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RETINOL - I'm a new comer and have no idea!

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beansprout55 · 20/09/2021 19:13

Hi all,

I keep seeing in mags and even on here that retinol cream is widely used to improve the appearance of skin - and I'm keen as ever to join on the retinol band wagon but I've no idea where to start, what to buy and how effective it really is!
I was hoping for some advice off anyone who recommends and uses it. I hate my skin. I have some acne scars (not major) and I get the odd spot. Lots of white heads or skin coloured bumps deep under the skin that never surface and you can't really see them without a magnifying glass. Was thinking of a chemical peel but anxious to get one unless it's from a medical clinic and they are so so so out of my price range.

Key things I really want to know;

  1. Will it help with acne scarring?
  2. What is the best product to buy? Recommendations...
  3. How effective is it REALLY?
  4. Stories on how it helped you, if at all?
  5. Retinol or retatonic acid?
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hanketypankety · 20/09/2021 19:15

Following! I have a retinol cream in the cupboard by medik8 that I won in a raffle and I'm too frightened to use it Blush

Marbles321 · 20/09/2021 19:20
  1. Yes
  2. Visit Dermatica and get a dermatologist prescription specifically for your skin
  3. Prescription strength retinoids (tretinoin, which is what dermatica will probably give you) are very effective. Transformed my skin in 6 months, helped with sun spots, melasama, fine lines, and generally given my skin a glow its not had since I was in my early 20s (mid 30s now and sleep deprived with small dc). I've also always been spot prone and while you will probably go through a purging period for a couple months, once you're out of this you will get fewer spots, if any.
  4. See 4
  5. See 1 and 2

I love it. Literally the best product you can buy for your skin - just combine with lots of good basic moisturiser to get through the early purging and irritation/tenderness that comes when you start. It's worth the struggle - Google before and after tretinoin to see.
And make sure you start at a low percentage (which an online dermatologist will do)

beansprout55 · 20/09/2021 19:56

Thanks! You've been SO helpful!!x

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Claudia84 · 20/09/2021 20:08

What @marbles321 said!
It’s brilliant. Get the proper stuff and you can pretty much forget any other fancy cream. Buy an SPF and that’s it.

beansprout55 · 20/09/2021 20:17

@Claudia84 what do you use? How did it help you? Xxx

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Whentheydontmeanwhattheysay · 20/09/2021 20:20

Wow @Marbles321 those before & after pictures are impressive!

Do you mind me asking, what sort of cost is it?
Thanks

Whentheydontmeanwhattheysay · 20/09/2021 20:24

Ooh they have a free trial.

Now I just have to decide if I go for my dark spots or my wrinkles!

needtogetfit21 · 20/09/2021 20:28

Sorry to hijack but I was going to start off with the la Roche posay retinol which is apparently good for hydration as well as the usual benefits. What's the difference between buying off shelf and getting a prescription?

Whentheydontmeanwhattheysay · 20/09/2021 20:39

For reference.

I’m wondering what size this cream is if I’m needing one every month?

RETINOL - I'm a new comer and have no idea!
GreekTragedy · 20/09/2021 20:56

Oooo didn't realise they did other products. I bought some on recommendation for my teenager's terrible skin.

I've attached a picture but it doesn't look that bad in the picture. But it was. Within 4 weeks of using it, their skin was clear. They won't let me take an "after" picture. Bloody teens! 🙄

Was going to recommend it on Mnet but thought maybe people would think I was a salesperson or something as I change my user name so regularly.

RETINOL - I'm a new comer and have no idea!
RETINOL - I'm a new comer and have no idea!
nordicnorth · 20/09/2021 21:04

Our of interest how long did it take for everyone to see results with your Dermatica products?

I've been using it for 6 weeks and it's made no difference yet (maybe even slightly worse) and I'm starting to get even more down about my acne.

DoodlePup · 20/09/2021 21:07

I use Skin and Me and have had the same reaction as the poster above, it’s absolutely brilliant, has changed my skin in just a few months

I have a referral code for first month free, if anyone wants it feel free to PM me

Wavypurple · 20/09/2021 21:08

I use the Ordinary retinol and I love it. I think it’s less than £5 but I’m sure the above posters have much more knowledge than me about what is the best.

I started on the lowest strength once every other day and worked my way up the strengths over about 8 months.

As someone above said you must wear SPF everyday with retinol without fail as it increases your skin’s sensitivity to UV rays.

Marbles321 · 20/09/2021 22:09

I think with Dermatica I started to see a glow about 3 months in, but it's not until 6 months you really see the difference. It's long term skincare - I plan on using for life, and it's so effective that I've actually saved money by cutting back on other, fancier products.

In answer the the question about cost - its a £20 a month subscription, BUT you can choose to have it delivered every other month, or every three. Tbh I think every other month is enough - you only need a tiny amount, and especially at the start you will want to take it slow as it can cause irritation if you dive in too quick. So you're looking at £10 a month.
I've never finished a bottle before the next one has arrived and I do every 2 months, so reckon its enough!

A few other things. They will usually start you on a very low dose and then you gradually work your way up as your skin gets used to it. You will start on 0.25% and then if you think after a few months your skin can take it and is no longer feeling irritated, ask them to move up.
I've been using it 18 months and am now on the highest prescription of 0.1% which is the strongest you can get. No need to rush though- its slow and steady wins the race! Rather than getting a facial or treatment that shows instant but short term results, think of tretinoin in terms of years. No rush, no stress, and no problem if you don't use it every day/ have a little time off.
I tend to use mine every other night, and don't take it with me on holiday (it makes your skin more sun sensitive so a high spf EVERY day, factor 30 or more) is needed.

Unless you have the skin of a rhino, expect it to be sore at the start, at least the first few weeks. You can help ease that by: not using too much, using it only 2 or 3 nights a week to start, and "buffering" it with a plain moisturiser afterwards. Also let your skin properly dry after washing it before you apply as it sinks in quicker into wet skin and can irritate more.
If you find your skin is sore/peeling, just take some time off, use lots of ceramide and hyralonuic acid cream (Cerave moisturiser is perfect for this) to help repair your skin barrier, and when it's calmed down start again.
Your skin will get accustomed to it though, it just takes time and its different for everyone.

Also, if you're prone to spots you might find you get some zingers at the start! I certainly did - a few really deep painful spots that came up, didn't come to a head, then went away. But eventually the spots stop :)

There's loads of advice online about how to ease into using tret.

Anyway, as you can tell I love the stuff! My skincare routine is pretty simple- a good cleanser with hot cloth, tret and cerave at night. And then cleanse, maybe the occasional glycolic acid toner in the morning, a simple moisturiser and good spf. I do use other things occasionally but mainly for fun/added extras! Tret is a powerful active so I advise against using vitamin c or any acids with it at all until you're a few months in and your skin is used to it, or you're taking a break from tret to try something else.

Marbles321 · 20/09/2021 22:17

@needtogetfit21 the difference is the type of retinoid.

Off the shelf is retinOL which is a type of retinOID. Prescription is retin-A which is also a type of retinoid, but much stronger

The way the percentages are worked out are different for retinols and retin-As

If you're not sure, start with a low dose off the shelf retinol and see how you get on. If you find you've moved to the top of the percentages in off the shelf stuff, you can move onto prescription. Off the shelf stuff might be blended with other nice things for your skin, plus fragrance etc and feel more "luxe". RetinA (tret) is straight up retinoid and doesn't feel luxe at all!

Basically the higher the percentage the faster it works (although it also comes with more irritation)

Prescription stuff has traditionally been used to acne and the fact it helps with wrinkle was discovered by accident I think!

Oh and also doctors advise not to use while pregnant or breastfeeding- you can always come off and start again after.

lindyloo57 · 20/09/2021 22:21

Don't bother with any over the counter products, if you have a friend or yourself going abroad any time, in Spain you can buy retinol from most chemists, its called retirides there, its the stuff you can pay £100. from a dermatologist, it cost around 15 to 20 euros in Spain, start with the lowest strength then work your way up , I did start with the ordinary one, some on here say it not so good, all I will say when I first used it, I used to much and my chest was really sore and peeled, so you must start with a low strength. and use spf everyday.

NotMyCat · 20/09/2021 22:51

This is using skin and me before and now

RETINOL - I'm a new comer and have no idea!
RETINOL - I'm a new comer and have no idea!
NotMyCat · 20/09/2021 22:52

And my forehead before and now

RETINOL - I'm a new comer and have no idea!
RETINOL - I'm a new comer and have no idea!
beansprout55 · 20/09/2021 22:53

@NotMyCat wow! Your skin is gorgeous 😍 what do you use???x

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Hamsteronrollerblades · 20/09/2021 23:02

Skin and Me is better than Dermatica, in my experience. Better customer service and the formulation causes less reaction. Dermatica caused a flare up of Roseacea that they then provided zero support with while skin and me were much more helpful and sorted my awful (hadn’t been before Dermatica) skin out.

NotMyCat · 20/09/2021 23:04

[quote beansprout55]@NotMyCat wow! Your skin is gorgeous 😍 what do you use???x[/quote]
Prescription retinol from skin and me then just cleanser, moisturiser and SPF

CreepingDeath · 20/09/2021 23:26

I agree with everything Marbles has said - if you chose to go down the tretinoin route, it is a long term thing rather than instant results. But it is worth it if you persevere. The retinol you get over the counter is a much weaker strength, like a distant cousin of tretinoin. It might be a good place to start if you are totally new to any retinol.

Tretinoin is prescription strength medication in cream form, so not recommended if you are pregnant or breastfeeding. Also takes about 3 - 6 months to properly acclimatise to it.

The reason it is the gold standard is that it has decades of clinical research behind it. Was tested originally in the 70's as acne medication, and the participants reported other benefits including a reduction in fine lines and wrinkles.
It works by increasing cellular turnover (which slows as we age) and increases collagen production. It also thins the upper layer of skin (which is basically dead skin cells) and thickens the underneath layer. But this means you need to wear a high SPF everyday if you start using it, otherwise you may do more damage to your skin than good.

But be prepared to go through crap looking skin for a while and come out the other side. Also, it's not a miracle worker, as in it wont make you look 25 if you are 50, and wont work on significant jowls etc.

I get mine online from a pharmacy in Spain, but I don't think they deliver to the UK after Brexit. If you are in the UK your best bet is Skin & Me or you could go to a dermatologist (which will cost a fortune).

needtogetfit21 · 21/09/2021 07:06

Excellent thanks so much!

Claudia84 · 21/09/2021 08:00

I used dermatica although now using skin and me (it’s weaker strength but it’s cheaper as I used to get tretinoin and Azelaic acid from dermatica in separate bottles whereas skin and me is mixed).
Just clearer, brighter skin overall. As you can see I had pretty bad skin before. It’s improved a lot now.

RETINOL - I'm a new comer and have no idea!
RETINOL - I'm a new comer and have no idea!
Whentheydontmeanwhattheysay · 21/09/2021 16:14

I’m a little bit scared of it actually. I think I will try the ordinary first.
@Wavypurple do you use a moisturiser on top of it?