Real leather boots - does the high street not sell them anymore?

[SnowyQueen]

I want a new pair of leather ankle boots (not suede). It seems that most shops just sell expensive “vegan” (cheap plastic) boots. Where can I find leather boots??

[quote WaltzingBetty]@chaosrabbitland
Asia is not a country

Which of the OP's posts makes you think she's not aware that leather comes from dead animals? of course she's making a choice with her purchases. It's just a different choice to you. That's allowed.

And you're the one on her thread deflecting and derailing and being generally unpleasant.

It's very odd. [/quote]
well aware that asia is not a country , yes im sure shes well aware if the fact leather comes from dead animals and yes of course we all make our choices that are allowed , but it pisses me off when a poster like love labs points out the suffering of animals and people that comes from buying these products and of course because china is mentioned that is one of these countries with a terrible reputation of animal abuse that she is atomatically called a racist be the op in a response to deflect from her choices to buy a product an animal had suffered and died for . i mean it just pisses me off , if you want to buy shoes and clothes made from dead animals and eat meat and dont give a shit about how the animal suffered and died for you to do so , just fucking own that rather than get all pathetically defensive and call racist at them to deflect from your choices

@chaosrabbitland

of course because china is mentioned that is one of these countries with a terrible reputation of animal abuse that she is atomatically called a racist be the op in a response to deflect from her choices to buy a product an animal had suffered and died for

You seem to be struggling with comprehension.

The OP Has specifically asked for leather shoes. You acknowledge that the OP is aware leather comes from dead animals. How is a thread started by a person asking specifically from shoes made of leather, and who is aware leather comes from dead animals in any way deflecting from her choices?

How is a totally inaccurate negative stereotype about a country such as 'China treats companion animals with barbarism' not racist?
What is your basis for supporting that assumption? Have you lived there? Done any research? Interacted with many of the millions of Chinese people who own companion animals?

How is that statement even relevant to the OP and the question asked?

Joining random threads purely to be unkind and racist is frankly, pretty vile behaviour.

most countries have animal cruelty. asia has some of the worst records of it

This statement implies that Asia is a country and that you have access to records of animal cruelty around the world - can you link to your evidence please @chaosrabbitland ?

You're making a lot of accusation and assertions. It would be nice to see what that's based on

Where have you looked for boots OP ?

@WaltzingBetty

most countries have animal cruelty. asia has some of the worst records of it

This statement implies that Asia is a country and that you have access to records of animal cruelty around the world - can you link to your evidence please @chaosrabbitland ?

You're making a lot of accusation and assertions. It would be nice to see what that's based on

i really dont need to waste my time linking records when im sure you can look all this stuff up yourself , the op called another poster racist when she mentioned china and its record of animal cruelty , so i responded , its not racist to say that china had a bad record of cruelty , so do many other countries its true , but its bloody pathetic to call someone racist for stating a simple fact , if you want to see evidence of chinas treatment of animals plus other countries im sure you are capable of looking it all up yourself , there is plenty of evidence of it ,

i really dont need to waste my time linking records when im sure you can look all this stuff up yourself

No I can't, because I don't believe it exists. You're the one making these claims. Show us what your claims are based on.

its not racist to say that china had a bad record of cruelty , so do many other countries its true , but its bloody pathetic to call someone racist for stating a simple fact
So link to that record then @chaosrabbitland
Also that's not what the other poster said.

It's racist to call millions of Chinese people 'barbaric' simply because they're Chinese.

It's not racist to say that lots of countries have poor animal welfare standards. See the difference?
You're defending the former.

Also, how is it remotely relevant to thus thread. Why are you wasting your time defending lazy racist stereotypes?

Ecco boots are expensive but last a long time.

I agree about Ecco shoes and boots. Well worth the money.

direct.asda.com/george/women/shoes/black-leather-heeled-chelsea-boots/GEM850723,default,pd.html?cgid=D1M1G20C20 I don’t know how ethical this leather is but I’ve had several pairs of boots from Asda over the years - very long lasting and incredibly comfy.

@WaltzingBetty

i really dont need to waste my time linking records when im sure you can look all this stuff up yourself

No I can't, because I don't believe it exists. You're the one making these claims. Show us what your claims are based on.

its not racist to say that china had a bad record of cruelty , so do many other countries its true , but its bloody pathetic to call someone racist for stating a simple fact
So link to that record then @chaosrabbitland
Also that's not what the other poster said.

It's racist to call millions of Chinese people 'barbaric' simply because they're Chinese.

It's not racist to say that lots of countries have poor animal welfare standards. See the difference?
You're defending the former.

Also, how is it remotely relevant to thus thread. Why are you wasting your time defending lazy racist stereotypes?

well if you dont believe chinas record on animal cruelty than you must be willfully ignorant. i guess its bliss for you .as people like you can then feel guilt free when animals suffer for you . the other poster said chinas barbaric record .she did not say all chinese people support animal cruelty. you and the op are nitpicking holes to support your sad justification of racist cries .

well if you dont believe chinas record on animal cruelty than you must be willfully ignorant. i guess its bliss for you .as people like you can then feel guilt free when animals suffer for you .

I guess you missed the posts where I said I have lived and worked in China (with animals) for years and don't actually buy leather myself?

Or are you just choosing to ignore reality in another effort to be unpleasant?
What is your experience of how Chinese people treat their companion animals? I assume you've done research or lived/worked there.

After all making assumptions based on stuff you've read on the internet would be pretty ignorant wouldn't it?

Show me the 'record' you keep referring to that shows 'Chinese people treat companion animals barbarically' as that's the statement you've chosen to defend.

You've clearly got plenty of time on your hands to keep making unsubstantiated claims, so why can't you show any evidence?

@chaosrabbitland so saying China treats companion animals with barbarism isn’t a harmful stereotype? It’s racist. You and Lab could’ve mentioned the US, India, Belarus etc, but no. You mention China and then East Asia. You think you’re more “civilised” than “barbaric” East Asians? No you’re not.

Anyway all I wanted was for some leather boot recommendations! Two very odd women have derailed my thread with their racism. Bye.

Oh and just to add to my last point. Lab kept mentioning “barbaric” practises against “companion animals” and dog meat/dog leather. Dog meat is not commonly eaten in China. That’s like saying all Scottish people eat sheep brains and intestines, or all American people eat roadkill.

@HumbugWhale

It is very difficult to buy shoes ethically - there's the animal welfare concerns with leather or the non-biodegradable vegan "pleather* alternative. It's easier in summer when canvas is an option but that's not much help in winter. Timberland's environmental credentials seem fairly good on their website, not read anything independent about them.

@HumbugWhale that’s a false dichotomy - I always hear people saying the only option is plastic, environmentally unfriendly vegan leather or ethically problematic but environmentally ok animal leather.

Luckily now you can get vegan leather which is much better for the environment - made of biodegradable materials. Leather is hardly unproblematic for the environment because although it’s degradable, the chemicals used to make it can be highly damaging to people and the planet, and of course rearing animals for skins and meat is one of the biggest contributors to global warming.

Anyway OP if you’re not able to find leather boots, you’re doing something wrong. I don’t wear leather and sadly it’s everywhere - there’s still way, way more leather than vegan leather.