) and her mother would have thought that we allow DSD to look at this kind of thing. She would have more than hit the roof,she would probably have wanted to revise the whole situation of DSD living with us. This did not happen thank goodness.

There is no way on earth that DSD is getting an internet connection, other through the family computer in the living room, until she is very much older.

elesbells · 08/06/2007 10:26

redlass i really do agree with you, and i want her to have her privacy...thats the point of my post...i just want to make it clear to her about the 'no pic and no details' thing. the pic she posted was so bad i cant explain without showing you it!!! she is a big breasted girl iyswim!! and she said the name of her school!! we had an agreement...once she removed pic/details, that there were no passwords ect..not that i would be checking every 5 mins..but just that she knew i had access to it if i wanted, hoping that it would deter her from posting that type of thing. she failed to do that as i found the beebo??? thing! thats why she is banashed to the family room at the mo. but she says no passwords is invading her privacy and to a point i agree but surely if she was more careful i wouldnt be worried!! but you mums of teenagers must know how hard it is to put that accross to a 16 year old who knows everything!! i know i was 16 once and the things i did at that age make me cringe but we didnt have strangers on the internet then and thats where im in the unknown iyswim?

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