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DS, 18, critizes me. It's exhausting.

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Morven11 · 05/10/2014 23:29

DS, 18, is becoming increasingly critical of me. To an outsider, they might seem like small things but the effect is culmulative and I'm exhausted. Typically, he criticises the cleanliness of the dishes and crockery. They're put away clean but I don't always scrutinize them when they come out of the machine (who does?). A typical thing would be just now - when he came down, having eat in his room, to tell me that he couldn't have his (second bowl) of soup because there was a red mark on the bowl. He suspected a bit of tomato. I gently explained that I'd poured the soup into a clean bowl and he said something about needing just to 'glance' at it. Patronising and quite inappropriate.

DH spoke to him but DS usually criticizes when no-one else is around and I think that DH thinks I'm exaggerating. I'm not. It's getting very tiring and very unpleasant.

I work f-t - in fact I have a couple of jobs - and I come home fit to drop sometimes but I pick myself up and cook and clean. Nevertheless, DS, who is very likely at home (A levels), asks me what's for lunch. It's nearly supper time but he wants lunch first. Plenty of food in the house but he won't cook for himself - or, while I think of it, clean a thing. Sits in his room with his computer on - and on.

It's all very difficult. One of my theories is that he's lost touch with reality. He doesn't have a job - says a teacher at school told his year that they shouldn't have jobs - and does little outside school, apart from belong to a gym which guess who pays for. I've tried to persuade him that having a job would mean that he could pay for his own gym membership, would be something constructive to put on a UCAS form, might widen his friendship circle (it's very narrow indeed), give him ideas, and, above all, ease the burden on us. Household income is very modest - there are other DCs at uni - and it's a struggle.

If this were happening at work, I'd say it was bullying. At home, I feel like a doormat. An increasing p-ed off and angry door mat.

DS can be so sweet and friendly. But then he can also be critical, demanding and his flat out refusal to work, even for a few hours a week, is proving very difficult.

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OldLadyKnowsSomething · 05/10/2014 23:36

Withdraw all services. He wants soup in a clean bowl, he can clean the fucking bowl. Take the plug/lead off the computer, and take it to work with you. Change the internet password daily, he doesn't get it till he does whatever chores you deem needed. He needs a major kick up the arse, and it is bullying for him to be so disrespectful of you.

Morven11 · 05/10/2014 23:39

Thank you, OldLady. Sometimes I think I'm alone in thinking that actually I am being taken for a ride and that it's unacceptable. Thanks - and the computer/internet suggestions are good. His near constant use of the computer, particularly for gaming, is a drain on his time (for other thing), family time, our patience, his school work, and our fragile bank balance.

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Fairylea · 05/10/2014 23:44

Totally agree with oldlady.

You can't allow him to treat you like this. He sounds like an ungrateful sod. He needs a real kick up the bum!

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 05/10/2014 23:47

Stop paying his gym membership, he can go running to keep fit, that'll motivate the job search.

Do not 'gently explain' say 'don't speak to me that way,I didn't bring you like that and you know better!' And say it sharply.

He's losing respect for you and you need to make it clear it's not acceptable.

It wouldn't hurt your Dh to chime in with a few don't speak to your mother like that either!

Zero tolerance is the way forwardGrin

AcrossthePond55 · 05/10/2014 23:49

I loudly second OldLady! He's a big boy, he can take care of himself.

gamerchick · 05/10/2014 23:51

Why are you gently explaining anything? Hmm

Howay man hes totally taking the piss!

Stop doing anything for him and tell him to find a job and start contributing financially and physically to the household or his arse can find somewhere else to live where he can do the dishes to his own satisfaction.

No good comes from wiping their arses at this age believe me.

paddlenorapaddle · 05/10/2014 23:52

Who taught him its ok to be like this with you ? Where's your DH in this he sounds like a arse for dismissing your concerns as exaggerated

I'm with the others withdraw all services and for his own good ditch the god damn computer

Morven11 · 05/10/2014 23:53

Many thanks, all of you. Going to bed exhausted and very sad because Dame is right - I didn't bring DS up to behave in this way and he's had nothing but kindness shown to him - and massive of tolerance. I think DH is possibly right - we've done too much for our DCs and expected too little in return. But there is no excuse whatsoever for DC's current behaviour.

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BotoxednSpanxed · 05/10/2014 23:54

no wifi
no dinner
no clean clothes

BackforGood · 05/10/2014 23:56

From your title, I was going to come on and say - 'It's part of being 18... everyone thinks they know everything at 18' Grin

However, from your OP, it's a different thing altogether.
I'm confused as to why he's not pulling his weight in the house? Confused.
My ds has just left for University - so presumably a year above your ds, but he worked (in a shop), volunteered, went out with his friends, was learning to drive, and managed to get the results he needed for university and cook meals / unload dishwasher etc.....

You seem to be enabling him to not do anything, by doing it for him.

OldLadyKnowsSomething · 05/10/2014 23:57

Agree with DameD about speaking to him sharply, and don't be shy of using a couple of sweary words, esp if you usually don't. The shock effect can be an eye-opener for self-absorbed wankers teens.

AnnieLobeseder · 06/10/2014 00:00

Any 18yo child of mine who criticised the "service" they were receiving in the hotel of mum and dad would find all services very quickly withdrawn.

You are not doing your DS, his future partner or, most importantly at the moment, yourself, any favours by running around after him and letting him think that you (and other women, by extension) exist to serve him. By that age he should be doing an equal third of household tasks, along with your DH.

MedusaIsHavingaBadHairday · 06/10/2014 00:00

I agree with all of the above (I have four aged 17-22). At 18 he should find a weekend job.. oddly enough most kids CAN manage a few hours work and A levels.. it's good preparation for working through University (both of mine at Uni do even tho on very full time courses..medicine and nursing)

Stop the gym membership until he contributes.. either in time or money. Change the wifi (I did this a few times!) and make it clear that clean dishes are his problem... and he can make his own dinner! Long term you will be doing him a favour!

MrsMcRuff · 06/10/2014 00:20

I think you should insist he tries to get a weekend job. The advice from my ds's school has been not to work too much, rather than not at all. Unless he's doing 5 A levels or something? You're right about it looking good on his cv.

If he has time to go on the computer to play games, then he has the time for a job for a few hours a week. Both my older 2 ds managed to negotiate their A Levels while holding down a p/t job. They knew that their activities/purchasing power would be severely curtailed, otherwise, as we simply don't have the money to fund them, and told them so!

I was going to suggest you refuse to pay for his gym membership, to encourage him to find a way of financing himself, but I bet you're worried that this will end up with him giving up the gym, and spending even more time on the computer. Catch 22.

Mine haven't been beyond criticising the way I do things, but I absolutely don't take it from them. Why don't you suggest that you're only too happy for him to take over supervision of the dishwasher, and if he doesn't like the way the household is run, then he can get a full time job next year and rent his own place!

I think bolshie teenagers are nature's way of making it easier to cope with the separation when they do leave home!

SanityClause · 06/10/2014 06:56

You might find the following phrases useful.

"Do it yourself, then."

"There's a house full of food - make your own lunch. I'm too busy."

"When you earn enough money to employ a maid, do so. In the meantime, you have to do things for yourself."

You "gently" explained that you poured soup into a clean bowl? Perhaps you need to be a bit more forceful.

Also, don't get DH to speak to him - do it yourself. You are teaching him that women are subservient to men, and need protecting from them, by their partners (other men). He needs to know, for the sake of his future relationships that women are people, and deserve the same amount of respect and courtesy as any other person does.

Otherwise, I predict that in 10 years time, his wife will be on MN, moaning about how her MIL spoiled her DH by doing everything for him, and everyone will be telling her to LTB.

secretsquirrels · 06/10/2014 12:25

Okay. I agree with everyone that he needs to do more and he needs to not just respect you but to be kinder. You say he was not brought up to be like this so how did it come to this. Ideally you want your kind loving boy back and with it some willingness to contribute to chores. If he is working hard at his A levels (is he?) then I agree with his teacher that a part time job should not be for more than a few hours.

Some of the suggested responses sound rather aggressive to me.
Most people confronted like that would be on the defensive straight away and an 18 year old boy most of all.

Is he an only? How are the siblings?
My suggestion would be to sit everyone down. Tell DH to join you and back you up. Make a list of all the jobs in the house, how much time they take and who does them. Start by telling him that you feel his attitude to you has changed and that things he says are hurtful. Ask him why he thinks it's okay to speak to you as though you were a stranger he disliked? Is he trying to be nasty or has he genuinely not realised?
Then explain the changes.
I wouldn't go mad on the chores but insist that he prepares his own lunches and does a few other bits around the house. Most of all he needs to learn to think carefully about how he speaks to you.
Get the love and kindness back in the house and then work on the chores.

AnyFucker · 06/10/2014 12:29

If he doesn't like the standard of service at your house, he knows where the door is, right ?

CleanLinesSharpEdges · 06/10/2014 12:32

You've created a monster.

I'd suggest an explosion of the "who the fuck do you think you're talking to" variety, along with a withdrawal of all housemaid services and financing of anything unless it's to do with education.

pieceoftoast · 06/10/2014 12:37

I would stop indulging him for the sake of your sanity but also his future wife/partner. Why does he think he can get away with being so horrible to you? Does he have this attitude towards other women/people? Just withdraw your kindness and tell him he can sort his own food/washing/money out.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 06/10/2014 12:38

I disagree with the 'you've created a monster' sentiment, the majority of kids try it on at some point regardless of how they've been brought up. Occasionally ds comes out with some real corkers that definitely don't come from Dh or me, it's very occasionally though as I'm pretty sharp with anything like that poor child Wink It's how you deal with it when they do come out with this sort of stuff that is key.Smile

ContentedSidewinder · 06/10/2014 13:02

You are far too nice, he should have a list of chores, and the top one is unpack the dishwasher so that his majesty can personally inspect everything coming out Grin

Then to earn any computer time, he should be doing other jobs around the house because you are raising an adult, a fully functioning one. Leave him a list, if the chores are done to your satisfaction then he can have the wifi password.

Give him a month to find a job to enable him to continue going to the gym, if he hasn't found a job then stop paying for it. It is a luxury and he needs to learn that luxuries are earned.

You are so lovely, but you aren't helping him. I have very grim memories of living with 4 boys at university in my first year, they couldn't cook, at all. Unless it came out of a packet and into an oven or you added hot water to it (pot noodle) then they didn't eat it. They also didn't clean up after themselves. Disgusting. Needless to say, I didn't share with any of them again!

Haffdonga · 06/10/2014 13:26

For Pete's sake Morven , for the sake of your son's future partners, you need to stop the entitled lazy spoilt behaviour NOW, before he moves out and gets another woman to wait on him hand and foot. I'm gobsmacked that he sits waiting for you to make him lunch when you get home from work. Why on earth don't you just say ' I'm out today so if you want lunch you can make it yourself' ? Confused

I have a lazy 18 year old ds doing A levels too, so I do understand the pressure you're both under. But, if my ds doesn't like what I've cooked he buys and makes his own. If he doesn't have clean, ironed clothes when he needs them, he has been taught how to wash his own - and does. We have a family rule that nobody leaves the kitchen until the washing up and dishwasher loading are done, so everybody has to help. Since the advent of a girlfriend he has miraculously taken a sudden interest in cleaning his bedroom Shock

Our school has said that a one day a week job (but no more) is manageable and I don't know of any of ds's friends who don't have a job so it can be done.

You say it feels like bullying. So just please please put your foot down and stop letting him be the bully.

AnyFucker · 06/10/2014 13:29

gotta agree with Haff

you are doing your son no favours at all here

only a parent would tolerate such selfish behaviour...when he tries similar out in the real world he will get some very nasty shocks

Vitalstatistix · 06/10/2014 13:29

You absolutely have to deal with it both because it is unacceptable to treat you like that but also because you do not want him to behave in such a bullying way to any partner he may have in the future.

You don't want him to become one of those men.

He needs bringing up sharp, right now.

shaska · 06/10/2014 13:41

What Haffdonga said. Crystal clear vision of the future, some poor woman on the future version of MN posting 'DH criticises everything I do, especially how clean the house is, but doesn't lift a finger to help, what should I do?'

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