For anyone who takes collagen and has seen a difference..

[BraveOctopus]

What are you taking please, and where are buying it from?

Apparently a big old con.

I've been taking Ancient & Brave for about 5 months and not feeling any difference at all, nor am I seeing any.

I bought Elevate recently and will try that when I have finished A & B.

I've tried them all. Avoid marine like the plague.

The only one that works with visible results for me is willpowders but it’s not cheap

Marine collagen is often considered superior to bovine collagen due to its higher bioavailability and smaller molecular size, making it easier for the body to absorb and utilize. This also means it may be more effective for skin hydration and anti-aging, where efficient absorption is crucial. Bovine collagen, while beneficial, is generally favored for joint, bone, and muscle health, where its rich source of Type I and III collagen is beneficial. (Source Google AI summary).

So guess it depends what you want the supplement for. Contrary to a lot of comments you can source where the fish source is from. Also the one I use is wild caught which is better and is 3rd party tested also which was important given it’s not the cheapest of supplements.

Amino acids support collagen production but Collagen supplements provide specific amino acids. Hydroxyproline is unique to collagen, Hydroxyproline gives bones their strength .This is specifically what I take it for. The closest near-equivalent is bone broth as mentioned above and it’s great for you but powdered collagen is easier t consume on a daily basis – and cheaper than if you buy bone broth rather than make it yourself. Just repeating it is a scam with nothing to support your comments doesn’t persuade me and assumes that nobody’s done any research before taking it.

I will look at this too, thank you

Have You found it effective? Does it smell?

Thanks all! I didn’t expect so many replies. I’m not really hoping to reverse aging (that would be quite a shout!) but any improvement in my neck skin would be very nice - just looking slightly less dry.. I am going to get started anyway and will update it anything changes !

The one I have doesn’t as I dissolve the powder into about half a pint of water. Re its effectiveness I’m going to be totally honest and say I’m not sure! I’ve just turned 52 and I believe I’m in perimenopause and my skin fit the first time ever has started getting rashy so it’s obviously not powerful enough to counter the hormone turmoil going on inside me right now! I’m actually intrigued by how many people are saying bovine (usually cheaper also) is improving their joint health so as that’s something I’ve stated to now suffer with, I may have to look into experimenting with that now! If I was younger though I think id stick with marine as I wanted it for skin and hair really.

I use a vegan one by brand 'feel' only because got a deal and forget to cancel the sub.

I hear this is the best way to get collagen but you have to slow boil for a long time.

There's a big thread called "marine collagen - thank you" in S&B, people discuss various ones they've tried. Some folks get no benefit. I've had tremendous benefit. I take both marine and bovine.

I take this too but I have to say that it’s made no noticeable difference to hair, skin, nails, joints. I’ve been taking it daily for 3 months.

Made no difference to me. And the “studies” aren’t robust at all so I stopped taking it

This thread illustrates why AI is so bad for research.

Yes, ChatGPT told OP that collagen works, and Google AI told someone else that marine collagen is better than bovine, because they are LLMs trained on online text. That online text includes a lot of advertising copy from, you've guessed it, sites that sell collagen.

Collagen is snake oil and you're dangerously stupid if you think AI = truth.

Yep, I asked my AI about this and he just spouted off what the website says about it.

Yes, all these AI quotes are getting tiresome.

If somebody can point me to a robust study that proves that taking collagen has any effect whatsoever, rather than a generic AI answer, I might change my mind!

Still, it shows you how to spoof AI, doesn't it? Just write loads of pages that support your scam, and wait for AI to train on them.

Or you could just eat some chicken. Or salmon.

Since this thread is full of AI quotes, here's another one:

Hydroxyproline is most abundant in animal products, particularly meat, bone meal, poultry by-product meal, and salmon proteins. It's also found in smaller amounts in some plant-based foods like legumes, beans, lentils, and soy products. Alfalfa sprouts also contain hydroxyproline, but in limited quantities.

Here's a more detailed look:

Animal Products:
Meat and bone meal: These are rich sources of hydroxyproline.
Poultry by-product meal: Another good source of hydroxyproline.
Salmon proteins: Salmon also contains hydroxyproline.
Small, whole fish (sardines, herring): These can be a source of hydroxyproline.
Organ meats (liver, kidneys): These are also good sources.

And if you don't eat any/many of those?

Your original point with the collagen supplements was they ' are a scam' now your point is it's available in food stuff which I have never disputed.

However, I do not eat fish or organ meat or bone meal r poultry byproducts. Whilst I do eati Beans and lentils as you said have yourself it is present in a smaller amount which is why I choose to take collagen as a supplement and I have personally found it to be affective.

Our collagen levels drop as we age and as I'm not about to chow down on chicken bones iand skin Or kidney - Spooning it easily into a brew works for me.

You still haven't explained how it's a scam only that it's present in foods which is true Of things like Vitamin C or minerals which people take supplements for tOO.

Sorry dude, my neck looks 50. Joints it's great for but it doesn't do much for skin, hair, nails etc.

Like I said I only noticed the difference when I run out in the joints. It's good for boosting protein intake if you get the good stuff. Mine gives about 20g extra approx In a couple of scoops

A miracle worker it isn't. You're better off thinking skin is the biggest organ in the body and the first to suffer if you don't keep yourself hydrated properly and focus on fluids.

I'll let the BBC say it for me.

Collagen supplements: The secret to perfect skin, or marketing hype? - BBC Future

Do you keep yours in the fridge? Just bought some and it says on the packaging to do so, but I know I’ll forget to take it if it’s in the fridge…

When you say ‘half a dose’ are you just taking 1 capsule per day?

I use hunter and gather bovine.
Seen a big difference in joints, hardly any pain in back and neck where as before I was taking ibuprofen a few times a week. No noticeable difference in skin or hair though.

Did you actually read the article that you posted ? Because I can’t see anywhere in there that it says collagen supplements are a scam which is what you claimed in your posts. . It talks about being aware of how studies are carried out and whether they could be biassed which is true of absolutely anything and everything and not just collagen . Statin manufacturers fund many of the studiesused to promote them. I’m more concerned about the influence of big Pharms on what is prescribed than a collagen company claiming to help me age with fewer aches and pains.

It does suggest that it might not be particularly effective for skin which is not why I take it nr said it has improved my skin . But what it does say is “For joint health (like osteoarthritis), some evidence shows short-term pain reduction”, but the quality and quantity of the research is low. This is why I take it. Ineed a knee replacement and was in constant agony and found it difficult to sleep and walk. Since taking collagen it has improved 98% . Again – your initial posts – it’s a scam , it’s a scam – still no evidence of that. Yes, be wary of marketing claims – that is true f everything.