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This thread is about as French as a Sainsbury's baguette

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AuldAlliance · 23/05/2018 10:06

But we'll still enjoy it...

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MessyBob89 · 02/07/2018 12:09

Totally following this thread! Working on building a bit of a classic French girl type collection of staples at the moment - shirt dresses, silk shirts, cigarette pants etc.
Mango seems to be really on the ball at the moment, love most of what they have in at the moment! Have felt disappointed with Zara recently though.
Really loving Sezane but more for social (window) shopping - just a bit pricey. Similarly love Rouje and very tempted to buy but is it quality stuff does anyone know? Want to make sure it'll last if spending the money. Sticking to the high street sales for now. Also love Joanie's stuff which isn't so classic but the prices mean it doesn't need to be...
Any other smaller brands that are good?

botemp · 02/07/2018 13:19

Flo, I don't know. I always struggle to believe women when they say that. Not that I think they're liars with a better than thou attitude but more slightly delusional. Like it or not, the way we dress always stands in relation to some extent to the outside world. There's people who avidly reject mainstream fashion but I've yet to see someone disentangled from it completely, unless it's a work uniform or similar. Conservative or even sustainable fashions are subject to changes just as easily, they're just slower in becoming apparent and there's less radical change. I always think those studies about shorter hemlines and brighter lipstick in poorer economic times are fascinating. We're indirectly influenced far more than we think and it's more than this anonymous block of anonymous 'fashion dictators'.

Bani, I faintly remember the b&b line being launched and oddly it was loved by a lot of my mother's older friends (post menopause basically) and they were obsessed with it, thought it was very odd at the time as they weren't plus sized at all.

Pond water and other mystery sludge probably describes my usual autumn colour palette, quirky, screw rich chocolates and caramels, I'll take a bit of grubby dirt with it instead Blush

I actually had a bit of a play with some of the slingbacks and kitten heels I still have this morning, Elle. They're a bit different than the ones out now, but the look is the same. Does still feel a bit too formal but I was trying them on under my Max Mara skirt and that's how I wore them then, I need to try them under other things I think. A wide leg trousers or maxi skirt maybe, I'll have to have a proper paly. Did end up choosing a pair of mid heel Ferragamos that I don't ever really wear except to funerals, touch overdressed but I'm going with it for now. Shoes do tend to stick around long for me. They're the only things I properly invested in from the get go and I rotate them often enough so they rarely wear out, they feel out of time rather and just get stored away for a few seasons instead.

I remember Minimarket, I worked on a design proposal for them once. I wonder if they're still in business, the dress looks lovely and 100% silk to boot. The Everlane flats look great on you too, lovely and clean but still dressed up without feeling overtly formal. Currently I can't stand anything with straps around the ankle on me, I can't make up my mind if it's a shift in proportions or if it's a time related thing.

Can't really advise on the things that are smaller thing. I was very consistently the same size for a very long time. I've held onto things I genuinely loved just in case i fall back into a bigger size again but if I was someone who would easily drop and gain I think I'd still do the same, or at least cover the practical stuff like a mini work wardrobe but realistically at one size down it isn't that noticeable that your clothes are too big. Not sure how helpful that is Confused

Ah lovely trousers, I've fallen down the vintage rabbit hole myself when Farfetch alerted me yesterday they have a vintage section which allows returns (as I understand it). It's mostly from the 60s onwards (though possibly they have earlier stuff, I tapped out at the €300 mark) but have seen some lovely pieces. Utterly confused by the sizing though, they give good measurements and the models have very similar measurements to me, they're just taller but I do wonder if they've clipped certain pieces in as I struggle to see how it would fit with some measurements. Anyhow, totally enamoured with some brown wool 70s Ungaro trousers and there was another 90s pair from Jil Sander but that definitely looks to be too big by the measurements. Too many nice things overall, some great Yves Saint Laurent work skirts. I've filled my wishlist up accordingly. Pricing is high I would wager but the possibility of no hassle returns makes it an easier entry for me. Not going to purchase anything yet, waiting on my Jacquemus order first and visiting the Antwerp second hand shops this weekend but loving the discovery. Have also spotted two green silk moire tops in there, not the thing I was looking for but it shows it is out there.

I really like how they've styled things as well, very much with other contemporary pieces which is how I'd want to wear them. They've also got me thinking a pair of sculptural slingbacks a la Dries or Rejina Pyo (or Catharine's Uterque ones if I wasn't on the fast fashion abstention) would be a nice addition to my wardrobe. They'd certainly make today's outfit that bit more interesting. Will try to remember to take a pic when out and about later.

Slightly off topic, Cecily/Chloe/Camilla, sorry have forgotten your exact username but you started a thread on dressing like a woman and femininity and paged the bo and Flo show in and I assume you're lurking on here from that. Sort of related to that thread, watched Hannah Gadsby's 'comedy special' Nanette on Netflix last night which was really interesting, sensitive and explorative of the subject (less related to dressing itself, but definitely what stands at the foundation of it) as someone who fails at femininity (I'm paraphrasing, she said it much better but I've forgotten the exact phrasing). Really recommend it.

Welcome, Messy. I've never bought from Rouje as the fabrics have put me off. You can have a look at Musier Paris which is similar but better fabrics. If you're ever in Paris it's worth visiting Nathalie Dumeix, I'm pretty sure she designs the Rouje line behind the scenes. There's a few designers of interest on Tictail too, Laura Laval Paris is great on there.

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This thread is about as French as a Sainsbury's baguette
This thread is about as French as a Sainsbury's baguette
MessyBob89 · 02/07/2018 13:42

@botemp Ahh thanks, the Musier stuff looks lovely - thanks for the rec! Smile

banivani · 02/07/2018 17:54

I’m going to have a look in Mango. I never find anything there (very seldom get a chance to go in a real shop) - to me it’s the very same as Zara?

At the moment this thread is making me a little down. So clear that us ladies of a certain size have much fewer options 😩

Oh and after working in a dry cleaner I don’t rate Filippa K much for quality. Wait for the sale - over-priced!

botemp · 02/07/2018 19:54

Sorry, Bani, don't know what to do about that. I feel limited as well at the other end of the spectrum but in no way is it the same thing.

Filippa K has always been good with me but I agree that it's very much overpriced for the offered quality (a universal issue imo across the higher end of the high street/entry level designer shops). I do feel Toteme offers better value for money in a similar aesthetic and aren't that far apart price wise.

Have you ever tried Mango Violeta they have a lot of crossover in sizes, think it starts at a 12 and don't have the usual stringent Spanish fit notorious as Zara and Mango do.

Went to try the Won Hundred trousers in the size smaller that was special ordered for me this evening but they weren't an ideal fit, unfortunately. On top of that Unger emailed me there were stock issues and only one blouse of my entire Jacquemus order is in stock Sad I'm trying to get them to send along another piece to replace the other blouse but they've yet to reply.

You're welcome Messy, if you plough through previous threads there's been loads of other shops mentioned as well.

As promised, attached my Italian chat inspired outfit today with my beloved ancient Max Mara skirt whose swish always cheers me up when I wear it. Old Zara silk blouse that I've altered somewhat to get a better fit and Ferragamo shoes. I did cheat though as I'd taken along some flats to change into as the Ferragamo shoes did feel a touch dressy for some errands and the supermarket Blush Did attempt to channel Gah's aunts at the beach by stacking on the necklaces Grin

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SophieLion · 02/07/2018 20:15

ToElleWithIt I agree - those grey trousers are gorgeous!

Great outfit Bo. I like the (altered) top.

quirkychick · 02/07/2018 20:54

Lovely outfit, bo, you've reminded me I have a black, silk chiffon skirt that I haven't worn in years I shall have to find an occasion to wear it Grin. I can't do rich browns or caramels, either too warm and make me look ghastly. I like dirty brown or even dusty brown.

banivani hopefully someone who can help will be along.

banivani · 02/07/2018 22:19

Don’t worry, not fishing Smile just a moment of annoyance/anger that I’m not catered for Grin And I have to say I’ve always found it difficult to find clothes which def added to my belief when younger that I was terribly fat 😕 A broad back and big arse. Swedish designers cut for slender straight figured types. Like I said, ant find jeans for love or money at the moment!

Lovely outfit Bo. I’m wearing black tonight as well - an old black wrap dress that is - literally - coming apart at the seams. I’d love to find a replacement for it but it’s proving hard. Came across this newish Swedish brand the other day - www.residus.se. Their thing is using up fabrics somehow or recycled fabrics - can’t remember and website is down. They’re sold at Sweden’s biggest (bar H&M) mail order company as well so here’s a link to what’s offered on that site in the meantime www.ellos.se/brand/residus

They’re quite expensive and I’m NOT convinced they’re worth it - and again, no fun paying money just to try stuff on! But they do have wrap dresses ... maybe not so chic but I happen to like them Grin

quirkychick · 03/07/2018 06:42

banivani I think wrap dresses can look very chic, especially if they suit you! I've heard of Ellos, they certainly used to (maybe still do) sell through La Redoute. I have quite wide shoulders, so can sympathise with that, I don't have trouble finding things that fit, but some styles are not very flattering! I think maybe I like scandi stuff because (wider shoulders aside) I am quite tall and straight up and down.

peonylover22 · 03/07/2018 06:58

Gosh you’ve all been busy whilst I’ve been away! Love the sound of Bo’s warm weather wardrobe and the pic of the black skirt and top. Also like Elle’s mini market dress. I’m struggling with the heat in London, especially on the tube Sad
My bespoke bag has arrived! I am pretty pleased with it. The finish isn’t quite as good as on a designer bag (but I didn’t pay a designer bag price for it), but the size and shape are absolutely perfect. I think I’ll get a lot of use out of it.
I am now officially on a shopping ban after the excesses of last month and have also had to shell out to replace a pair of prescription sunglasses that were pinched during my holiday Angry July /August is a great time to be on a shopping ban though, as I always think it’s such a fallow period in the shops with just sales dregs hanging around until the lovely A/W stock starts appearing in September.

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Accountant222 · 03/07/2018 07:14

Place marking

Floisme · 03/07/2018 07:40

Sorry to hear that bani Flowers I hope you stick around.

banivani · 03/07/2018 09:09

Oh I’m absolutely sticking around. Just annoyed! Too lazy to lose weight in any organised fashion Grin. Very frustrated over fashion situation in Sweden as you can tell haha.

Serious fashion question now. I am
not really terribly busty but have a broad back which has the same effect. If I wasn’t a little overweight I’d consider not wearing a bra to
make clothes fit better for example Wink but now I want the bra to lift my mammaries off my belly so I look a little better 🙄. Anyway, I’ve preferred v-necks always to break up the front a bit, aka classic “dressing for busty ladies”. To the point where I have a permanent tanned V on my skin haha. I think I need to vary my dressing. What sort of necklines do other busty ladies wear and avoid looking matronly or like a giant board of fabric? Scoop necks are often too deep or hard to find. Crew necks I don’t like but they are ubiquitous. Boat necks often show bra straps. Turtle necks STRANGLE my THROAT as my daughter used to say.

botemp · 03/07/2018 09:14

Well I hope it's just the manufacturer's not catering to you, Bani, I'd hate the idea that my posts are making you feel down.

I'd suggest having a look at a Dutch designer, yes, online only, but she used to have shops in the major cities and she was hugely popular with a certain group of women who'd come from very far to shop there. Her prices haven't really changed much but back then that was really pricey, also since it involved lots of layering but it's pretty affordable now. They ship to Sweden, just not very affordable at €20. But those shops were always filled with women with difficult proportions like yours, and since most is made in jersey with an interesting drape it's quite similar to COS in that the non-traditional approach means it suits more than one defined silhouette and fits differently but no worse from one person to the next. I've attached some pics from the site, she's definitely of the wacky pants and sizing is generous. The wrap dress is actually a bit out of character for her, the wrap jumpsuit is a bit more representative. There's a good sale on currently as well and it's actually a lot more colourful than the all black I've attached here.

Cora Kemperman

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This thread is about as French as a Sainsbury's baguette
This thread is about as French as a Sainsbury's baguette
OCSock · 03/07/2018 09:15

Sympathising with you Bani! The classic V neck suntan is something I have too, but I can only suggest lavish use of SPF50 on the decolletage, and sticking to the low frontage while keeping the over-shoulder-boulder-holders firmly on. Sewing little straps with snaps under the shoulders of your tops helps but I can rarely be bothered.

quirkychick · 03/07/2018 16:05

bo love those pictures, I'm all for the interesting tailoring Grin.

bani necklines that I've found are good for wider shoulders are v-neck, obviously, scoop, anything assymmetric or drapey, also I've recently bought a couple of dresses with knot/twist fronts that break up the horizontal line iyswim. Not sure if that's any good for you?

botemp · 04/07/2018 09:18

Sorry, x-posted with you there yesterday, Bani. I'd try variations on the v neck, so asymmetric, sweetheart, cowl neck, drapey wrap styles, etc. You can also try layering with a v neck vest as a base but it might feel too busy, I'd stick to similar tones rather than contrasting ones.

Quirky, I have a really beautiful white sculptural skirt of hers from ages ago. It's a sort of a layered pleated thing in knitted linen, which probably conjures up nothing that resembles it in reality Confused It was already a bit roomy when I bought it but I should really dig it out and see if it can be worn differently, maybe as a dress. I actually wore them with the previously unearthed Calvin Klein sandals as they're both very architectural.

Speaking of digging through my old closet, my outfit yesterday was all from there, if anyone is on a weight loss journey and trying to hold back buying anything to be practical until your goal is reached but would really like something nice as well as you're so sick of all the practical cheapie buys to tide you over, I say get thee something silk. All my silk pieces (bar anything fitted) still has great use in my current wardrobe. The extra fabric works for you instead of against you when it's silk. Think the trousers are from Sass & Bide, not sure if they still exist, and top is from Cos. Was rather luxuriously comfy which came in handy as I was stuck in the hospital all day for annual tests.

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quirkychick · 04/07/2018 10:30

Lovely trousers,bo, yes that is true about silk, the black silk chiffon skirt I mentioned earlier is bias cut but with a drawstring waist. I bought it too big size 14, to start with (it was a sale bargain but adjustable). I actually wore it to a wedding with a maternity cami when I was very pregnant 13yrs ago breaking mn wedding rules in black. I must dig it out, it would probably be suitably swishy now. It must be 20+yrs old.

I discovered this morning that my gladiator sandals are too flat to wear with my linen trousers, I run the risk of tripping over on the way to school, so have changed back to birkies. I do think the gladiators look good with shorter skirts/dresses or trousers, though.

banivani · 04/07/2018 22:18

Bo, thank you for the Kemperman tip - it might be a little too art teachery for me Wink but I saw some potential hits there! Not very expensive either but I agree shipping is high. Website not great for me browsing on phone though will have a look on computer when possible.

Thank you ladies for neckline tips - seems like I am on right ideas since those are my faves (can’t find many of them though 🙄). In a wonderful
plot twist I got sunburnt in last day of holiday and now have a deep, lopsided, halter neck bikini shaped burn which might end up balancing out the tanned V?

quirkychick · 05/07/2018 07:03

Halterneck are good too maybe not with sunburn. I found I can wear vest tops, providing the shoulder straps are wide, but I'm pale and don't tan very easily, so don't worry about tan lines too much.

I hope your tests at the hospital went OK, bo. At least you were cool in silk. I'm going to have to go for chic but practical today, as dd2 was sent home from school yesterday, so at home with sick child and probably dr visit this morning.

botemp · 06/07/2018 09:03

Thanks, quirky, it's mostly tedious and sitting around wasting time in between but it's easier scheduling it all over a few days and then just being done with it. Saw my specialist yesterday and all looked fine and they will follow up if anything else comes up later. Just had an additional blood draw this morning so I'm officially done now Smile Hope your dd2 is feeling better.

I've just realised it's going to be really hot in Antwerp in the weekend, it's so odd as it's not that far away but it's downright tropical there now. Hope it's manageable and am left wondering whether Toteme trousers are either a really good idea in that type of weather or a really bad one. White reflects heat, right? delusional

Saw some interesting looks from the Paris Couture weeks (from the attendants). Have attached a few familiar faces.

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botemp · 06/07/2018 09:08

And some more. First pic is a bit disturbing to me as the shoes are similar to my unearthed Calvin Kleins, I have a similar blazer in the H&M one and I've been on the lookout for a good pair of white trousers. Though as much as I love the excessively long belt, I'd probably manage to trip over it Blush

Really quite like that stripey dress On Camille Cotin (from Call My Agent) and am left wondering where it's from. Looks ideal for this hotter weather.

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This thread is about as French as a Sainsbury's baguette
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quirkychick · 06/07/2018 09:38

Lovely pics bo, that stripey dress is lovely and looks perfect for the heat, I agree. Thanks, my dd2 is much better, but still at home, chest infection, apparently it's been a bad year for it with the high pollen. Hospitals are always 90% waiting around, glad all looks good. Wouldn't the toteme trousers be very cool in the heat?

I'm trying not to look at much more spring/summer clothes, as the heatwave means I've filled quite a few hot weather gaps in my wardrobe: summer dresses, sandals, t-shirts etc. some of which I meant to do last year, but the warm weather was so short-lived, I lost the enthusiasm for it!

botemp · 06/07/2018 09:52

Same here quirky, the continual good weather has been deluding me into thinking I need a large summer wardrobe when normally it just isn't the case. I've taken on hand washing all silk items immediately after wearing and doing laundry in smaller loads more frequently to always have plenty to choose from.

Yes, Toteme trousers can be potentially nice and cool if there's a bit of a breeze and it would shield my skin from direct sunlight but if it's hot and humid it may very well be sweltering crotch central Blush

Floisme · 06/07/2018 10:18

Aren't the Totemes silk? I really like silk in hot weather - keeps me cooler than cotton, although admittedly I've not tried silk trousers. Speaking of which, I will whisper this but is anyone else getting bored of summer clothes? Ok just me then Blush I'll move on.

I've worn my charity shop Loewe chinos a couple of times and what's striking about them isn't so much how they look when I first put them on (very nice but hardly 'wow!') but how they look at the end of the day: no creasing, no drooping at the arse, no sagging at the knees.

I think this is something that really sets the true quality brands apart from the rest. I would say Margaret Howell does it and possibly Joseph (although that's only based on one blazer). I don't own enough expensive clothes to do a more thorough survey but I'm happy to put myself through it if anyone out there wants to hire me. Smile