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Should I be worried about dd (no real interests / hobbies / concentration )

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uberqueen · 03/04/2018 22:47

Am not sure whether I should be worried about dd or should just leave things be . Sorry if this is long but want to provide an accurate and full picture .

Dd is coming up to 13. She has always struggled with concentrating in school and is performing below average in all areas although I believe she is far brighter than looks on paper . At parents evening they said she was working towards a c- in all subjects for GCSE. I did feel a little disappointed as I feel she is a bright girl who could do better.

She likes humanities and RE and reads maturely for her age ( has just finished Malala's book and before that Mandela's auto biography ) but only likes these subjects largely when she is learning about them outside of school . She also reads some classic literature ( some recent examples are Jane Eyre and to kill a mockingbird ). But her wide reading is not reflected in any academic progress and again she is underperforming , even in English .

She says lessons are boring and school is boring and that she switches off in class or when teachers are talking . She struggles in maths in particular and I've often wondered if she has a form of dyscalculia . I do lots of maths at home with her and she is difficult to engage , lacks confidence , yawns , acts bored etc etc . She needs lots of practical examples to understand things but loses her train of thought very quickly and will forget everything the next day . She says she does really badly In maths tests at school and only gets a few questions right . Definitely not dyslexic - I taught her to read and write as we lived abroad when she was 4 ish and she picked it up really quickly and is very good at spelling . I think she has a flair for languages - she is brilliant at picking up foreign languages but it's never reflected in her grades because of poor homework , Poor contribution in class and not revising .

For homework she does the bare minimum with little thought and it's scruffy and sloppy . Just says everything is boring and pointless .when anything becomes remotely challenging she gives up there and then and loses interest . Doesn't revise for tests despite my offering lots of practical support . Says she'll fail anyway . I've always been full of praise and encouragement and don't kno where she has got this attitude from . She has very supportive extended family too but she seems to naturally have low self esteem if this is possible .

She doesn't attend any extra curricular activities - says she can't be bothered . She did say she was going to join debating but didn't stick with it and she rarely sees things through as either loses interest or gets bored . However she could , if she was allowed to , spend forever watching movies or playing on her phone . She loves messing with her little makeup collection and also likes making body masks and scrubs and that sort of thing . If she does well in school I'll give her a £5 lush voucher as she loves it . She's constantly preening , in front of the mirror , showering , doing her hair etc .

As a younger child she was the same . I remember she didn't want to learn to swim but we persevered and persisted with three years of swimming lessons till we got there . Same with bike riding - she was constantly giving up but I was consistent till she got there . It was a struggle to say the least but worth it when she got there and she now enjoys swimming and cycling but there's always that initial 'I can't be bothered ' first.
She likes her comfort Zone and could happily stay in bed on Netflix all day which I think is unhealthy so I do encourage her to get up and move but respect that she's a real introvert and likes quiet time too. I'm not sure how to get that balance .

I try to follow her interests where possible . She likes baking so gets plenty of opportunity to do that at home . I get her to tell me what activities she would like to do over holidays and try to plan them in even if it's just movies and baking , anything to get her out of her room and off her phone .

But I feel her low self esteem and lack of interest at school is letting her down and she will eventually fall way short of her potential .
Maybe I am projecting my own experiences and expectations and I shouldn't . DH and I are both academics so we do admit we struggle when one of our is so resistant to doing well academically although she is so much more able . She says she wants to go to university and study history or politics but she will need to hit good grades for that . I tell her she's got to work hard for those grades - she says she will but then lapses again.

I spoke to school at parents evening and found them very patronising to be honest . They said she was lucky that she's working towards Cs as that's what is expected of her . I know she can do better but she isn't doing herself any favours by being such a defeatist .

Please advise . Am I making mountains out of molehills ? Should I leave her be ? Is there a chance she'll mature and buck up a bit ? To her credit , she's a lovely daughter - witty , great humour , caring, sensible and reliable . She's up at 6, showers , makes her own breakfast and is super independent . I don't know what, if anything at all, is going wrong and how I can help her . I wonder if she feels overwhelmed by her very high achieving sister who is a year younger but is highly motivated to learn and achieve . Dd2 doesn't rub it in though - she's easy going and they get along fine but maybe it's a subconscious thing .

Any ideas ?

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YassQueen · 03/04/2018 22:56

First things first, she sounds like a lovely girl and as you say, independent and capable, which is great.

From what you described - especially not persevering at things, losing interest quickly and this - "She needs lots of practical examples to understand things but loses her train of thought very quickly and will forget everything the next day" - she sounds a lot like me at her age. I have ADHD and recognise a lot of what you're describing in 13-year-old me.

It could be anxieties, it could be a personality trait, it could be a phase or it could be that she's struggling with some aspect of school such as maths and trying to gloss over it and appear blase so as not to lose face. I'd be tempted to see about having her assessed for ADHD/dyscalculia though - it won't do any harm to at least try and get her seen, and if she does have either of those, to get the support put in place while she's still young :)

KelpianCasserole · 03/04/2018 23:01

She sounds like my dd as well. She has ADHD Inattentive type. I recommend watching Jessica McCabe's TEDX talk 'How to ADHD"

uberqueen · 03/04/2018 23:07

I've wondered about ADHD but I discounted it at one point because although she displays the 'inattentive ' bit she doesn't display any of the hyperactive bits- she doesn't talk a lot or interrupt . She listens and responds carefully and is , if anything , more quiet . She doesn't fidget or move excessively and has never had a problem with sitting still. She appears to be a very 'calm' person and was a very very calm baby and toddler . Am I misunderstanding ADHD or is it possible to have only parts of it ( apologies for my ignorance and am happy to be corrected !)

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KelpianCasserole · 03/04/2018 23:19

Ok so Adhd often presents as 'predominantly inattentive" especially in girls. Dont be fooled by bursts of concentration either, its called hyperfocus and its a feature of adhd. adhd isnt an inability to concentrate, its difficulty regulating concentration. Do some reading - theres lists of diagnostic criteria on the web. Diagnosis is the best thing that could have happened for dd, she has a future now.

Pythonesque · 03/04/2018 23:23

There exists, as far as I understand, ADD ie attention deficit disorder without hyperactivity. ADHD "inattentive type" may mean the same. (trouble with these things is they update the diagnostic terminology and subsets periodically ...)

Some sort of assessment might well be a good idea, hope you can access something.

Lindy2 · 03/04/2018 23:27

There is ADHD and ADD. ADD is the lack of focus and concentration but without the hyperactivity.
We are in the process if trying to get an ADHD diagnosis for our daughter and a lot of what you've written sounds very familiar.

YassQueen · 04/04/2018 05:58

ADD doesn't exist as a diagnosis any more, it is now classed as ADHD (primarily inattentive).

ohamIreally · 04/04/2018 06:13

Sounds like my DD who has a diagnosis of ADHD inattentive type. She takes medication to help her focus at school and the teachers say it makes a massive difference. I have been told that as children hit puberty it can become much more obvious and problematic. It took a full academic year to get a diagnosis and there were a few wobbles along the way. In your shoes I would probably look into paying for an initial assessment as it doesn't sound like the school is very supportive.

Frustratedboarder · 04/04/2018 06:19

Just coming on to say yep sounds like me at her age - very able but poor concentration etc - and I was told by a medical professional 10yrs ago I had ADHD (although I've not Pursued an official diagnosis)... It explained a lot and really helped me understand myself! It was obviously too late for my school days though (I'm in my 40s now) and I underachieved at every school qualification through lack of commitment/fear of failure... Plus I was Very depressed and developed a long term ED. I'm Doing ok now - just! - but if my parents had bothered to look into this 30 years ago it would've made the world of difference to my lifestyle now, IMO.

Definitely get her checked out!

uberqueen · 04/04/2018 08:05

I'm going to pursue a possible diagnosis - thanks everyone . I feel terribly guilty that she possibly has ADD and it's slipped under my radar Sad
her form tutor wasn't very helpful during parents evening at all but I could speak to the head of lower school who has been helpful in the past when there was a bullying issue last year . How do I pursue a diagnosis then - is it through school or my gp?i got her a cahms referral last year because I thought she had anxiety issues and she was discharged pretty much straight away because they said she wasn't serious enough for it Sad she presents as A cheerful and happy girl ( she's very smiley and pleasant )and mostly she is but I felt she had issues that she hides quite well. Anyhow they didn't take it seriously at all but I let them drop it because in all fairness she had resolved a lot of her anxiety issues as she grows up .( she used to obsess about what ifs etc but doesn't anymore ).
Money is tight at the moment so paying for a specialist would be a last resort that i want to avoid ,sadly .
Do I just make an appointment with my gp ?

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crazycrofter · 04/04/2018 18:45

I thin you’ve had really useful responses re the ADHD which I know nothing about so definitely pursue that. In addition, I have to say that the school doesn’t sound particularly good or suited to her. She says lessons are boring and it seems that expectations are fairly low.

My children (11 and 13) are not naturally hard working to be honest. However the high expectations of their teachers means they’re working reasonably hard. My son particularly would do as little as he could get away with - but thankfully he wants to avoid detentions and behaviour points which are dished out for missing homework/poor homework/poor test results.

I appreciate that any learning difficulties need to be addressed first but I also think the school should be demanding more of her. Sometimes I’ve found that my kids are surprised by what they’re capable of when they’re forced into it! If she can get away with minimum effort, why would she try any harder?

KelpianCasserole · 04/04/2018 22:13

Craztcrofter I know you mean well but if she HAS got ADHD she CANNOT regulate her concentration. Typically my dd says she would suddenly realise in class that she 'hadn't been there' for the last 20 minutes. She got almost zero marks in year 6 SATs (didn't write anything) but went on to triple science and A in maths in high school. Kids slip under the radar because it looks like can't be arsed or passive resistance.

KelpianCasserole · 04/04/2018 22:16

If money's tight you must become as ADHD knowledgeable as possible as quickly as you can because you're going to have to fight unless you are very lucky!

ohamIreally · 05/04/2018 06:16

OP my DD had her diagnosis through CAHMS. We were lucky that we had an amazing clinical psychologist but you will still have to be both patient and persistent. They were not initially convinced but when they did a cognitive learning assessment it was a thunderclap moment for them and the diagnosis was almost immediate after that. Some parents at the school with similar concerns have I think paid around £500 to get one done.

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 05/04/2018 06:24

What is her general health like? Is she energetic? Has she got circles beneath her eyes? Has she got IBS or other issues?

Mercison · 05/04/2018 06:32

Is private education an option at all?

ohamIreally · 05/04/2018 09:25

OP apologies if I appear to be badgering you. Please do your research on the Internet and listen to your gut feeling on this. People will want to reassure you that she's fine but you evidently think there is an issue so please pursue it. If there's no problem then what have you ( or your DD) lost?

KelpianCasserole · 05/04/2018 10:25

Ohamireally you are so right. It doesn't look like much but its life changing. You owe it to dd to be as knowledgeable as possible. Its more complex than you think.

mumsbuns · 05/04/2018 10:33

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow can I ask what's the link with circles round eyes? Only ask because I share many of the adhd (inattentive) symptoms, although in my 40s so haven't pursued a diagnosis, and have always had really heavy, unsightly circles round my eyes. GP said it's "just hereditary", but I've wondered if there is more to it...

uberqueen · 05/04/2018 11:26

@ohamIreally you're not badgering me . The more information the better . I'm fully committed to helping to helping dd so I'll do whatever it takes to help her . I've booked an appointment with my gp ( a two week wait as only one of the gps is understanding and knows about her cahms history etc so I'd rather see her than anyone else )

Private school isn't an option . She went to a private primary school when we had the money. It had pros and cons - definitely wasn't perfect but they had high expectations .

I've considered changing schools but she loves school despite the claims it's all boring . I take her use of 'boring' with a pinch of salt as she uses the term so often . She has a really lovely, close group of supportive friends that seem to be doing her a world of good and she absolutely hates change so I'd be wary of moving her .

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Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 05/04/2018 12:52

I’m coming at this from left field and an area that interests me but allergic shiners can be a sign of a foodnintolernace. Hence my asking about gut health.

As an extreme example, for instance, some parents of ASD children note an improvement on a gluten and or dairy free diet. I’m not suggesting you do that but I wonder whether the apathy could be tied to a physical cause or even just tiredness?

In a similar vein, have her iron and vitamin D levels been checked? Does she poo every day? How is her diet?

uberqueen · 05/04/2018 14:54

She has circles under her eyes which have always thought were hereditary as my sister has them too. Interesting it may be linked .
Energy levels - generally ok but sometimes she just wants to lie down . Thought this was normal as it's fairly new and thought this was a teen thing - could be wrong .
Diet- very good . Eats plenty of fresh fruit and veg and has always loved to. Eats a varied diet with proteins , complex carbs . For breakfast she makes herself an egg with toast and some spinach / avocado on the side . Porridge if in a rush . Snacks on fruit and eats moderate sizes home cooked food . Isn't fussy .
Will discuss getting iron etc checked at gp appointment .

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uberqueen · 05/04/2018 14:57

Also her general health is really good - very rarely if ever ill . No complaints of tummy ache and she seems to be the one in the house who always misses out on bugs and viruses ! Poos regularly . In fact I can't remember if she's even ever taken antibiotics or has anything apart from a mild annual cold . Sleeps well , has always had a great bedtime routine starting at 6 weeks old when she slept through . ( unlike my other dc!)

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PickingOak · 05/04/2018 15:08

Odd question here... do you have any Mediterranean or Middle Eastern heritage?

It's just that tiredness, apathy and dark circles under the eyes can be a sign of beta thalassemia minor: ie. you carry the trait but don't have the full on condition.

If I were you, I'd consider having a full blood panel done for her before you go any further. Even if you aren't in a risk category for thalassemia, it's important to exclude any vitamin or mineral deficiencies et al before you pursue a developmental or physiological cause.

uberqueen · 05/04/2018 15:17

We are part middle eastern ! I would never have said that tiredness has ever been an issue though . She was an energetic child and toddler . She sometimes naps and lazes about now but I never thought she was particularly tired . I will definitely get this all checked out though thank you .

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