Help. Is there a secret to putting on eye liner?

[Spidermama]

Everywhere I look there are women with beautifully applied eye liner.

I try. How do they make the liner join onto their eye? I have the liquid stuff with a brush, but do people put eye liner on the 'shelf' bit which is horizontal underneath the top lashes? Because I don;'t and I always have a gap. A stripe of pink underneath my liner.

Any tips would be appreciated.

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Southeast.... how old are you???

It is odd I grant you.
I will probably never do it but I never say never.

i'm 37 but i will not mess with my face.

southeastastra I agree with you BUT don't you ever stand in front of the mirror and pull up your sagging skin to see what it would look like if only it were pert again?

I find myself increasingly tempted to have work done, but I don;t think I ever would when it came to the crunch.

I worry that it's a short term solution. Half of those Hollywood types look like total freaks as they age and they're supposed to be employing the best plastic surgeons around.

I don't like the idea of botox because it only lasts a few weeks so what's the point?

And yet ...

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it also relaxes the muscles so existing lines are lessened disapear.

Well, while (I'm assuming) none of us have £150 spare plus airfare to Scotland, I'll just remind everyone to get some decent suncream. Tis almost the season, we should be slapping it on every morning to prevent aging.
Also buy lots of sunglasses, that's why the slebs wear them, to stop them wrinkling their eyes in the sunshine.