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devestating effects of weed

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pinkchoccy · 25/02/2011 18:44

I heard this a while back on radio two and I couldn't believe how I could relate to what this father was saying.

Alistair Grays son Jamie who committed suicide because of his cannabis use. Here is his eulogy to Jamie.

TO JAMIE

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We are all here to remember the life of James Alistair Russell Gray who was born in Dundee on 19th January 1988 and who died on 25th July 2009.

There are a great many of us here today to remember Jamie.

You may remember him as an ever smiling, ever running, ever climbing small child, who was inquisitive, mischievous and would never believe that fire was hot until he had stuck his finger in the flame.

You may remember him as the youngest member of his primary school class, in one of the four primary schools he attended; where he fitted in within minutes, was leader of the pack within hours and had completely mastered to local accent within days.

You may remember him as a sportsman. If you are unfortunate, you may recall him glowering at you from the front row of the scrum. He won medals in karate and represented the Central District at rugby.

You may remember him at Balfron High School, where the school reports of his behaviour moved from ?mischievous? to ?challenging?. He brought laughter wherever he went, including to classes. Despite this, he generally managed to charm his way out of the most serious trouble.

You may remember him at work, where he always gave his best; whether for two years in the kitchens of the Beech Tree, 18 months in landscaping or more recently doing the gardens of some of the hot older birds of the village. His best was always very good.

You may remember him as an older brother, loved and loving, stimulating, sometimes a little scary and random, but always supportive; or as a son, awestruck at the wonderful child she had produced and waiting for that wonderful child to return.

There are many of you here who never really knew Jamie but have come here instead to remember Chunky, with his swagger and his style and his ?Nakamura ate ma dog? Rangers strip.

You will recall his energy, enthusiasm and stamina at a party. He may have invited your neighbours for a drink by knocking on their windows, even though it was on the second floor. Many will picture him with a glass in his hand and a laugh at his lips; in the pub, or, if he was barred, outside the pub. Full on, maximum volume ? that was the Chunky way.

You will recall him for his courage and loyalty, always willing to wade into any fight at your side as no one was going to mess with his mates. He always had your back.

You will recall him for the Chinese letters tattooed on his neck of which he was so proud, saying ? who knew what? If you are kind you will try to forget his singing.

Food and drink were important to him, whether making it as Chunky the burritos king, eating it straight from your fridge at three in the morning or redecorating your car or your room with cheesy chips and pakora sauce.

Many will recall his kindness, his gentleness and his natural courtesy. He would always help one in need, with his last pound for your bus fare, his only jacket if you were cold, or his tent at T in the Park if yours was lost; although giving you half of his sandwich if you were hungry might have been a step too far.

However you remember him, everyone who met him was aware of the galaxy of talents that he had at his disposal. You will have seen his intelligence and wit. You will have seen his charm, his cheek and his charisma. You will have seen his pride and his honour, his determination and his unbending will. You will have seen his looks with his bright blue eyes, his dazzling smile, his strong build. You?ll have known his sometimes brutal honesty, his decency, his generosity of spirit and his loyalty to those he held dear, and you may have been one of the many who wondered why he had not quite seemed to make the most of all these abilities.

I think it is only right that I try to explain what we understand to be behind this.

When Jamie was around 13 and for several years after, he chose to smoke cannabis. The effect of this drug on his developing brain was to cause significant damage, such that for the last five years he suffered constant internal mental anguish which stifled him from leaving home, enjoying sport, travelling or having people close. He would never accept that there was a psychological cause for his problems and he embarked on a fruitless search for a physical explanation. The condition was, as far as we know, permanent and untreatable. He use his considerable reserves of mental resolve to continue living as normal a life as he could, only ever divulging his inner torment to one person.

We cannot be sure, but it would seem that on 25th July, he decided that if the miserable and painful half life to which he was consigned was all he had to look forward to, it was not worth having. Therefore, he took the courageous, terrible and to him, entirely logical step of ending it at the time, place and manner of his own choosing. Today, comfort is very thin on the ground but, if there is any to be had, it is that his tormented mind now has the peace it could not find in life.

There are some people who have felt that they failed Jamie and, had they been more attentive to him, might have saved him. To you I would say this: you could never have known. He used all his abilities to conceal the nature and degree of his problems, preferring instead to appear as the Jamie and Chunky that you knew. His condition had robbed him of many things and I think that he valued his friends as the mainstay of his existence. To have traded their love, affection and respect for their pity would, I think, have taken from him all he had left.

There is a moral to this tale and I would sincerely hope that all of you, but particularly those who have teenagers, will have teenagers or are teenagers would heed it. Cannabis is not the safe, happy, recreational drug some fools would have you believe. If it can cripple, torture and kill one as mentally and physically strong as Jamie, so it could you too.

I started this attempt at a tribute to the life and untimely death of a totally exceptional young man by speculating on how you might remember him. You might therefore reasonably ask me, his father, how I remember him.

That, I fear, is too difficult a task for today. For I have so many memories of Jamie, from when I first held him in my arms, a few minutes old and cried with joy at my perfect, first born son; to when I last held him in my arms and wept with despair at his loss. To me, he was at his happiest and most free on a cloudless sunny day, high in the French Alps, hurtling down a steep field of fresh snow, with the wind in his hair, with his snowboard at his feet and with his great smile on his face.

So goodbye, my beautiful boy, goodbye.

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JAJAJA · 11/03/2011 20:32

Oh, and I just wanted to add - I am not the ignorant one here, maybe I am being insensitive and I am sorry but I hope, even, god forbid if I was in a similar situation, I would rather the truth than unjust vilification.

I am saying the equivalent of, 'people tragically die of choking on fish bones, there are also many who enjoy and benefit from fish, therefore fish isn't evil'.

Heroine · 12/03/2011 00:53

I think you are saying that if concrete was an illegal substance, some one tripping over a concrete paving slab would become a massive 'person trips on illegal item' campaign.

The fact is that many people have negative things happen to them in their life and if those people don't smoke cannabis - there is no news. If they do, we can all blame it on the dope.

Maryz · 12/03/2011 09:44

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cheapskatemum · 12/03/2011 20:03

(((hugs))) Maryz, coping with a DC with Aspergers is hard enough, before the cannabis comes into the equation.

From my standpoint, mother of 4 DSs, if cannabis was made legal, I could predict that DS3 would immediately have similar problems with it to DS1 (DS2 has ASD, SLD & is given a controlled dose of Risperidol for mood disorder: Bi-Polar)

JAJAJA · 13/03/2011 23:39

lol - I didn't realise there were more pages. The concrete slab would be partly to blame - the 'cause of the problem', in Heroine's analogy as well, I still appreciate them though. Well I would prefer some sort of gravel perhaps, I don't know, I don't really like concrete in general, but you know what I mean.

JAJAJA · 13/03/2011 23:42

I can't see the downside of lifting the ban on weed. People will find a way to smoke whether or not it is illegal, surely we are in a better situation if it's controlled. I don't see why people can't see the ban as being as futile, wasteful and harmful as prohibition was.

Heroine · 15/03/2011 01:38

I do think that one should be able to have the choice of reasonably mild drug that one indulges in - I worry about my liver with the enforced expectation that I must continue with alcohol as my only social drug, and sometimes I also wonder for people's sanity who drink - some of the buggers who drink regularly in an 'approved' way are clearly suffering mental issues from drinking daily - many normal chap where I live is nattering to himself after a few on his own.

Also if you are someone who tends to get violent and/or argumentative on the drink, and is warm and giggly on the grass/hash why can't that person have the right to choose grass?

Many a time I have drank wine or carried on drinking when I really wanted somethign different and it does seem wierd that we know about something, understand something, and can easily suply something - as a nation - that is so directly in the right category for this second choice, and yet we block it, make people who use it criminal, and stop fading tobacco companies from moving into a logical, recreational but less addictive prduct that could have massive societal benefits as well as individual benefits for some people who just cannot get on comfrotably with alcohol. Further to that, if it was an accepted social drug, people who were ill from alcohol or needed to stopdrinking for health reasons,(and vice versa) would have somewhere normal, not criminal, and acceptable to go for the slightly altered state we british seem to rely on for better social cohesion.

Maryz · 15/03/2011 09:18

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jellybelly25 · 15/03/2011 12:35

This is so sad. I really hope my kids never smoke heavily - it just fucks people up. Definitely did for me, but that was because I was already depressed as a teenager and I don't think anybody had realised.

I'm in favour of legalisation though.

Not because I think it's harmless - it's not. I'm in favour because I think the gateway effect would be negated if it was legal.

If you go to a bar or coffee shop to smoke weed, yuo don't need to go meet someone you barely know in a shitty corner of deepest darkest town in their (stolen) car to get your weed. These are the people who also deal coke and speed etc. There will still be people who want that stuff, but for those who just want to smoke a joint now and again, like having a beer, they don't need to put themselves in that situation.

The issue is very different for adults though than it is for teenagers. I do think it's a big issue, because you are in such a volatile emotional state as a teenager that weed tempers it (where I think alcohol exacerbates it), which is exactly what you want, tbh, at that time. So whilst it's not physically addictive, the habitual addiction, like comfort eating or something, is a problem because it really is the perfect solution for a tense, anxious, hyper or depressed person and a strong dependency develops quickly. And the lottery of whether or not you are predisposed to psychosis, depression etc is played out without being able to tell whether the weed caused it or the tendency towards those things caused the desire to smoke weed. Neither is any good. But the issue is with frequency - even the most psycho of people don't turn into a psycho after one joint or one pint. It's only when you get into the everyday and the larger quantities that it becomes an issue - like with alcohol.

It definitely seems to be an inherent personality thing that makes you more or less likely to go overboard with any substance. But yeah, it is no good at all for teenagers. I like to think that by legalising it it would be harder to sell to underage people.

Maryz - I hope this is some reassurance to you - I was a heavy weed smoker as a teen and up until about three years ago (am now 29), have dabbled with other horrid stuff, and I am now ok. People do come out of it and make a success of themselves...

Personally I don't drink or smoke any more because I can't - I can't do things in moderation and I do awful things when I'm drunk and I lose all enthusiasm for life when I'm stoned. That's my issue, so I don't do it any more. Other people can manage it.

I wish that we didn't need to have an altered state of mind, as a society but it does seem to be a fixation of ours...

Heroine · 15/03/2011 14:48

There has never been any human society that has not had a drug-based approach to scoial cohesion.

JAJAJA · 16/03/2011 18:27

I'd agree with jellybelly, its normal to have your first smoke as a young teen but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it, obviously if it were legalised it would be an age restricted substance. I still don't think the reaction of some parents to discovering that their kids are smoking is justified or helpful, I've seen parents flip out and start screaming their heads off about 'that stinky horrid smell' and boy does it not help.

I think we do all have the right to alter our minds as we wish Maryz, certainly as adults that is, as long as we are not talking about a substance that will make us go on a killing spree... Obviously functioning within society baldebla...important...but as a general principle that one has to apply practically...yes...

We could try to live life entirely sober... some have tried many have failed. I think it's remarkable that our quality of life has actually reached a point at which human beings CAN actually enjoy life without indulging in something to take the edge off reality or without believing that something better lies beyond the grave and that this life is an entrance test. People throughout history have spent their time living in misery, getting fucked up or getting high on religion and in fact continue to do so in much of the world.

But still, we can and do get intoxicated for the fun of it - we could try and live a life without stimulants BUT that would NOT be a normal life by any means... and as long as you're in control and you understand what you are doing - drugs are great fun. I hope to live a happy and productive life, enjoying sobriety as well having intoxicated shenanigans... that IS the normal procedure. And then I sure as hell intend to go out with my guns blazing, I despise the idea of being told that I cannot do otherwise.

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