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How to become a competently made-up person in your 40s?

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grimupnorthLondon · 22/09/2016 16:14

Am cautiously peeking my head in here to ask for help from you lovely people who understand make up. I was a bare-faced 20 something and just about mastered moisturiser and concealer in my 30s. As I enter my 40s this is clearly no longer going to work without people running away screaming, so I have been studiously watching make-up tutorials, buying brushes and practising eyeshadow, brows and foundation.

I can now just about do those basics but am terrified that I look like mutton trying to paint itself as lamb - whatever eye shadow I buy turns out to be inappropriately sparkly, even when I think it is matte in the shop, I am terrified about having 'orange lines' so overblend foundation until it basically disappears, and mascara tends to end up half way down my cheeks within half an hour. Blusher and lip liner are too terrifying to even contemplate. I work in the City and am 'the boss' so am wary of people sniggering as I inadvertently turn myself into an Aunt Sally.

The tutorials are good for techniques but there are so many out there and the product recommendations are so baffling that I just want a grown up to tell me how to develop a 10-15 minute routine to make myself look like an understated but put-together 41 year old.

Is there a magic place I can go where a fairy godmother will lead me around, tell me which skincare and make-up products to buy and show me how to apply them? Can any individual stand in a beauty hall/Space NK do that or will they just try to flog me their most expensive stuff? I am prepared to invest a reasonable amount (currently experimenting with MAC, Benefit, Nars, Clarins type ranges but might splash out for a miracle de-aging brand) and, if it's relevant, I have very pale, Irish skin, dark hair and the roundest/most hamster-cheeked face imaginable.

Thank you in advance from an incompetent human being

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madmomma · 22/09/2016 23:49

Aw thanks for that W8 they're fab tips Flowers. Totally agree about the red lipstick. I love bright lips in general, they bring such freshness to a face. Yeah I have very round eyes and have always wanted to do flicky eyeliner to make them more catlike, but I think they're just too round for it to work. I am definitely going to bend my mascara brush tomorrow!

lifeistooshort · 23/09/2016 10:19

no advice but I am in a similar situation to you OP so thank you for starting this thread. Will follow with interet

grimupnorthLondon · 23/09/2016 10:27

ooo interesting - how should we use Touche Eclat W8 Woman???

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Notsoaccidentproneanymore · 23/09/2016 10:40

Why don't you start by having your lashes dyed and your eyebrows threaded (and tinted in needed)? Then see how to looks?

Kikibanana86 · 23/09/2016 12:28

Have you got a beauty blender for your foundation ? They give a nice finish and are easy to use.

Ifyoubuildit · 23/09/2016 12:43

Love this thread, have just turned 40 and feel so haggered! I need help...

grimupnorthLondon · 23/09/2016 13:15

I don't even know what beauty blender is Kiwi? I am envisioning a food processor but I'm guessing that's not it...

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VanellopeVonSchweetz99 · 23/09/2016 13:25

Acids for night time
something with SPF for the daytime
don't forget the neck/clevage!

I agree foundations & powder can look rough on mature skin.
I also avoid eyeshadows altogether as I have hooded eyelids.

My biggest make-up must-haves are
a high quality concealer for the inner corner of the eye and around the wings of the nose + chin blemishes,
eyeliner pen (maybelline master precise is my fave),
eyebrow kit,
mascara,
lip balm &
a peachy cream blusher (no sparkles!).

grimupnorthLondon · 23/09/2016 13:29

oo thanks Vanellope - have seen them in the TK Maxx opposite my office so that's an easy fix

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VanellopeVonSchweetz99 · 23/09/2016 13:29

P.S: I feel that really high quality, expensive specialist brushes & application sponges, often to go with mineral makeup, is the thing that's really changed in the makeup world in the past couple of years.
Sometimes bordering on the cult-ish...

grimupnorthLondon · 23/09/2016 13:30

ps. for neck and cleavage would you use the same products as face/body or something specific? I am conscious of this 'issue' and was looking at Decollete products in the beauty halls but wasn't sure whether that was just a marketing ploy to make you buy another product.

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VanellopeVonSchweetz99 · 23/09/2016 13:36

OK so I swore by Touche Eclat for years but went off it when I met a makeup artist who pointed out how overrated and 'grey' it is (not to mention overpriced).

I really like Maybelline Age Rewind concealers, they are just as good as Urban Decay or Bare Minerals but for something like half the price.

VanellopeVonSchweetz99 · 23/09/2016 13:43

OP I use the same. Night time this, most nights:
Glycolic Acid 10% Moisturizer by Peter Thomas Roth
I never had better skin. (Mine is really sensitive & pale combination skin, prone to outbreaks and blackheads.)

Daytime it's really important to use something with sunblock (SPF) since acids make the skin v sensitive to UV rays. I like the Body Shop's range of Vitamin C moisturising products with SPF, and sometimes their compact foundation with SPF (but it can look a bit 'dusty').

grimupnorthLondon · 23/09/2016 14:01

Thanks again Vanellope. Googled the Peter Thomas Roth stuff and it gets great reviews. I'm actually in the US for work next week, do you think there it might be cheaper (even at current exchange rates) to make a 'shopping list and do a sephora run while I'm there - or might Duty Free be even better because of special offers/samples?

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Nabootique · 23/09/2016 14:14

Yes yes to Peter Thomas Roth. All products I've used have been fantastic. They stock it in Ulta in the US! (Totally unrelated but "he", I'm sure he has people to do it for him but that's not the point, liked one of my Instagram photos the other day and I went all fan girl ). I've not used the moisturiser Van mentions, but the Unwrinkle Peel Pads are fab, as are the masks.

Kikibanana86 · 23/09/2016 14:15

I'm training to be a beauty therapist and love make up and have all the different brushes etc but I don't think anything applies foundation as good as a beauty blender. It doesn't have to be the original one they sell them in Superdrug and boots and they are exactly the same. I have the real techniques one. Also you don't need touché eclat, any light concealer applied under your eyes, down to the corners of your nose and up again towards your temples, then blended with a beauty blender will do the trick.

Kikibanana86 · 23/09/2016 14:19

And translucent setting powder is better than an actual powder, it won't sit in any lines it just sets your make up. I'm not big on blusher and just use bronzer on the outside of my face ( top of forehead, cheekbones and jawline).

What are your eyebrows like? They make such a big difference.

grimupnorthLondon · 23/09/2016 14:25

You guys are amazing! I have just located an Ulta three blocks from our offices so will make a pilgrimage.

My eyebrows are a perpetual disappointment Kiki - I used to try and pluck them into an arch but as they are not very high (my eyes are getting hooded with age) they just got too thin and looked weird. So now I let them grow bushy/au naturel and just pluck any obvious standouts, comb them and fill in any obvious gaps with a pencil. Not very skilfully....

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turtlesallthewaydown · 23/09/2016 14:35

grim are you me?! Thank you for starting this thread. I am just dropping in to place mark for leisurely reading later.

VanellopeVonSchweetz99 · 23/09/2016 14:38

grim Have a great time! Try to bring a list, yes! Or you will come out of Ultra & Sephora v poor ... I tend to get blinded in there by all the fabulousness.
I don't think I've ever seen PTR in duty free.

grimupnorthLondon · 23/09/2016 14:55

oo while making my shopping list, is there a particular concealer (since it appears the jury is out on Touche Eclat) that you would recommend?

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crazydaisies · 23/09/2016 15:02

I've been using Touche Eclat for years so I'm curious for other suggestions too.
Do tell us, girls!

VanellopeVonSchweetz99 · 23/09/2016 16:09

I really like Maybelline Age Rewind concealers, they are just as good as Urban Decay or Bare Minerals but for something like half the price.
I have two, the 'Neutralizer' goes on my skin first, and then a bit of the 'light' one on top.
Doesn't set into creases, almost impossible to overdose. There is one especially for spots & blemishes as well but I'm sure the above would do just fine.

VanellopeVonSchweetz99 · 23/09/2016 16:11

P.S: Here is a blog post with pics of swatches, sorry it's in Swedish (not written by me but I really like this beauty blogger).
www.daisybeauty.com/maybelline-age-rewind-concealers/