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What screams frumpy?

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bradpittsbathwater · 05/03/2024 08:30

What makes something/someone frumpy? It's hard to define. I know MN can get upset at this word.

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SpringLambForDinner · 10/03/2024 18:38

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SpringLambForDinner · 10/03/2024 19:15

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tittybumbum · 10/03/2024 19:25

Nah. Ima going to ruin it for you

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 10/03/2024 19:48

sunglassesonthetable · 10/03/2024 16:07

Like a moment of internalised misogyny?

Really? That sounds cute but I wouldn't say that, no.

No it isn't. You're unhappy about some of your clothes but you would have to work out what is making you unhappy. And don't be harsh on yourself.

sunglassesonthetable · 10/03/2024 20:01

No it isn't. You're unhappy about some of your clothes but you would have to work out what is making you unhappy. And don't be harsh on yourself.

I've thought about it a lot. And come to some conclusions which I listed earlier.

But I also enjoy the hive mind of S&B.

I also see many posters on this board say " I feel frumpy". This hasn't been addressed on this thread.

Seems like it's a taboo.

In fear of being of being branded as having 'a pop at other women' as someone said. It's more a message of go off and sort it out yourself.

Well something doesn't sit right with me there. Why can't women discuss this without being told to grow up or that they're putting other people down?

Would men be told that?

IloveAslan · 10/03/2024 20:13

DontGiveADuck · 10/03/2024 14:36

I think that’s what I was meaning (without actually saying it). To me it’s frumpy to wear those items if you’re not actually going walking.

And I guess with the bootcut jeans, to me it’s frumpy if you’re still wearing the same jeans 25 years later without ever wondering if another more up to date style suits you. There’s so much choice.

I've never stopped wearing bootcut jeans. I realise there are other styles out there, I look at them and think, nope, not for me. I've even tried on other styles with the same conclusion. I wear them all the time in winter, not just when I'm going walking, the same with boots. If I were to change my clothes every time I went walking I wouldn't have time for much else in my day! If someone texts me and asks me out for coffee I generally just walk out the door in what I'm wearing (not at the moment - I'm still wearing my dressing gown!!).

If something works for you, and you like it, that doesn't make it "frumpy" - awful word - especially when the shops are still selling what it is you want to wear.

Honestly, while there is nothing wrong with keeping up with fashion and picking from it what you like and believe looks good on you, I would hate to be a slave to it as some posters on this thread seem to be.

Bananagirl23 · 10/03/2024 20:23

For me frumpy means not making an effort - so ill -fitting and unflattering clothes and a bad haircut. Maybe a bowl cut and braces. Think Ugly Betty pre makeover. I don’t think it’s about slavishly following fashion trends - I don’t see how someone in skinny jeans and ankle boots could be considered frumpy if it suits their body shape!

PuppyMonkey · 10/03/2024 20:32

@Bananagirl23 It will be hilarious when skinny jeans inevitably come back and all the MN threads will be: “wide jeans look so frumpy, as we always said.”Grin

LadyBird1973 · 10/03/2024 20:46

I haven't worn bootcuts since the 90s. I'm not sure British weather lends itself to them tbh - I remember well the tatty hems being dragged along wet, dirty pavements and that lovely wet leg feeling when you dragged the bottom through a puddle and the water slowly rose up the denim!
I spent the 90s feeling permanently damp!
I'm sticking with skinnies and boots.

Aria999 · 10/03/2024 23:23

@IloveAslan agreed also bootcut is back in a big way. at least where I am (east coast USA)

But frumpy died not equal'on trend' imo

Mentquit · 10/03/2024 23:28

Crikey,I just get out of bed and think about my day
A work so uniform
B day off so jeans and shirt
C meeting friends,so smart casual clothes
It really isn’t hard 🤦‍♀️

Livingtothefull · 11/03/2024 07:00

I really do not like the judginess on here about what is & is not frumpy. It seems to be largely about not liking other people's personal tastes but in reality things are not so clear cut. For example, I don't generally think Mary Jane shoes are very flattering, yet every so often somebody comes along who looks really good in theirs.

I agree that 'frumpy' is a misogynist term. What it ultimately means is 'unpleasing to the male gaze'.

'Mumsy' is arguably even worse. God forbid that anyone should actually look like a mother.

tittybumbum · 11/03/2024 07:15

@Livingtothefull
I don't generally think Mary Jane shoes are very flattering, yet every so often somebody comes along who looks really good in theirs.

This is why I said it's not the clothes. It's how you wear them.

No garment is categorically frumpy. Almost everything could^^ be styled in a good way and even the most incredible outfit could look grumpy if worn poorly

sunglassesonthetable · 11/03/2024 07:42

No garment is categorically frumpy. Almost everything could^^ be styled in a good way and even the most incredible outfit could look grumpy if worn poorly

Agree

LadyBird1973 · 11/03/2024 07:55

Honestly though, I was looking through the FT's How to spend it magazine yesterday and Mary-Jane's with socks are fugly. Never mind not appealing to the male gaze, they certainly don't appeal to my female gaze either! They looked awful even on models.
Now I realise that what designers call fashion, doesn't always translate down into things that ordinary people buy but I'm totally flummoxed by the stylists' thoughts when they put together something so universally unflattering.

rightsaidurs · 11/03/2024 08:12

@PoweredByFairdust I have the same leopard skirt and wear it on holiday with black bodysuit -I don't feel frumpy either ha ha

IClaudine · 11/03/2024 09:11

LadyBird1973 · 11/03/2024 07:55

Honestly though, I was looking through the FT's How to spend it magazine yesterday and Mary-Jane's with socks are fugly. Never mind not appealing to the male gaze, they certainly don't appeal to my female gaze either! They looked awful even on models.
Now I realise that what designers call fashion, doesn't always translate down into things that ordinary people buy but I'm totally flummoxed by the stylists' thoughts when they put together something so universally unflattering.

Billie Eilish wore white socks and Mary Janes to the Oscars. Her outfit was very cute and fun (and was supposed be to a nod to Clueless, according to the Guardian).

henlake7 · 11/03/2024 09:23

rightsaidurs · 11/03/2024 08:12

@PoweredByFairdust I have the same leopard skirt and wear it on holiday with black bodysuit -I don't feel frumpy either ha ha

Saw a lady in town the other day with the most gorgeous leopard print coat...and bright red lipstick!
Honestly I wish I was brave enough to chuck on something like that! I mean I probably wouldnt of worn her outfit per se but it was def a 'look' and screamed self confidence.
I think if you play it too safe because you dont want to look frumpy you can run the risk of just blending in with the beige majority and losing yourself.

LadyBird1973 · 11/03/2024 10:01

@IClaudine Billie Eilish looked like she'd gone to the Oscars in her big sister's school uniform!

Not that it matters really, whether I think she looked silly - so long as she liked it, that's good enough.

Re Oscar outfits, John Cena nailed it, I thought Wink

Tinymrscollings · 11/03/2024 11:06

Whilst no one is obliged to be interested in what they wear or care what others think, it’s disingenuous to pretend that how you present yourself to the world doesn’t matter. It’s just as misogynistic as the word ‘frumpy’ to imply that women wearing things that make them feel confident and put together is shallow and unimportant.

A lot of people think that good style is a ‘you’ve got it or you haven’t’ thing m. I think much of it is science rather than some sort of innate skill. People who work in creative fields often look good, but I think that’s because they are educated about and then immersed in visual culture - they have learned how to interpret preferences and make things look good.

When I think ‘frump’ I don’t think it’s particular items, although there are some choices that you see often, many of which have been mentioned. It’s about not knowing the right questions to ask yourself when choosing clothes.

For example, I have a senior role in a business that involves a lot of not very glamorous, all-weather work. I’m not usually doing it, but I am often there. It’s raining today and I’m on my way to a job. I have a raincoat on because I don’t want to be wet and miserable.

Here’s where I think the anti-Frump comes in: I’m not in the bright coral waterproof coat I wear for walking, which I own because it’s very waterproof and a nice bright colour that suits me, but also in case I ever need finding/rescuing. I’m not wearing a full length beige mac because that would be impractical. I have a waterproof coat in a colour I like, and that fits with the colour palette I have chosen for my clothes. It’s practical and has a hood and pockets, but the cut is a bit more modern/intentional than a hillwalking coat and a bit less formal than a trench. It fits all of the criteria on a list of words and questions I have that sum up how I like to present myself to feel my best, and is appropriate for being out in the lashing rain with an important client. It probably flatters my body shape too but I’m less concerned about that. I’m no style icon but I have a very clear idea of what I feel good in, how to put things together and what I need my clothes to do for me. Practical and comfortable are very high on my list of non-negotiable requirements, but there are other considerations.

Things look frumpy when you don’t have a clear sense of what you like and how to put that into outfits that make you feel your best and are appropriate for your lifestyle. Not being frumpy is about learning your style and asking questions beyond ‘is it waterproof and do I like the colour?’ If someone looks good it’s not by accident. They’ve worked at it.