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Parenting teenagers has its ups and downs. Get advice from Mumsnetters here.

MaryZ's support thread for parents of troubled teenagers

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MaryZcary · 28/10/2012 10:12

I am starting this thread in the hope that it will become a safe space for those of us strugging with very challenging teenage behaviour.

I'm hoping that it will be a support thread, rather than descend as so many threads do into a "criticism of the parents". Those of us in this situation know that it is pretty much impossible to just "tell them to stop" or to "ground them", and taking away phones, money and gadgets leads to lying stealing and running away Sad.

Sadly it seems cannabis is at the bottom of an awful lot of these children's problems, and I'm hoping we can talk about that here without having to defend ourselves against the "cannabis does no harm" brigade. So if anyone tries to turn it into an argument about whether cannabis is addictive or harmful, could you please just ignore them and hope they go away - or start another thread which I can hide where they can argue away happily.

Anyway, sign in if you are interested. I'll be back later.

OP posts:
daisydoodoo · 13/11/2012 13:23

sorry ds2 is 10 not ds1. and who i was referring to in the paragraph on taking a turn for the worse.

flow4 · 13/11/2012 22:51

daisy, depression is not your fault! Please don't feel guilty about the possibility that you might have passed it on to your DS. Some kinds of depression can run in families, but even if that's true in your case, you can't help it - any more than you can help what colour his hair or eyes are.

As well as the ADs, are you getting any other support? It sounds like you really need someone to talk to - have you got, or can you get, some counselling?

I really identify with that feeling of 'wanting to make it all better' and feeling awful because you can't. I think this is one of the most difficult things about being a parent of a teen - you feel very powerless sometimes. But I think that even when you can't stop them from making bad choices and messing up, what you say to them and the example you set for them personally does still make a difference: you have influence on the type of adult they grow up into, even if you can't change their behaviour now.

Ungrateful, most of us have lost it at one time or another. Don't beat yourself up over it, if it's not happening often. You already know it doesn't work or help, so you know you need to avoid a repeat if possible. I know it's easier said than done, but Maryz's advice to detach yourself emotionally is really good!

You're probably already aware that Monday/Tuesday mornings are particular 'flashpoints' after weekend excesses (I was with my DS), but is your DS himself aware of this? I found it helpful to point out the pattern to my DS (e.g. saying "Do you realise you haven't been able to get up any of the past four Mondays?" or "Have you noticed you feel terrible on Tuesdays if you've been out on Saturday night?") - it meant he was 'forewarned' that he wouldn't feel like getting up, and why; and in fact he has recently started to be more restrained on Saturdays because he can see for himself it makes a difference.

Your first counselling session sounds disappointing. But do still give it a go. I found it took a few weeks for me to start to feel the benefit. If your counsellor continues to be so unprofessional unhelpful, then maybe it's worth mentioning it to your GP? At our practice, there are two counsellors, and sometimes it's possible to 'swap' if you don't get on with one of them.

Blimey, it's hard sometimes, isn't it?!

daisydoodoo · 14/11/2012 10:19

I dont have any other support. I have friends but don;t feel able to talk to them about the issues but hats my problem, i don;t talk. I keep thinking i must insist to the gp to refer me for counselling as well, but at his first hesitance to do so i back down.
My ex (the father of all my children) is supportive and we get on a lot better now we are divorced and no longer live together than we did married under the same roof. If anything hes harsher on ds1 than i would be. But we discuss it away from the children and present a united front.
I am trying to back off from ds1 and not be so involved, its hard though.

ungrateful- wow how unprofessional of the counsellor. That obviously was not helpful at all. Can you be referred to another one? It sounds like your ds tries to be 'good' and then the presssure gets to him? i of course could be talking out of my arse! one of the good things that comes out of a thread like this is that it helps us to know that we arent alone, and that even though there are varying degrees of misbehaviour amongst our teens, at least there is somewhere we can turn to to rant/scream and get it off our chests without feeling like we are being judged.

bluerach36 · 14/11/2012 17:28

Hi ungrateful sounds like you've managed to get a duff counsellor.... but don't give up ...and don't waste your precious emotional energy trying to make it work with her!!! I had a similar experience but really clicked with the second lady. Its worth trying someone else.

My roller coaster is sadly at the bottom at the moment...went to Juvenile Court yesterday following DS's arrest 2 weeks ago...never ever thought I'd be inside a court let alone listening to them speak about my son?! had a minuscule breakdown before work last night...crying and crying, head bursting, snot bubbles, the lot!! But feel a bit better this morning! Just dropped him at school. Deep breath....and roll on another day. We CAN all do this!!! (can't we...??!!)

foxy6 there are so many similarities between your DS and mine...we too were stuck in the cycle of impact room (where they are supposed to reflect....surrounded by all the school's other 'problem' children??!)/inclusion/exclusion and finally permanent exclusion. They just seemed to want to wash their hands of him. He too can be such a funny, bright and lovely boy, loves animals, very perceptive to peoples moods (when calm) but can flip from day to day; hour to hour sometimes. Weed has just compounded everything over the past 2 yrs. He is now at a pupil referral unit and doing pretty well most of the time. I hope home education works for your DS.

We've been through all the tick box crap, CAMHS, etc etc to try to help DS. We finally saw a child psychiatrist privately in the summer after a couple of years of my family insisting something must be wrong with him...I have always been fairly sure there wasn't....and there isn't. He felt low self esteem and anger issues....surprise, surprise. I'm know many children's issues are complicated massively by Aspergers, ADHD and learning and mental health problems. But much as sometimes it would be so nice to hang a label on my son to explain his behaviour, and maybe lessen the blame and guilt I have, I think now that some children are just born like this. Its sad to read everyone's posts but so nice to know I'm not alone!

dietstartsmonday · 14/11/2012 18:24

Evening all, its starting again!
Phone call from the school today DS2 involved in an incident. They have said he wasn't the one who started it or that involved but according to their statements he did hit this boy. DS2 apparently saying he didn't but head of year said he felt this was untrue. So 2 days in isolation.
Got home and DS2 swears he didn't hit anyone and says that his friends backed him up on this only the boy who got hit said otherwise. I know who the lad who def did hit this boy is.
So quedtion can i ask to see statements as i want to make sure that this isn't a case of cos he us known and was there has been named?

brighterfuture · 14/11/2012 21:49

Traumatic week with ds1 16 walking out of school after a very unfair event.... after meetings with head etc where they admitted Ds had been unfairly treated... all back on the rails now just about

Ds 1 has been having a lot of situations lately where things have gone badly for him and any unfairness hits him especially hard at the moment. He has been smoking dope heavily and taking other drugs, talking of quitting school etc. but over the last 3 weeks had really made an effort and has been more pleasant and reasonable, joining in more with the family.

Tonight we were having a rare happy family meal when dd8 said she saw ds1 with his "bomb" just before dinner. She clearly means bong... so I request quietly to Dh to leave it till after we've eaten as I wanted for once a nice united meal.
Dh who was in a bad mood from work started goading ds1 saying how would he like it if he came to the meal drunk ? Implying that Ds was stoned. Ds immediately got very angry and defensive and threw his glass of water a DH which led to a lot of shouting a posturing...

I am so fed up. Its so not fair on my other Dc. Ds 1 has caused so much trauma , but lately he's really been making more effort. He even did 4 hours school detention today which normally he'd have skived off. It shows how bad its been that I am proud of him for doing a detention and willing to ignore the fact that he's hit a bong before supper Sad

I'm furious at Dh for his shit timing and refusal to respect my request. He just loaded all of his annoyance onto one easy target Ds1. Why couldn't he have waited till after the meal to talk to Ds1 and spared our other dc yet another scene?

Just needed to off load really. I'm trying so hard to keep Ds1 together, sane and healthy whilst giving my other dc a normal family life. I'm really upset that Dh could just come along and sabotage a nice family moment.

flow4 · 14/11/2012 22:40

Oh there is a lot of stress around at the mo, isn't there?! :(
Has anyone got any stress-busting treats/nice things lined up to help them cope? :)

Wishinglifeaway · 15/11/2012 19:08

Hi this is my first post on here, but I've reading and following everyone else's ..it practically mirrors my current situation, especially the last post of brighter, and I am so glad, if that's the correct word to use, that I stumbled across this thread. As a family, we are teetering on the edge.

Ds2 (15) has been declining dramatically since July this year. Ds1 (17) at college. It isn't a long time I know, but the the change in his personality etc. was dramatic. Everyone who knows him has described it as a massive U-turn, almost as if there's a loose wire and it's lost it's connection.

Without going into too much detail, we've had the abusiveness, some violence, staying out all weekend from 4pm on a Friday until 11pm the Sunday, the problems at school, smoking in our house, etc etc.

I've been following posters such as Maryz and Flow and have been grateful for their wisdom.

He has had some incidents in his past that may or may not have triggered this current behaviour, extremely low self esteem, and there may or may not be weed involved, but at the moment he vehemently denies it.

The last few months have been horrific, as stated by all you wonderful posters earlier, it's like walking on eggshells. The reason why I've decided to post now, is that like brighters earlier post, the doo doo hit the fan a mere half an hour ago in a very similar fashion. I made the really stupid mistake of actually thinking that maybe his smoking had stopped, (no tobacco smells), no "evidence" of other stuff being used, an actual conversation with him on Monday, and resuming his beloved rugby. I actually let my guard down and let out a long breath of air. How silly of me.

Should've gone to school for progress report today. Emailed school to say there's no point in myself and Dh sitting there to be told what we already know, that he is majorly under achieving, and then have to listen to the teachers wagging their fingers in our faces. We're doing our best to try and drag him back on track. He's classed as an urgent on CAMHS list. He said he would attend the college open night instead. Wow we thought. But no, used time from work got home and found he was in an "odd" mood.

To cut to the chase, he then decided to throw a major tantrum, the usual abuse , intimidation etc and said he didn't know why we were making him go, even though he said he wanted to go earlier in the week etc. Dh then threw a wobbler, he left work early, quickly followed by me, after Dh reaction.

I need some advice. I have told some friends about our situation with him, and I can tell they are like some of the earlier posters, with their advice - ground him, no phone (last phone bill was £138 for a month :-( ) no money, etc.and they would , in their words not mine, "lock him in his room". He's a 6ft 2nd row rugby payer, although he has lost over 2 stone since July. But we thought we would try a different tactic, lots of love, and trying to ignore some really bad stuff, there seemed to be a slight improvement... where have we gone wrong?

MaryZezItsOnlyJustNovember · 15/11/2012 19:52

Hi, sorry I haven't been around, I've been having a shitty time with ds2, so am avoiding all mention of teenagers atm. I'll come back later and have a read. Sorry you are all struggling.

Just to pick up your last paragraph there Wishing. It's unlikely you have done anything wrong. What would happen if you grounded him and took his phone etc? I suspect he would punch a hole in the wall and walk out Sad, so I wouldn't threaten something you can't carry out.

ds1 has exams next week. Things were going beautifully, but he has assignments due and study to do. So he stayed home today to catch up, allegedly.

He went out before lunch and isn't back yet. I suspect he will rock up stoned at midnight Sad. But I am gritting my teeth, because if he does fuck up at least he can't blame my interference.

It is so, so difficult [sigh]

MaryZezItsOnlyJustNovember · 15/11/2012 19:54

It's my birthday this weekend flow. And dh is having a party for me. But I suspect ds1 won't come Sad so I don't feel like doing it at all.

and dh and dd are annoyed with me for not entering enthusiastically into the preparations, but I don't feel like celebrating.

Sorry, I'm usually pretty upbeat, but the last week has got to me. We are going down the CAHMS road with ds2 now.

brighterfuture · 15/11/2012 20:45

Maryz I am so sorry you are having a shit time Sad You seem such a wise grounded person. One day your Dc are going to look back and see what an amazing mum they have !

flow4 · 15/11/2012 23:34

Oh Maryz :( I dread the thought of having to deal with TWO teens at once, and am hoping against hope that DS1 will out of his most difficult time before DS2 enters it. I don't know how you do it.

As for teeth gritting... I have literally lost two teeth due to gritting and grinding, and now have to wear a special mouth guard thingy at night, or I get headaches, and more will fall out :(

I know what you mean about birthdays. I have dreaded the last two or three for the same reason, and spent a good part of last year's actually sobbing and distraught, because DS1 was ignoring it totally and was being foul. It was the start of a few months when he was doing a lot of m-cat, and I think he felt guilty he had no money for a present because he'd spent it all on drugs, so his tactic was to ignore it for as long as poss and get defensive when he couldn't ignore it any longer.

He was better this year though... I hope your DS surprises you :)

bluerach36 · 16/11/2012 08:43

So sorry things are rubbish for you at the minute MaryZ

I hope you have a lovely Birthday!!! You deserve it if only for all the wise words and kind support you have offered to others here. I know you have keep me from jumping under a bus (or pushing DS under one??!) many times over the last year.

Maybe he'll surprise you and come. And if not have a few Wine's anyway and let everyone look after you for the day. You're allowed to feel pissed off if you want.

MaryZezItsOnlyJustNovember · 16/11/2012 09:53

Thanks everyone.

Well so far, he hasn't remembered it's my birthday (but then, dh was meant to remind him and has just admitted he didn't), he didn't get home until 2 am and is meant to be in work at 12, so we'll see if he goes.

I'm worried about his college work which is meant to be in next week, but which he hasn't started.

I just know saying anything will make it worse, so I'm gritting my teeth.

ds2 is very different from ds1. I think he has ADHD, but he is a happy kid, and I know in the end he will be ok. I'm just finding the whole thing stressful as it's seeing the same team we saw with ds1 and that ended so badly, I just feel sick every time I have to go out there Sad. And they keep asking about ds1 which makes ds2 grit his teeth and glare a lot. He hates being compared to ds1.

Sorry, I'm not feeling very supportive to anyone else atm. So if anyone feels ignored and unsupported, please come back and repost on Monday, when I will be back to normal, I promise!

I'm considering starting an "it's my birthday and life is shit, so come and cheer me up" thread [self-indulgent] Grin.

doinmummy · 16/11/2012 10:47

Wishing you a Happy Stress Free Birthday Mary. You are so supportive of everyone. I hope things settle down for you x x x

Shagmundfreud · 16/11/2012 10:55

Add my wishes for a lovely birthday to the others here. Smile Thanks

I spent my last birthday crying under the duvet because the kids were being so horrible. Shock

Really having to struggle with my feelings at the moment. Spent all morning with a lump in my throat. DD is giving us such a hard time - over nothing. She is so aggressive and nasty when we try and get her up in the mornings - sniping at me, shouting over me. I gave her £5 today to get two course books she needs for school, and her response was to tell me to go away, she doesn't want the books (she really needs them), then to throw the sandwich I'd made for her out of her bag and stomp off to school - again - having eaten and drunk nothing. She'll go through the whole day without eating, and have her head on the desk by her last lesson. She won't drink to punish me for not giving her a bottle of coke in her lunch bag.

So sick of it.

dietstartsmonday · 16/11/2012 10:56

Happy birthday for the wknd Maryz, i hope you get to enjoy your party, you certainly deserve to be able to relax and enjoy yourself. Lets hope DS1 does turn up and you can all have a good time!

willwegetthrough · 16/11/2012 12:53

Maryz - hope all your family join in to give you a happy birthday.

Thinking of everyone going through these trials - "one day at a time" has become my mantra when I get out of bed, along with "detach, detach, detach" when dd is horrible (that one is down to you Maryz).

DD went to her appointment with the CAHMS counsellor and has agreed to another, so hopefully that will give her some outlet for her frustration at what she feels is her s**t life. Yesterday we talked a little about what she would like to do when she finishes school, but that ended up with me apparently knowing nothing and understanding nothing. I ate some chocolate.

teapot5 · 16/11/2012 14:11

Hi Maryz. So sorry to hear that you are having shit time. I'm not having a great time either (understatement). But I just wanted to say that I (and many of us here) hope that you have a great birthday despite everything you are going through. xxxx

flow4 · 16/11/2012 20:30

Happy birthday from me too Maryz. Wine Thanks I hope your DS1 remembers - but I hope you can enjoy your birthday, whether or not he does.

This too will pass... :)

Brightspark1 · 16/11/2012 21:05

MaryZ Thanks I'm going to put stern face on here, you started this support thread and there are a lot of posters her who are really grateful. But the idea is that we all support each other, you don't need to support all of us. If you're having a shit time, maybe it's your turn to let us support you even if it's just a case of offloading.
Have a great time this weekend Wine Wine

flow4 · 16/11/2012 21:23

Hear hear, Bright :)

Wags finger at Maryz <
Pours M a glass of wine

MaryZezItsOnlyJustNovember · 16/11/2012 21:29

Oooh, errr, that told me Smile.

It's funny, when things were really bad before I found it hard to talk about it, because I couldn't find anyone to talk to. Now I feel a bit guilty shoving my worries onto you lot - which is silly really, because the last thing I want anyone to think is that I have all the answers and that my life is all plain sailing now.

I think birthdays/Christmas/celebrations are difficult for many troubled families. It's when we should be at our happiest that we notice the holes in our family lives, if that makes sense?

I presume you all know that awful feeling of "it's all been going too well, the shit is bound to be just about to hit the fan". Kind of like you are an over-stretched elastic band, and something is about to snap.

That's how I feel - nothing really awful has happened ... yet. But I can't get rid of that horrible expectation.

MaryZezItsOnlyJustNovember · 16/11/2012 21:32

Just as a matter of interest, have any of your children got really upset after going to CAHMS? ds2 had his first visit on Monday, and was pretty chatty and friendly with the woman he talked to, but since then has been really upset - crying and not sleeping and he fell apart completely in school one day (luckily his friends have been very nice to him). I don't know whether it was talking to someone, or whether his medication (he is back on Roaccutane) is affecting him.

He's usually pretty happy. So I'm a bit confused.

Brightspark1 · 17/11/2012 10:53

It's not plain sailing is it? At best it's one step forward two steps back, we carry on because there is no other option. I'm not surprised ds2 has reacted to his CAMHS appt, the apprehension and fear of the unknown must have taken its toll a bit. It's possible that he is usually happy because he puts all his negative feelings in a box , and at his visit that box was opened leaving him confused and upset. Given what he has observed from his brother, he may have taken on the role of being 'the happy one ', or is that cod psychology?
I'm off to do my Christmas shopping, any idea what to buy dd 16, who doesn't think she is worth being given gifts, who doesn't want clothes because she hates her body, and has no real interests? Answers on a postcard please