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devestating effects of weed

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pinkchoccy · 25/02/2011 18:44

I heard this a while back on radio two and I couldn't believe how I could relate to what this father was saying.

Alistair Grays son Jamie who committed suicide because of his cannabis use. Here is his eulogy to Jamie.

TO JAMIE

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We are all here to remember the life of James Alistair Russell Gray who was born in Dundee on 19th January 1988 and who died on 25th July 2009.

There are a great many of us here today to remember Jamie.

You may remember him as an ever smiling, ever running, ever climbing small child, who was inquisitive, mischievous and would never believe that fire was hot until he had stuck his finger in the flame.

You may remember him as the youngest member of his primary school class, in one of the four primary schools he attended; where he fitted in within minutes, was leader of the pack within hours and had completely mastered to local accent within days.

You may remember him as a sportsman. If you are unfortunate, you may recall him glowering at you from the front row of the scrum. He won medals in karate and represented the Central District at rugby.

You may remember him at Balfron High School, where the school reports of his behaviour moved from ?mischievous? to ?challenging?. He brought laughter wherever he went, including to classes. Despite this, he generally managed to charm his way out of the most serious trouble.

You may remember him at work, where he always gave his best; whether for two years in the kitchens of the Beech Tree, 18 months in landscaping or more recently doing the gardens of some of the hot older birds of the village. His best was always very good.

You may remember him as an older brother, loved and loving, stimulating, sometimes a little scary and random, but always supportive; or as a son, awestruck at the wonderful child she had produced and waiting for that wonderful child to return.

There are many of you here who never really knew Jamie but have come here instead to remember Chunky, with his swagger and his style and his ?Nakamura ate ma dog? Rangers strip.

You will recall his energy, enthusiasm and stamina at a party. He may have invited your neighbours for a drink by knocking on their windows, even though it was on the second floor. Many will picture him with a glass in his hand and a laugh at his lips; in the pub, or, if he was barred, outside the pub. Full on, maximum volume ? that was the Chunky way.

You will recall him for his courage and loyalty, always willing to wade into any fight at your side as no one was going to mess with his mates. He always had your back.

You will recall him for the Chinese letters tattooed on his neck of which he was so proud, saying ? who knew what? If you are kind you will try to forget his singing.

Food and drink were important to him, whether making it as Chunky the burritos king, eating it straight from your fridge at three in the morning or redecorating your car or your room with cheesy chips and pakora sauce.

Many will recall his kindness, his gentleness and his natural courtesy. He would always help one in need, with his last pound for your bus fare, his only jacket if you were cold, or his tent at T in the Park if yours was lost; although giving you half of his sandwich if you were hungry might have been a step too far.

However you remember him, everyone who met him was aware of the galaxy of talents that he had at his disposal. You will have seen his intelligence and wit. You will have seen his charm, his cheek and his charisma. You will have seen his pride and his honour, his determination and his unbending will. You will have seen his looks with his bright blue eyes, his dazzling smile, his strong build. You?ll have known his sometimes brutal honesty, his decency, his generosity of spirit and his loyalty to those he held dear, and you may have been one of the many who wondered why he had not quite seemed to make the most of all these abilities.

I think it is only right that I try to explain what we understand to be behind this.

When Jamie was around 13 and for several years after, he chose to smoke cannabis. The effect of this drug on his developing brain was to cause significant damage, such that for the last five years he suffered constant internal mental anguish which stifled him from leaving home, enjoying sport, travelling or having people close. He would never accept that there was a psychological cause for his problems and he embarked on a fruitless search for a physical explanation. The condition was, as far as we know, permanent and untreatable. He use his considerable reserves of mental resolve to continue living as normal a life as he could, only ever divulging his inner torment to one person.

We cannot be sure, but it would seem that on 25th July, he decided that if the miserable and painful half life to which he was consigned was all he had to look forward to, it was not worth having. Therefore, he took the courageous, terrible and to him, entirely logical step of ending it at the time, place and manner of his own choosing. Today, comfort is very thin on the ground but, if there is any to be had, it is that his tormented mind now has the peace it could not find in life.

There are some people who have felt that they failed Jamie and, had they been more attentive to him, might have saved him. To you I would say this: you could never have known. He used all his abilities to conceal the nature and degree of his problems, preferring instead to appear as the Jamie and Chunky that you knew. His condition had robbed him of many things and I think that he valued his friends as the mainstay of his existence. To have traded their love, affection and respect for their pity would, I think, have taken from him all he had left.

There is a moral to this tale and I would sincerely hope that all of you, but particularly those who have teenagers, will have teenagers or are teenagers would heed it. Cannabis is not the safe, happy, recreational drug some fools would have you believe. If it can cripple, torture and kill one as mentally and physically strong as Jamie, so it could you too.

I started this attempt at a tribute to the life and untimely death of a totally exceptional young man by speculating on how you might remember him. You might therefore reasonably ask me, his father, how I remember him.

That, I fear, is too difficult a task for today. For I have so many memories of Jamie, from when I first held him in my arms, a few minutes old and cried with joy at my perfect, first born son; to when I last held him in my arms and wept with despair at his loss. To me, he was at his happiest and most free on a cloudless sunny day, high in the French Alps, hurtling down a steep field of fresh snow, with the wind in his hair, with his snowboard at his feet and with his great smile on his face.

So goodbye, my beautiful boy, goodbye.

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Maryz · 04/03/2011 23:58

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cheapskatemum · 06/03/2011 00:04

Thank you for your thoughts & prayers. Lots of praying goes on here too! DS1 & I went to see local Dr. He was clueless, bless him, at least he admitted as much. DS1 can see a link person on 16th (she's on holiday atm). He has the number of Norcam, a voluntary support group, but I doubt he'll ring it. Since he's supposed to be at Uni, he's phoned the SU to speak to an advisor there and they said one would phone back on Monday to make an appointment. Meanwhile he's under house arrest. I'm so tired from all the emotional turmoil that I'm in bed by 10pm - fully aware that he could then go out, invite friends in etc etc. Feeling completely out of my depth. Thank goodness for this thread!

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Wysiwig · 06/03/2011 08:10

Cheapskate and Maryz, my heart goes out to you both. As I have said in my earlier post, I have a 13 year old. I just hope we escape it xx

cheapskatemum · 07/03/2011 17:56

Where is this teen rehab place, maryz? No-one round here seems to have heard of such a thing. Anglia Ruskin's Student Union didn't appear to have any more idea than our local GP. DS1 commented that they all seem to think cannabis is a bit of harmless fun! If it were heroin there'd be more help out there!

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cheapskatemum · 08/03/2011 19:11

What was th ename of the place in Ireland? We're desperate & will try anything! We're in East Anglia - mid-Suffolk. Your description of an addict fits DS1 to a tee. When the link person returns from holiday & DS1 sees her next Wed, we might find out more about what's available locally.

I can well believe it about the teenage drinking too.

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justhalfwaythere · 08/03/2011 23:52

My sons brought up with strong anti-drugs message - they are bright, popular and sporty.
They are now 14 and 15 and I was stunned to discover they had both been smoking weed for last year. It would happen at weekends - they would get dinner early so they could meet up with their mates - smoke weed and have time for the effects to wear off before they got home. At times I thought they appeared 'different' - slightly tired looking/acting as if they'd had a drink - but there was no smell of alcohol, so I dismissed it.
It was pure chance that I found out - I had a look at a mobile belonging to one of them - the msg was arranging the drop off of the weed.
Saying I was gutted is a pure understatement - they came out with the phrases - 'it's not addictive, all my mates do it, I wasn't waking up craving it...'
They'd been using pocket money and dinner money to pay for it - friends at school had initially supplied for free - but then they had to pay for it. They couldn't relate their suppliers at school to being dealers - these were their mates!

Maryz · 09/03/2011 08:37

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cheapskatemum · 10/03/2011 16:38

justhalfwaythere - when I discovered DS3 smoking a joint, I told the Police, to scare him. They interviewed him & when he told them he bought it from a schoolmate they were down the school straightaway. As it happens, DS3 had taken a bus to his house at the weekend. If not, both the Police & the school would've taken a very dim view of dealing going on at school.

JAJAJA · 11/03/2011 02:24

For fuck's sake, vilifying a herb, that with the overwhelming majority of people is used casually and without problem is idiotic. I don't smoke and I love drinking but it seems blindingly obvious that alcohol is twenty times the greater evil.

Weed is as much a gateway drug as jogging leads to steroid abuse. If you end up a smack head, the chances are you have smoked a spliff or two in your time, as are the chances you've got pissed more than once.

The tales of ruined lives are honestly immeasurably tragic and marijuana does have the propensity to be used too regularly as it is so damn easy to be high and get on with life, this of course does lead to massive problems, not cus weed is evil but because being high on anything constantly has inherent problems.

I was told when I was 14 that it probably wasn't a good idea for me to smoke given my tendencies towards anxiety and general troubled childness. I got high every now and again, experienced enough to realise that weed generally wasn't good for me and I rarely smoke now. If I go to Amsterdam for a weekend sure, and a toke or two on a joint going around when I'm drunk, why not?

Dope is smoked, as beers are drunk by 99% of people, regularly with no problem and it is insanity that it is a class B drug let alone that it is illegal or thought ill of as a result of racist propaganda in the early 20th century, vehement protection of American timber industries and nowadays, Daily Mail readers.

JAJAJA · 11/03/2011 02:35

And Marijuana is NOT physically addictive what so ever. That is an indisputable fact. One has a desire to get high for the same reason one desires any state of mind one enjoys, because it is more fun than one's current state of and mind and you wish to repeat the experience. That and habitual addiction, something that could apply to eating pudding.

fridakahlo · 11/03/2011 04:46

JaJaJa, as an ex heavy user of cannabis who is also married to someone who used to indulge heavily as well, I must disagree. I don't know about the physical addiction but at the height of my smoking I have crawled around on the floor trying to scrape enough cannabis together for a joint. As for mental health issues, I have suffered on and off with depression for years. I used to smoke and drink a lot(late teens/early twenties) and I've never had alcohol make me feel like my brain is misfiring, this has happened more than once whilst smoking cannabis.
I have the odd drink now and then nowadays, but with my ongoing depression there is no way I would touch cannabis as I can not predict the effect it could have on me.

pinkchoccy · 11/03/2011 08:00

Jajaja what aload of rubbish!

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Heroine · 11/03/2011 10:27

I hate to say this, but very often - without cannabis, kids who have all those brilliant qualities find out very quickly that those things that were qualities at school, and at Uni are often deeply resented in the workplace and people who saw a bright future for themselves because of their social academic and sporting success find that working for people who are not only resentful of skills and abilities, have the power to block, belittle and minimise the contribution of people who were 'stars' in every sphere they had come into contact before work.

I know this because my sister is of that sort, never touched cannabis, and has found life after 25 a complete and utter smack in the face - she is constantly depressed and has attempted suicide on many occasions because the light on her dreams is being snuffed out by resentful dullards that life is controlled by.

Cannabis has some effect on 'reality' but people who have not used cannabis get 'logical' depression too, and people who have been stars also get off the path that people expect and they expect for them too - cannabis might be a refuge rather than the cure - at 13 I was being hated, bullied and resented by teachers and classmates alike (posh accent in poor school, intelligent, quite good looking) and got similar agrophobia (that I muscled through) and I absolutely hated my home town and was fearful of going to other towns that supplied kids to the same school - it wasn't cannabis - it was the change in politics that happens when other kids realised they were in a race and you were winning .. and the best way for them to win was to nobble you socially and emotionally.

JAJAJA · 11/03/2011 10:35

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JAJAJA · 11/03/2011 10:53

I didn't mean to imply that I thought smoking weed is completely harmless to all. Like I said, I don't smoke for the reason that I am a little bit nuts as it is, if I smoked on a daily basis I'm sure I would have been sectioned by now.

It is a psychoactive drug and obviously affects people in more complicated ways that alcohol does, it can worsen underlying mental problems... The point I was trying to make is that I do not believe that a teenager smoking a joint is a bad thing, I do not believe that marijuana is evil, I believe it does a lot of good for a lot of people and is a harmless recreational drug in an overwhelming majority of applications...

Perhaps where you are Maryz, but come on, it is just not true, to try and claim that alcohol does not have a more damaging effect on society; what with drunken fights, vandalism, STD's, people being absolute dickheads, wife beating... Not that I'm trying to knock alcohol, i love the stuff.

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JAJAJA · 11/03/2011 18:30

I still don't think the fact that weed may worsen problems in kids with issues excuses the total damnation of the drug. For most people its daily use is a phase, I know it was with most people I know. I also know a handful who smoke most if not every day and although they fit the stoner bill, complete with a total lack of academic ambition... they are happy enough.

I also know two Schizophrenics for whom weed was not a good idea. It is fucking shit but it doesn't move my opinion that Cannabis should be legalised one inch.

I think that treating the issue frankly and telling kids the facts and rare dangers of smoking is preferable to treating a habit they see as a socially acceptable practice with disdain and irrational fear. I think the problem is sometimes, at least in the mild 'stoner waste of a son' cases I have seen worsened by poor handling of the situation.

In the grand case against marijuana I cannot see how the cons outweigh the pros. So many people have enjoyed smoking for something like five thousand years and will continue to do so, the sooner we accept, regulate and confront the rare cases of misuse, the better, for a start we would save a hella lota money... I've seen some figures that put the annual cost of the ban on marijuana in the States at $80 billion.

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JAJAJA · 11/03/2011 19:12

No I am saying that Cannabis has done a lot of good for a lot of people and that it has adverse effects on a small minority of people does not negate this.

Cars run people over but I don't think that just because I don't want to ban all motorised transport I am selfish.

I absolutely did not imply that you are handling anything badly, I said that 'at least in the mild...', implying that these 'mild stoner' cases were the ones I was more familiar with and NOT the terrible situation you are in....

JAJAJA · 11/03/2011 19:14

Oh, and I just wanted to add - I am saying the equivalent of "I know a few people who have choked on fish bones, many more who enjoy eating fish without problems, therefore fish shouldn't be illegal"