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My 17yr old overdosed last night.

65 replies

ToeTapN · 09/11/2014 14:02

I will try to keep this as brief as possible. I have namechanged.

My 17yr old girl has emotional disregulation disorder (a precursor to personality disorder) & has been on and off under CAMHS since she was 13, mostly off as she won't engage with them.

Recently she has been spiralling downhill out of control again taking drugs (MDMA & Diazepam mostly) and staying out/awake all weekend. This has culminated in this weekend's climax of her overdosing last night on cold and flu tablets whilst in the grips of a comedown, she says she took 14 of them. This is not the first overdose and not the first hospital visit for self harm, she had left notes for both us (family) and the guy that she is in love with but who has little interest in her other than to use her for his own ends - eg when he needs a crash pad in the city after a party as he lives out in the sticks, which is often.

She was taken to A&E in an ambulance but as is her usual modus operandi she kicked off when they tried to take bloods (she will never allow anyone to stick her with a needle) and then discharged herself against medical advice. So now I guess there is nothing we can do other than watch, wait and hope that the overdose wasn't sufficient to send her organs into failure, which is beyond terrifying.

I have been in to see her a few times but she's under the duvet and wants to be left alone. If I attempt to sit and watch her she becomes abusive and dangerous to those around her.

She also hasn't eaten since Friday that I know of. She demanded McDs as we left the hospital at 2am but I said no - Me & my dh have been trained as parent therapists by CAMHS and one of the things we're supposed to do is to never reward the self harming behaviour by running around providing whatever she wants in the aftermath. We have a fridge/freezer full of food and offered to cook her something which was refused. She can go days without eating if we don't give in and buy fast food.

Is there anyone I can call? I am not a doctor and I'm too scared to google to see if 14 cold & flu tablets are enough to do serious possibly fatal damage to her liver. I have seen someone die of a paracetamol overdose so you can imagine how scared I am. I am shocked that the hospital allowed her to discharge herself but I can also see that if a patient is not co-operating and causing mayhem in a very busy A&E department then they have little choice.

At 17 she is in the no-mans land of medical care - paediatrics aren't particularly interested any more and most adult care isn't until 18yrs. I have little or no say in what happens to her medically as she is considered old enough to make her own choices.

I hope this doesn't read to disjointedly, I have had very little sleep.

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Marina11 · 09/11/2014 17:31

It is madness, Toe. In fact, it is utterly irresponsible on the part of the health professionals who won't speak to upi/are withholding information from you.

See if you can get the authorisation to share information(which is a start) lined up, in case you need it.

When DH and I were banging our heads against the NHS brick wall, we thought about contacting our MP. We'd have been taking a stand on behalf of parents in our situation (and, of course, of the young people themselves) and might, possibly, have had some help and support in moving things forward.

Someone here mentioned PALS. They differ hugely, as you'll know, in their capabilities but worth a go?

ToeTapN · 09/11/2014 20:13

Last night when dh removed the notes she wrote he also removed a Stanley knife blade, she's now kicking off wanting it back & ransacking the kitchen for blades.

Police??

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gamerchick · 09/11/2014 20:14

Yes if you can't calm her down.

ToeTapN · 09/11/2014 20:18

Dh is on the phone to them now as she's being aggressive & I think she got the carving knife.

May be back later...

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Seriouslyffs · 09/11/2014 20:19

I think so. Poor you and poor her. Flowers

gamerchick · 09/11/2014 20:20

I meant to ask earlier. Are you sure of the drugs she's been on. My teen does mcat and it sends her similar to what you're experiencing on the comedown. Apparently it's common.

cavkc · 09/11/2014 20:20

You must be going through hell .. She obviously has devoted and caring parents

Keep strong

saintlyjimjams · 09/11/2014 20:21

Yes to police

Thinking of you

Itsfab · 09/11/2014 20:25

I am so sorry you are going through this. If you are worried about anything phone the police or ambulance. Take care of yourselves as well.

I despair of some mental health services in this country. I once rang for help and was told immediately I would only have a few minutes to talk to them and had I called before.

ByeByeButterfly · 09/11/2014 20:26

Nothing I can add but my support - this must be so scary for you.

starlight1234 · 09/11/2014 20:30

yes police if you feel she is at risk to herlself or others. If she calms. Call out of hours GP. It is 111 in out area now.

Coconutty · 09/11/2014 20:38

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Zinkies · 09/11/2014 20:44

Why do you want to stop her having fast food?
Why try to deny an (ostensibly) sick person their favourite food?

atoughyear · 09/11/2014 20:46

There us some information about mental health first aid for teenaged on this website. I hope things start to improve for you and your dd.

gamerchick · 09/11/2014 20:48

Because it's rewarding them. Hospital visits are usually just one of many and I mean double/treble figures many. If you run around pacifying them or pandering with all their favourite things each time, they never have to take responsibility for their actions.

GallbladderFairy · 09/11/2014 20:54

No advice but here for hand holding. I can't even imagine how hard this must be for you. Flowers

GeoMeg · 09/11/2014 21:28

Hi

As discussed there is a massive gap between CAMHS and Adults of working age mental health services. Not that it helps you in this situation, but there has been extensive discussions and in some areas successful implementation of 'bridging' services between CAMHS and AMH. Services vary widely between each clinical commissioning area.

I read that you work in a GP surgery, if you have a friendly/helpful GP it might be worth you having a chat with them. They will know the system and should be able to recommend the best approach. Most services will require a GP referral, though it would usually (unless being sectioned, which would be different people being involved) require your daughters agreement which from what you have written that doesn't appear she would support a mental health referral. Did A&E mention anything about making a referral to a psychiatrist? For some areas it is standard policy to make that referral. In most areas there are Mental Health Crisis Teams, this again varies on the ages they will take but as she is nearly 18 years you might be able to push it. if she has mild to moderate depression she could go to 'Talking Therapies'. Again these services vary depending on what has been commissioned, but also she has attend the sessions.

Having the GP support is key to get referrals pushed through the system.

You could also speak to MIND (or other local MH services, the local library will sometimes have a directory of local health and social care service), they might have local support groups/services for your daughter and yourselves to get help.

Hope this is of some use.

PS. Yes there are 24 hour GP access across the country. If it is non urgent call NHS 111, if it is urgent call 999. You will have Minor injuries units near you, but they are not always set up for mental health issues. Also your GP practice will have an answer machine message providing a phone number out of hours. Though you can't always guarantee you won't have to travel a bit to see the Dr and that they aren't a locum so may not know the local systems.

ToeTapN · 09/11/2014 22:03

I'm going to ignore the comment about not giving a sick person their favourite food and hope that the fool that posted it goes back to read the thread properly.

Thankfully she has a very supportive GP - one of the women GPs at our health centre took an interest in her case about three years ago and has gone above and beyond what I would normally expect from a busy GP service but we've exhausted the rounds of referral/non engagement/discharge.

Anyway - police showed, eight of them. Some of them with guns and tazers. They sent the armed unit because she had a weapon. They've taken her to a secure psych ward for assessment, the ward knows that she's 17 and are prepped and ready for her arrival. Her dad has gone with her and I'm home with my younger daughter who is taking it all in her stride.

So I guess that's what happens when you spend all day trying to find appropriate help for 17yr old and get no-where. It's a shame that a few minutes of an on call consultant's time might have avoided the need for so much of the tax payers funds being used later on in the day but there you go.

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gamerchick · 09/11/2014 22:12

Indeed!

At least she's safe from harm tonight... I'm so sorry man Sad

ToeTapN · 09/11/2014 22:19

Thanks gamer. I'm glad she's in a safe place for now but we all know how this will pan out don't we?! They'll assess, she'll tell them what she thinks they want to hear and then they'll discharge her asap.

You asked earlier if I knew for sure which drugs she was using and the answer to that is no, not for sure. She's talked to me about it and told me about the mdma and diazepam, weed for sure because it stinks and can't be hidden. She has tried mcat but it was years ago and I didn't think she had liked it much from what I could gather but god knows what they put in mdma (powder) to make it more profitable. I had suspected speed considering how bad the comedowns had been recently. She has had small forays into psychedelics but is prone to bad trips because of the EDD and anxiety.

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starlight1234 · 09/11/2014 22:28

Well Glad she is safe for tonight.. Hopefully she will now get the support she needs and at least assess the OD properly.

I can't imagine how tough today has been for all of you

saintlyjimjams · 09/11/2014 22:36

I'm sorry it came to that, but glad she is safe for the night. I really hope it kicks in some proper support, although I completely understand your concerns that she'll bounce straight back out.

I hope you manage to get some sleep tonight, you must be exhausted.

GeoMeg · 10/11/2014 08:46

I am so so sorry to hear that it came to the police getting involved. I really hope that your daughter gets the treatment that she requires and your family get the support that you need. Fingers crossed she gets better soon.

ChippingInAutumnLover · 10/11/2014 09:04

It's ridiculous how little help was available to you yesterday!

The whole thing is wrong, so wrong.

I just hope, probably foolishly, that she will get some help now?!

gamerchick · 10/11/2014 09:50

Yes we know how it's going to pan out OP, I hope you slept last night.

I am hoping against hope with all of my fingers that there's a chink of hope today. She met the threshold of being a danger to others so maybe......

Good luck.