Has anyone had fillers for jowls and marionettes?

[SadandSaggy]

Getting very down about my marionette lines and jowls. I am 50 and would like to try fillers to look a bit more lifted and refreshed. Has anyone had this done? I am a bit worried about side effects. Those of you who had it done, can you feel your fillers under the skin? I am in London and would also be happy to have recommendations. I am willing to pay good money for someone reputable!

Califrown
I think I may bruise quite easily
Probably it would have not bruised quite as much if she had used a cannula
User8721643839
Thanks I’m hoping so when the bruising goes

It took me ages. (A couple of years ) to pluck up the courage

Chickenstripper
Thanks. I have felt a bit worried
I told the injector and she said it was ok but I must be a bruiser
She did check it was nothing nasty by video call

Whatever you do make sure the injector is a medical professional. Only they can use the dissolving agent if the filler ends up in the wrong place. It’s mind blowing that literally anyone can pick up a needle and inject someone’s face. A disaster just waiting to happen & often does.

Filler doesn’t lift. It fills & can reflect light to create the illusion of lift but it doesn’t actually lift anything. Anyone who tells you it does is lying and shouldn’t be let loose.

Only mild marionettes should be filled. If they are deep then they are likely past the point of filler and to do so would create a flat, unnatural looking chin. Think Nicole Kidman.
The ways faces age aren’t all to do with lines and sometimes treating other areas is far more beneficial to rejuvenation. Filling Temples is one very effective way. Hollow temples are very ageing but most don’t even think of it until they see the difference when they are filled. No one other than a medic has the skill to do that though & a beautician wouldn’t even know it can be done.
Fillers were intended to replace lost volume but sagging ultimately requires surgical intervention. With that in mind it’s best not to focus on one area of the face but as a whole. It may be that you are fixated on your mouth area when elsewhere could be better treated.

Filler never completely leaves the body. Up to date research shows this. Ultrasound can pick up 10 year old filler. The only way to really get rid of it is to dissolve. That’s why it’s particularly important to make sure it’s administered properly.

@Mckmck123 were you treated by a medic? How does the area look today?

Nichole Kidman in The Undoing I should say. She’s otherwise very beautiful but has crossed the line of good cosmetic work recently & looks very peculiar in this.

daydreams when you say a medic, do you mean a cosmetic surgeon?

Are filling temples still fillers? When you say surgical intervention, do you mean a face lift?

Questions ...

This thread is a wonderful example of an unregulated industry.

They look good! They take about 2 weeks to settle tbh.
I've always had a needle rather than a cannula , my lady has explained why but I can't remember what the reasons were....
I'm thinking about having profilo next week but heard mixed things

@blueshoes

Yes a medically qualified. Doctor, Nurse or Dentist. That’s in the first instance. Whether or not they are artistically skilled is another issue but in the first instance you need them to be able to manage a problem should one arise.

Yes temples can be filled with HA fillers. Youthful faces are full at the top and ageing ones full at the bottom. Marionettes are a result of slipping fat pads from the upper face. Filling them is mostly counter productive because it’s adding more weight to the bottom of the face.
Temple filling restores volume where it once was. There was never any in the marionette area.

Surgical intervention can anything from lower/upper eyelid surgery, brow lift, lip lift etc to a full face lift. Eye surgery is quite simple but can transform the face. Simply chasing lines is problematic. That’s why people look so odd when the Botox is overdone.

LadyJJ

Your filler looks great, can I ask what she used?

I'm thinking of having Ellense (administered by a qualified doctor) I've had Botox with him already. Anyone had this?

My worry is I believe it cant be dissolved, however he said that profhilo is just better for a quick refresh before a party or something as it doesn't last long,. The Ellense apparently lasts 1-4 years!
I'm very scared of it going wrong though.

@LadyJJ don’t do it! Stick to a reputable brands HA filer that can be dissolved. Not just in the event of it being misplaced but should it migrate which is very usual in the face.

@Daydreamsinsantafe it was my understanding of Profhilo that its not filler as different in structure, I may be wrong tho.

@bluepeacock it's called Revolax.

@LadyJJ sorry, I meant no to Ellanse. Profhilo is great but some have better results than others

@Daydreamsinsantafe ah thanks.
Yes I've heard mixed things from 'it's AMAZING' to "made no difference " about Profhilo.
I wouldn't have anything put in my face that couldn't be dissolved..

Daydreamsinsantafe

LadyJJ

Thank you - I think you are both right. I may try profhilo instead. I've also read that Ellanse needs to be administered through a cannula and under local anaesthetic - none of this was mentioned by the Dr! He was very "oh no there'll be no swelling/pain etc - you'll be fine"!

@bluepeacock just realised I had addressed the wrong person earlier! Apologies @LadyJJ

Profhilo works best on those with dry skin. It can have a real ‘wow’ factor there. On already hydrated skin not so much. Again it will not improve structure or lift.
Re your Dr, there’s huge profit in aesthetics. Very few practitioners put patients before profit. You will quickly be upsold by the wrong practitioner.
You can read lots about Ellanse & other treatments on Realself.
Always good to arm yourself with a bit of research.

Daydreamsinsantafe
Thanks for all the info. Are you a medical person.?
The bruises are fading a bit and no pain at all but I have a bruise above the lip and wasn’t injected there
She is a qualified nurse and has done lots of training
Perhaps my marionette lines were too deep but she said it wouldn’t be a problem !

@turnaroundtime

Be very careful. It's less common to fill these lines now as the trend has moved to filling higher at the cheeks to lift the face rather than fill the crease. The crease is often caused by fullness (fat) falling down (gravity) above the line causing the crease. Filling the line can result in a puffed out monkey face. What is often better is refilling higher and lifting the fullness back up where it was.

Yes, that's what I've heard too. They also prefer to try the cheek filler before tear trough filler, possibly for similar reasons. Though it's not something I've had done so I don't know the details.

Your filler looks really well done @LadyJJ

@thank you! I'll tell my friend who does them for me !

@Mckmck123

I expected a little bruise but I have this from marionette line fillers Lady used a needle maybe a cannula would have been better ?

I recently had lip line fillers to get rid of my cats bum lines and ended up with similar bruising. I've had it done twice before with no I'll effects so I'm hoping it was just bad luck this time.

I had my marionette lines done about 6 years ago, at a posh clinic in town. I was then 56. I loved the results. It was done over 2 appointments, cost £700. I had bruising for a week, easily covered with make-up. The effects were immediate and after 18 months, the lines gradually came back (worse than before).

I had them done again last November, at a local chemist, for £200. The effects were instant again, the bruising for a week again. This time, the filler was all injected on that one appointment. About 6 weeks later, (Christmas or just before) I noticed that where the lines had been, there was a faint white line either side. That got bigger, and actually looks as though I've got toothpaste oozing down the corners of my mouth, if that makes sense. I went back to the chemist, told him. He reckoned it's where the killer is "showing through the skin". I don't think so - it looks as though the skin has split on the bottom layers (like stretchmarks). I can cover it with make-up, but the white lines are there all the time. If you get something done, go to a proper clinic and ask to see before/after photos

Everydaydayisaschoolday
Think after this I will live with my marionette lines

[quote Daydreamsinsantafe]@blueshoes

Yes a medically qualified. Doctor, Nurse or Dentist. That’s in the first instance. Whether or not they are artistically skilled is another issue but in the first instance you need them to be able to manage a problem should one arise.

Yes temples can be filled with HA fillers. Youthful faces are full at the top and ageing ones full at the bottom. Marionettes are a result of slipping fat pads from the upper face. Filling them is mostly counter productive because it’s adding more weight to the bottom of the face.
Temple filling restores volume where it once was. There was never any in the marionette area.

Surgical intervention can anything from lower/upper eyelid surgery, brow lift, lip lift etc to a full face lift. Eye surgery is quite simple but can transform the face. Simply chasing lines is problematic. That’s why people look so odd when the Botox is overdone.[/quote]
Daydreamsinsantafe that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

Will temple fillers lift the eye lids? One signs of aging is eyelids becoming more hooded. Or is an upper blepharoplasty a better solution.

I can't believe people are going to men in chemist's shops to get this done. Go to a proper doctor who knows all the structure of the facial muscles etc. It doesn't cost any more.