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DH wants to buy me Uggs. Are they still ‘a thing’? Other suggestions welcomed.

66 replies

NellietheNumpty · 09/02/2021 10:39

Just that really.
DH wants to splash some cash having brought COVID home and grounded me. I am still off unwell after 5 weeks and in need of cheer.
My skin is like sandpaper as a result so dealing with that could be an option. Jewellery is a possibility.
Make me a wish list.

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FamilyOfAliens · 10/02/2021 08:46

Here’s the thread - some great posts from PBJelly on the wool / sheepskin issue.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/style_and_beauty/4156603-canada-goose-too-hot-for-london?pg=8

HoppingPavlova · 10/02/2021 09:02

They don’t go around ripping the sheep’s skin off and leaving them laying there flayed FFS. The sheep is killed for meat, then instead of chucking the skin out with the other bits they use it for Ugg’s, sheepskin rugs, sheepskin jackets etc. There is still a surplus of skin to what’s required for these side industries (as in lots is disposed off with other unwanted parts) so no sheep will ever be killed just so that someone can have a pair of Uggs.

They are great. So comfy. I’ve never not had a pair since I was a teen. I generally always have 2, a knee high pair for cold weather and ankle job for in-between weather. Only ever wear them at home though as it’s considered quite bogan to wear them out and about here. Weirdly we are the home of Uggs but our domestic market is pretty much only the boots and slippers. The lined shoes you wear out and about/fashion lines only seem to be available in the export markets, probably because our climate has no need for them?

HoppingPavlova · 10/02/2021 09:06

Is sheepskin a by-product of the meat industry? Do we eat a lot of mutton in this country?

Yes it is and in context if Uggs it’s irrelevant if you eat a lot of mutton or not. Uggs come from our sheep and between our domestic and export markets (excl live meat export) there’s a shitload of lamb eaten. You will find here the amount of ‘lamb’ sold far exceeds our lamb numbers. Essentially a great proportion of lamb sold here is actually mutton.

HeronLanyon · 10/02/2021 09:06

I have never owned Ugg’s thinking them just ugly and not comfortable looking. There are lots of danish / Norwegian felted wool
Slipper type things around at the moment. Can’t really say they aren’t pretty ugly too though but better than Uggs IMO.

FamilyOfAliens · 10/02/2021 09:08

They don’t go around ripping the sheep’s skin off and leaving them laying there flayed FFS

Did anyone suggest that?

FamilyOfAliens · 10/02/2021 09:11

Maybe be a bit less aggressive with your posts, @HoppingPavlova?

It’s always good to have as much information as possible when making an expensive purchase, I think.

I get that you like them - the OP wasn’t so sure.

HoppingPavlova · 10/02/2021 09:25

Not aggressiveConfused, just pointing out that there are not a load of sheep being chased around because someone wants their skin for Uggs. And yes, do speak from personal knowledge as a sheep property has been in one line of the family for a few gens and I had the joy of staying periodically as a child and teen. Would have been a decent holiday if they were not in middle of nowhere and hot as fuck whenever we went.

FamilyOfAliens · 10/02/2021 09:53

Again, no-one on here has suggested flaying sheep or chasing them around for their skin.

Just trying to share information in a sensible and calm manner, without hyperbole or projection.

PBJelly · 10/02/2021 10:47

Hi @FamilyOfAliens thanks for tagging me.

I think there’s a similarity with leather and sheepskin although the details are hard to come by - I can’t find much on comparing the two products.

Both leather and skin are touted as ‘by-products’ and as a means to reduce waste - those skins from slaughtered animals otherwise wouldn’t be used, right? There’s also the sense that buying leather or sheepskin is different than fur - fur is sourced primarily from animals that are killed from their skin. Many people have the sense that leather and sheepskin is different - animals aren’t slaughtered just for skin.

But we can make a distinction between ‘by-product’ and ‘co-product’. A by-product is a secondary product that is made in the manufacture of something else. A ‘co-product’ is a desirable secondary good, which can be sold for profit. Leather and sheepskin are co-products - they are sold primarily to make profit. Not to minimise waste.

Further, in some cases, it’s the skin itself which is the primary source of income, and not the meat. Calfskin is an example of this - less people are eating veal these days, but the demand for soft, unblemished calfskin leather is high. Ostrich is the same - the estimates I’ve seen are that 80% of the value of the birds come from their skin. So in some cases, the skin is a primarily product, the main income stream.

I realise that most leather isn’t calfskin or ostrich, but it’s an illustration - skin is just another way of profiting from the farming and slaughter of animals.

If a farmer wants to monetise a flock of sheep or herd of cows, there will be different ways of doing this. A flock of sheep can be monetised by selling lambs for meet, wool, older sheep for mutton, and sheepskin. A herd of cows might make a farmer money through dairy, meat and through leather.

If people were to stop buying leather, the meat industry would suffer. If people were to stop buying meat, the leather industry would suffer. Rearing a cow to slaughter is more profitable if you can sell the meat and the skin. We need to see it for what it is - skin is a way of making money from an animal, not a way of reducing waste. Farmers sell skin because they’re making good money from it.

For me it’s a perception thing - animals are slaughter for their meat and their skin. Both are profitable outcomes of rearing and slaughtering animals.

FamilyOfAliens · 10/02/2021 10:58

@PBJelly

Hi *@FamilyOfAliens* thanks for tagging me.

I think there’s a similarity with leather and sheepskin although the details are hard to come by - I can’t find much on comparing the two products.

Both leather and skin are touted as ‘by-products’ and as a means to reduce waste - those skins from slaughtered animals otherwise wouldn’t be used, right? There’s also the sense that buying leather or sheepskin is different than fur - fur is sourced primarily from animals that are killed from their skin. Many people have the sense that leather and sheepskin is different - animals aren’t slaughtered just for skin.

But we can make a distinction between ‘by-product’ and ‘co-product’. A by-product is a secondary product that is made in the manufacture of something else. A ‘co-product’ is a desirable secondary good, which can be sold for profit. Leather and sheepskin are co-products - they are sold primarily to make profit. Not to minimise waste.

Further, in some cases, it’s the skin itself which is the primary source of income, and not the meat. Calfskin is an example of this - less people are eating veal these days, but the demand for soft, unblemished calfskin leather is high. Ostrich is the same - the estimates I’ve seen are that 80% of the value of the birds come from their skin. So in some cases, the skin is a primarily product, the main income stream.

I realise that most leather isn’t calfskin or ostrich, but it’s an illustration - skin is just another way of profiting from the farming and slaughter of animals.

If a farmer wants to monetise a flock of sheep or herd of cows, there will be different ways of doing this. A flock of sheep can be monetised by selling lambs for meet, wool, older sheep for mutton, and sheepskin. A herd of cows might make a farmer money through dairy, meat and through leather.

If people were to stop buying leather, the meat industry would suffer. If people were to stop buying meat, the leather industry would suffer. Rearing a cow to slaughter is more profitable if you can sell the meat and the skin. We need to see it for what it is - skin is a way of making money from an animal, not a way of reducing waste. Farmers sell skin because they’re making good money from it.

For me it’s a perception thing - animals are slaughter for their meat and their skin. Both are profitable outcomes of rearing and slaughtering animals.

Thanks for doing all the leg-work on this, PB and for presenting the information in such as accessible and non-judgemental way.

Quite an achievement on the S&B board!

WowStarsWow · 10/02/2021 12:49

I can't believe anyone doesn't realise that Ugg boots are made of sheepskin! Sheep... skin... the skin of a sheep?

Ariela · 10/02/2021 13:06

Personally I'd go for a Barbour coat. I bought my daughter one last year and it is lovely, very well made, toasty warm and waterproof. Apparently very fashionable, and she loves it, best present ever.
(I only bought it because the chap in the tack shop had just got a batch in and said they were selling well, thought it'd do for a Christmas present)
I keep dropping hints but husband is tone deaf to hints, unfortunately.

StCharlotte · 10/02/2021 14:47

I have these Uggs which I requested last year when I knew I'd be back wfh at some point. They are delicious to wear and have survived being caught in the rain although I wouldn't make a habit of it. They are definitely for outdoors I don't like the plain boots (normal length or mini) though.

www.ugg.com/uk/classic-mini-fluff-boot/192410387588.html?utm_source=awin&utm_medium=aff&utm_campaign=Lyst+Ltd&awc=3382_1612968063_f2419c29d5608af829ac5cb402ae29d5

Floridaflipflops · 10/02/2021 14:52

@XiCi

Actually they are back in fashion now. The minis are being worn by Kendall, Bella, Serena, Hayley et al and are very much back on trend. They are really cosy on the feet if you're in need of some tlc.
Are they Barbies friendship group? 🤣
FamilyOfAliens · 10/02/2021 17:32

[quote StCharlotte]I have these Uggs which I requested last year when I knew I'd be back wfh at some point. They are delicious to wear and have survived being caught in the rain although I wouldn't make a habit of it. They are definitely for outdoors I don't like the plain boots (normal length or mini) though.

www.ugg.com/uk/classic-mini-fluff-boot/192410387588.html?utm_source=awin&utm_medium=aff&utm_campaign=Lyst+Ltd&awc=3382_1612968063_f2419c29d5608af829ac5cb402ae29d5[/quote]
Maybe it’s just me but they remind me of these lovelies that you used to see in the Betterware catalogue - you can put both feet in to keep them warm while you’re sitting watching the telly Grin

DH wants to buy me Uggs. Are they still ‘a thing’? Other suggestions welcomed.
StCharlotte · 10/02/2021 17:53

@FamilyOfAliens

Oh don't! They're called the Cornish pasties in this house Grin

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