Blond hair question

[Rooftree]

There are many older women out there whose hair must be naturally white but have it coloured a beigy ashy blond colour.
How the hell is this done?!
All blond dyes which are perm have bleach in to lighten darker hair burnI would bet money that these women with white hair aren’t bleaching their already white hair surely?
There must be a blond dye that deposits colour without lightening but I sure as hell cant find it.
I tried to move to semi perm as this wouldn’t bleach but there are literally none that are blond, they are all darker. Even a castings ash blond one isn’t blond, it’s much darker and is also gingery.
So please please someone tell me, how on earth do I add ash blond colour to my greys? There HAS to be a way and I truly don’t understand why I can deposit browns but not blonds. These older women must be doing it, how?? Not everyone who wants blond hair has darker hair, some of us have white or greying hair that we want to tint blond!! Please please help!

Have you looked into coloured hair mousse?

hairdresser here - as a previous poster said some semi's can have an effect on your natural colour (the brown) and lift it half or a shade which can result in exposing the warm tones in your hair which make it look brassy. grey hair can be resistant to colour so it may not take (grab) on to your grey hair, if it does take, then they do fade after a few weeks/days, its dependant on how often you wash your hair and how porous your hair is.

some semi's can cover/blend a certain percentage of grey but for anyone thats over 25% grey then a permanent is needed as the level peroxide used with it allows the colour to deposit in side the hair shaft.

previous hairdressers probably suggested bleach highlights as you still have quite a lot of your natural colour and would be an effort to avoid the above.

Rooftree when I used semi permanent it never washed out just faded slightly and grew out. My hairdresser told me semi perms weren’t that different than permanent really.

some semi's can cover/blend a certain percentage of grey but for anyone thats over 25% grey then a permanent is needed as the level peroxide used with it allows the colour to deposit in side the hair shaft.

Well, all my hair looked steely grey with whiter streaks. Like a silver back gorilla! The natural pigments I use, I think, cover this pretty well. My hair looks a natural blonde now with a few darker brown streaks.

Well, all my hair looked steely grey with whiter streaks. Like a silver back gorilla! The natural pigments I use, I think, cover this pretty well. My hair looks a natural blonde now with a few darker brown streaks.

not disputing that your method doesnt work, as you said, some natural ingredients are incredibly powerful at staining. what ive said is in regards to using chemicals and how they work on the hair

raffy, yes, I just thought I'd clarify the difference between natural pigment staining and chemical semi permanent hair dyes.

My bleach free die was called a high-lift.

High-lift uses 40 vol developer (creme peroxide) and has higher levels of ammonia. It will lighten all hair- which isn't what the OP requires.

OP are you me!? I am literally sitting in the hair salon right now having a full head of highlights (with bleach!) put in after an all-over "ash blonde" tint, which I said repeatedly that I wanted cool toned, beige not gold, ashy not warm, etc turned out a proper strawberry red blonde. I have gone to a new salon who said full head of highlights, and over time as the strawberry blonde grows out it will look more ash blonde and the greys will merge in nicely.

I think the other thing is that there does seem to be quite a crossover between what is considered ash blonde and what is considered grey.

Go too far with the golden or red tones then it is no longer considered ash blonde but 'brassy'. Have too much brown and it is no longer blonde but brown. Not enough of any of these tones then it is still grey. Added to this people have different opinions of the colour.

A strand test, I think is the way to go to ensure the exact colour you want. With my own experiment I was careful just to use a tiny bit of what I knew would be the most powerful pigment, namely turmeric. My only guide was the amount people were using to dye their hair cartoon yellow. But to do this they mixed pretty much a whole pot with conditioner to make a paste which they left on their hair for hours. I carefully used only a very tiny amount and did a strand test before covering all my hair in my tea. The redbush, camomile and coffee aren't as powerful. I just put enough for a strongish tea (like you might drink) with the camomile. I used less for the red bush and coffee because all I wanted it to do was counteract any canary yellow type tones. Depending on what shade you require you would just alter the amount of gold, brown and red staining ingredients.

Apologies if anybody has already suggested this but would this work?

www.superdrug.com/L%27Oreal-Paris-Age-Perfect/Age-Perfect-Colour-Care-Gold-Grey-Hair-Toner/p/750183

Mine was completely fixed today. I'm very happy with it. It's gone exactly the shade of silvery ash blonde I was hoping for. The hairdresser said she put in a full head of blonde highlights with bleach (even over the greys and whites, because it lightens them as they go yellow over time), lowlights in between to cover the previous strawberry blonde dye, then a toner all over, and I can then use a blue/purple shampoo once a week to reduce any tendency to go yellow or brassy. And the nice thing is that it's such a close colour to some of my grey hair that it won't show at all as it grows out - it'll show more underneath at the back where my natural hair colour is still darker, but that's only visible when I tie my hair up.