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Help needed facing trophy wives

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TowerBlock · 17/09/2015 17:47

Help please, Looking for smart dress and a jacket not in polyester and isn't frumpy.

Tummy not strong point, need to lose a stone and am working on that. Getting really nervous as boyfriend just taken on new mega job. I know my casual wardrobe is not up to handling upcoming really smart events day and evening with trophy wives.

In my late 30's and getting g really stuck as I hate shopping. Asos seems to be all polyester as is Next.

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magnificatAnimaMea · 17/09/2015 21:16

TowerBlock if you're certain it will be you against trophy wives (it might be, it might not be, very hard to tell) probably go for understated & expensive. LK Bennett dress & jacket in charcoal or navy, matching shoes & bag (not charcoal/navy), with nice understated but good-quality jewellery? Hair cut neatly, possibly styled, but not coloured.
Check eBay for secondhand stuff too - there is a lot to be had cheaply that has been worn once to a wedding and then sat in a cupboard for years.
Someone will probably be along instantly to tell me I'm a tasteless idiot and/or that you shouldn't be thinking about others when you dress up (probably right on both counts, but I'm going with your stated wish and on what trophy wives might wear in the circles I mix in, which are possibly not the right circles).

OneofTHOSEWomen - if you met me you couldn't mistake me for anything other than a slightly strident third-wave feminist. Unfortunately if you met my sister and mother, and their friends, you really couldn't mistake them for anything other than trophy wives. They're about as anti-feminist as it's possible to be. These are people whose entire self-worth seems to be tied up in their ability to be complimented by men because they're thin, beautifully dressed, unopinionated and socially gracious in an eyewateringly 1950s kind of way. They are incredibly insecure and needy because having your self-worth tied up in compliments and diamonds from your husband kind of works when it's the 1950s and your husband only works with men, but it's much harder these days when 50% of your husband's workplace is full of women who have more to think about than being a trophy wife.

RonaldMcDonald · 17/09/2015 21:16

Depends on the cash you have to spend and the events

I understand that it can be scary to face a new set of people especially if their background and income/wardrobe is substantially different to your own.

You can always wear Whistles to most things ime
Joseph for nice trousers
Cos and Zara are decent for other bits
I like Jigsaw - Jaegar
I still plunder All Saints

I'm not a flashy type and being in the company of others who are won't make me one

HermioneWeasley · 17/09/2015 21:17

Do as my wife did when I invited her to a perfectly nice dinner with my colleagues and their (perfectly normal) partners. Snarl "I'm not some fucking trophy wife" and stalk out of the room. Problem solved!

PS: I might have brought this on myself as DW is very beautiful and I often tell her I only married her because she is hot.

IsabelleEberhardt · 17/09/2015 21:19

Haha Hermione!

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 17/09/2015 21:19

Nice explanation magnificat, im sure your relatives would be thrilled by your description of them. Would love to see theirs, of you.

Ubik1 · 17/09/2015 21:22

Otherwise you could just throw on an old frock and then get outrageously pissed.

(This is why I am not a trophy wife)

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 17/09/2015 21:22

Hermione if you're hot, you're hot. Trophy wives are of an insignificance, and unimportant.

BuggersMuddle · 17/09/2015 21:25

Oh it's a thing okay (albeit the 'trophy wife' phrase is a bit Hmm). I have certainly rocked up to events where the wives are 10+ years younger, very attractive but usually less qualified / lower salary. That doesn't mean they're not happy, genuine couples, btw. They're just often also very shiny and groomed Grin

Moving on, it's easier to advise with more detail, but I would second Hobbs for the sort of things that's suitable for a daytime event. I stay well away from their polyester washable stuff though - think it's cheap looking (and it's not all that cheap).

Reiss could work, although I think a lot of their stuff is cut for people who are quite tall.

To be honest though, a lot of it is polish / grooming. Clothes that fit, well cut, shiny hair, nicely manicured nails and subtle accessories can go a long way and lift a cheaper outfit.

muchasmoochas · 17/09/2015 21:31

I'd be a bit worried that a jacket and dress is a bit worky/90's wedding. Yes to Whistles etc

Kennington · 17/09/2015 21:40

Unless it is really formal I would stuff the bad day at the races look-dress code and opt for skinny trousers and a YSL style blazer plus tousled hair and spike heals. Mainly black with some jewellery, that way you aren't competing at all. You are just making them look like they spent a lot of time getting ready while you were thinking important thoughts and/or having sex Smile

Ubik1 · 17/09/2015 21:55

Oh yes - what Kennington said. I have always wanted to be that person.

TowerBlock · 17/09/2015 22:07

NilbyName, Its a cocktail party and I can't get out of it and a gala dinner.

I know I'll have to spend more. I'm 5"5 sort of apple shaped. Red suits me as does black blinged up.

Have to go, he needs the support.

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TowerBlock · 17/09/2015 22:14

RonaldMcDonald Thanks for all the pointers.
Kennington Way to go. You have a point. Would be great to do that for the cocktail party. Have to find an amazing jacket on ebay.

Thanks for the pointers re shiny hair and nails. They aren't my relatives. I guess trophy wives, can't think of another way of describing them have all the budgets. Throw me an unlimited budget and I can look fab. Doing it on a budget is an art.

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TowerBlock · 17/09/2015 22:15

Ha ha BabyBarrister...!

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BoogleMcGroogle · 17/09/2015 22:19

The first one of these events I went to ( partner's conference dinner, big city law firm) I spent ages worrying. I thought it was going to be just how you described. Wore a silk navy Hobbs dress, bought in the sale and red heels. Would have felt wrong in an evening dress, it's not my style really. There were as many 'trophy' husbands as wives ( and several same sex couples too). It's a very international firm so evening dress was interpreted as floor length dress and tiara to trouser suit to sari to backless McQueen ( less wise perhaps). After a couple of drinks I didn't notice what anyone was wearing really and met some really interesting people. I ended up talking about my PhD research with the managing partner. In short, wear what you like, drop the worry about being or not being a trophy wife and have fun! Unless it's a sector even more 'conservative' than the law (Lloyds insurance or Sotherbys perhaps?) I think you'll be fine.

Keeptrudging · 17/09/2015 22:31

EBay is great for fancy-schmancy dresses that have been worn once. I've had some great ballgowns and cocktail dresses from there, which I have also worn once Grin.

TowerBlock · 17/09/2015 22:35

Oops, I really messed up using that term. Its something to do with being around male dominated environment. The wives spend a fortune on appearance and the men like showing off their wives. Anyway I'm not saying they bad, just in a position to be that. I'm not, I'm working on a tight budget having helped everyone out in my family and given away my money.

Believe the men here, do show off their wives. Daytime event is lunch at Nobu's. I think I will do the jeans and jacket thing. Will look for a lovely jacket.

Don't mean to judge but hard on a budget of £100 to find anything. Looked in charity shop in Putney today but that was not helpful.

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TowerBlock · 17/09/2015 22:36

BoogleMcGroogle Thanks so much for this. Yes, they are more conservative!

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TowerBlock · 17/09/2015 22:50

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stunning-Whistles-Black-Lace-Pencil-Wiggle-Evening-Occasion-Day-Dress-Size-14-/321867694158?hash=item4af0cf404e

Looks like a possibility for cocktails.

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TowerBlock · 17/09/2015 23:16

Jeans won't do for lunch, will substitute black trousers, white shirt and jacket if I don't come across a great dress. Have a month to go.

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amarmai · 18/09/2015 02:45

Does Karen Millen still do lovely trophy wife clothes? And i've alawys liked Jaeger.

magnificatAnimaMea · 18/09/2015 06:51

OK - I'm sorry, to anyone I offended with my comment upthread.

This isn't intended as a thread hijack, it's intended as a bit of an explanation or food for thought.

Firstly, one should definitely separate "beautifully dressed, groomed, socially polished individual married to husband; at husband's workplace do" from "beautifully dressed, groomed, socially polished trophy being shown off by husband in order for him to gain ascendancy in the workplace". Both are intimidating socially. The first category has the advantage of being potentially supportive and pleasant. The second category might be less supportive or pleasant, for reasons discussed below.

Secondly, having separated out dress and social manner from motivation: is it actually wrong to say that some women do seem to "like" being sort of "trophies" for their boyfriends or husbands to show off?

When I say "like" I mean they derive self-worth from the compliments that come from their husbands and husbands' colleagues, when they conform to particular modes of behaviour. The self-worth is determined by other people's opinions and observations - this has the consequence that other people have freedom of choice to decide what's worthwhile and good, but these women don't ever get to choose (until they stop being trophies). This tends to make them extremely unsupportive of anyone who is potential competition.

Getting one's self-worth from men's compliments about [beauty, career, whatever] is very different from deriving self-worth from doing exactly the same [beauty, career, whatever] with a different motivation - e.g. finding it interesting, deriving personal identity from doing it well. The latter path means one can continue to operate autonomously even if some other people are better at [beauty, career, whatever].

I think this probably has something to do with traditional feminine socialization where women have been brought up to seek approval for conforming to what authority figures want from them, rather than thinking that what they do has intrinsic value that they are capable of judging without the need for others' observations.

Beyond the approval-seeking aspect of being a trophy, the actual behaviours that are praised can vary very widely. Some people seek approval for very traditional social behaviour - e.g. the usual 'trophy wife' description; others seek approval for having careers that their husbands approve of.

Thinking back 20-30 years in my life, what constituted a trophy was very different at different ages and in different contexts.

Aged about 15, I saw girls deriving self-worth from being game to provide whatever sexual services boys felt like demanding. The same girls, at school, might also be playing up to the high academic expectations of teachers and parents, desperately seeking the "well done, darling, your teacher must be so proud of you" pat on the head rather than thinking "this subject is so cool and interesting, I want to know more".

Aged about 19, the trophy girlfriends were the ones who could drink the boys' mates under the table; be louder, ruder and more obnoxious when drunk than the boys; and still scrub up in a way the boys approved of (fnarr, fnarr, hourglass hand waving) at a formal dinner [ HmmBlush I think I went to a rather unsophisticated and sexist university]. Many of the girls I knew who did it saw all this as worthwhile because it meant boys approved of them. By that age many of them were old enough to see that the behaviours were not necessarily intrinsically worthwhile, but they did them anyway because of the approval from the boys.

A small proportion of those girls have gone on to become traditional trophy wives who dress nicely, are socially gracious, are unopinionated; who find the worth in what they're doing when they're complimented on their dress and social skills; and who worry endlessly about whether their husbands are going to find someone else who is younger, more beautiful, and more interesting. They tear other women to shreds for being ugly, ungracious, too opinionated and outspoken, not making an effort to be likeable, etc. Their model of self-worth is one where only the husband gets to decide that anything has intrinsic value, and the criteria of worth are ones where it's almost impossible to stay ahead of the game.

A slightly larger proportion of the girls i knew at 15/19 have gone on to become wives who needily seek approval from husbands/male colleagues in a similar way about their career achievements; and who worry that their husband might run away with someone else who is better at her career. They're (some of) the women who shit only on other women and suck up only to men in the workplace.

Thankfully, by far the greatest proportion of girls I knew at 15/19 have gone on to run their own lives and not be someone else's trophy. Many of them are happily married. Some of them quite enjoy being in a fairly traditional 1950s role of stay-at-home mother. Some of them like to dress beautifully because it gives them pleasure personally. Some of them like having a career at which they can do well. The difference from the trophy wives is that they themselves get to determine whether what they're doing is worthwhile or not - not their husbands.

I was an academic's trophy academic daughter, with occasional appearances as a traditional trophy wife's trophy beautiful daughter. I was a trophy girlfriend in terms of appearance and career in my early 20s. Then I moved somewhere full of people who'd been told all their lives that they were exceptional and brilliant and beautiful. Many of them were much more exceptional and brilliant and beautiful than I was, and I was no longer even faintly desirable on any level - because other people were just getting on with their own brilliant lives rather than being available to shore up my self-confidence by constantly providing reassurance and compliments. I went to all sorts of lengths to try to regain my trophy status, for a few years, looking more and more like a desperate teenager. Eventually I hit rock-bottom despair and realised I needed to build my own life rather than one as a trophy. It's in progress.

My mother and sister have been in the fortunate or unfortunate position, all their lives, of being traditional 1950s trophy wives, with no reason to ever question their trophy-ness. They've never had to build their lives as themselves rather than as objects of their husbands' desire. It also means that they've never been released from the mental tyranny of constantly looking over their shoulders in case there's a younger, more beautiful, more socially gracious girl coming up behind them to steal their husbands' attention. They're unreasonably censorious about other women's appearances, housekeeping and social skills; in particular, mine. I still care about the fact they're like that, because it's difficult to get away from caring about one's family - but I can see how much more fun my life is than theirs.

That's what was running through my mind when I made the comment above.

OK, back to discussing how to deal with the dress requirements of an occasion where the men work and the wives have time and money to be very groomed and polished, whatever their motivations.

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