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30 SPF moisturiser

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musicmum75 · 29/06/2015 08:20

Can anyone recommend a moisturiser that contains a 30 SPF. Mine has just run out and I'd like to try a new one. Ideally nothing too rich as I find they block my pores.

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notthestereotype · 02/07/2015 14:58

Belinda, I can't understand why that is so much cheaper than the other pp range, when actually, it appears to do more! Damn! I already bought more of the Olay regenerist, but may treat myself to this too now Wink

notthestereotype · 02/07/2015 15:01

good, I actually wasn't sure about that. As well as using factor 30 moisturiser, my foundation also contains factor 15....so does that mean I'm wearing SPF 45?

BelindaAllWorkedOut · 02/07/2015 18:11

not - I'm not sure about the pricing, either. Maybe they put more £££ anti aging ingredients into the other products?

Re advised layering of products, I put serum on, then sunscreen. Waited 30 mins and put on BB cream. So, I just swapped out my moisturiser for the sunscreen. I don't know about layering to increase sun protection, though.

thomashardon · 02/07/2015 18:24

You cannot increase sun protection by layering on different products. How could it? You are layering different products on top of each other, that all contain different amounts of (alleged) sun protection...it's not possible. Just use a dedicated sun cream product.

thomashardon · 02/07/2015 18:32

Taken from an article about sunscreen myths from this website.

Myth 8: layering sunscreen with make-up or moisturisers that contains sunscreen will increase your sun protection

Your sun protection only ever equals the SPF of the product with the highest rating. For example, using a SPF 12 foundation over the top of an SPF 30 sunscreen, for example, only provides a SPF of 30 (not a SPF of 42).

Jjcrackers · 02/07/2015 19:13

Argh. I feel effing cheated.

I have been using Clinique City Block 40 over the summer (and last). I even asked for advice on here as to whether it was enough.

Now, I never sunbathe but am out and about quite a bit (pacing the pavements in London to notch up steps on my fitbit.)

Does this mean I have been under protecting?

flumperoo · 02/07/2015 19:32

I've been convinced to try ultrasun thanks to a thread on here about sun creams. It's an all day sun cream rather than a face cream. They do sell a face version which is anti-ageing, but I'm really interested in whether an 'anti-ageing face' sun cream' is actually any different and worth spending more money on.

Sun cream thread here.

thomashardon · 02/07/2015 19:34

Jjcrackers The information available for City Block is incredibly confusing. It is listed in numerous places as sun protection, but also in other places as a moisturiser with SPF, or even an invisible primer.

The Clinique website claims that it provides broad spectrum coverage, but I find it strange that they do not display the star rating for this product. I have even asked at the Clinique counter in the past, and the rep couldn't give me information about the star rating.

It's totally unclear, and I find that a bit worrying.

Jjcrackers · 02/07/2015 21:30

It is so wrong isn't it? I am really worried that I might have done myself some damage out of ignorance

thomashardon · 02/07/2015 21:56

Jjcrackers Definitely. It is so misleading, and really shouldn't be allowed. A new symbol has also been introduced that is supposed to replace the star rating, it is 'UVA' in a circle, but I have only noticed it on a handful of products.

I wish companies were more upfront, and clearer in their labeling. Also, I wish there was a huge campaign in the UK like the Australian 'slip slop slap'. There are a lot of misconceptions and misunderstandings about sun exposure, and how to protect yourself.

If you have noticed any changes in your skin, it may put your mind at ease to get checked out.

specialsubject · 02/07/2015 22:18

the campaign needs to be: (with what I would like to say in brackets)

  • temperature is irrelevant to UV strength ('the sun doesn't move closer on a hot day, stupid!')
  • moisturiser is for making skin feel more comfortable. Sunscreen is for protection against the rays. ('silly farty beauty creams do nothing, stupid!')
  • price and quality are not related ('you are paying for packaging, advertising and the sleb to pout at you, stupid')
  • you do need sunscreen in the UK April to October, and also when you are near reflective surfaces. ('surprised you got burnt on a snowy day, stupid? Think about it!'

end of rant. Sorry, but there seems to have been so much hair-flicking going on in school science lessons and it really annoys me.

Bunbaker · 02/07/2015 22:22

I posted this on another thread, but you might find this useful thomashardon

I have just checked the Best Buy and Avoid sunscreens on Which.

Best Buys:

Garnier Ambre Solaire Moisturising Protection Spray SPF30
Morrisons M Sun Care Protect & Nourish Sun Spray SPF30
Nivea Sun Protect and Refresh Invisible Cooling Spray SPF30
Sainsbury’s Sun Protect Clear Spray SPF30
Tesco Soleil Suncare Lotion SPF30

The Avoid ones are:

Hawaiian Tropic Silk Hydration Lotion SPF30
Boots Soltan Protect & Moisturise Lotion SPF30

thomashardon · 02/07/2015 22:34

A very good list specialsubject, and I'd like to add something that I think should be displayed in 50ft letters -

" Yes, you absolutely do need to wear sunscreen...yes, even in the UK. "

Oh, and also " the beauty industry really does lie to you "!

I'd quite like sunscreen/cream/lotions/etc to be re-labeled as skin protection cream...they are not just for use when it is sunny.

That list is very interesting Bunbaker, thank you. Especially for the fact that all the best buys appear to be broad spectrum products, and not moisturisers that contain SPF.

Jjcrackers · 03/07/2015 08:31

But, going back to the OP's question; would you put any of the Which Best buys on your face for daily wear?

villainousbroodmare · 03/07/2015 08:46

I haven't used this Eurcerin stuff, but saw it recommended today. It seems to offer a great level of protection, is inexpensive, widely available and is matt: int.eucerin.com/products/sun-protection/sun-creme-tinted-spf50plus

villainousbroodmare · 03/07/2015 08:46

Eucerin

Bunbaker · 03/07/2015 09:47

"would you put any of the Which Best buys on your face for daily wear?"

On holiday and days out, yes. If I wasn't outside very much, no.

thomashardon · 03/07/2015 15:32

"would you put any of the Which Best buys on your face for daily wear?"
Not personally, no. Does that matter? I assume all of those products offer broad spectrum protection because they are on the best buy list. I would definitely give them a go if I didn't have problems with my skin, and I was pleased with their credentials Smile.

I have very sensitive reactive skin, especially on my face, and suffer from pretty horrible eczema. I have to be careful about ingredients, and have tried a lot of different brands in pursuit of finding one which feels comfortable on my skin. I prefer a specially formulated product for my face (as I think they are better suited to sensitive skin), and I'm really happy with the Ultrasun products I currently use daily.

villainousbroodmare I have tried some of the Eucerin products, but unfortunately they did not give a matt finish on my face. I think they also smell a bit strange. I was pretty disappointed!

purpleapple1234 · 03/07/2015 15:55

"temperature is irrelevant to UV strength ('the sun doesn't move closer on a hot day, stupid!')"

Could this be explained to me. As I understand it the rays that burn you are UV rays with UV causing tanning, but both causing damage and are potentially cancerous. UV rays make up about 7% of the sun's rays. Again as far as I know, the other 93% will be IR (thermal or heat waves). The amount of sun rays will of course never decrease because the sun is always there but the intensity of them will decrease depending on the position of the earth and its spin. So as the intensity of the IR rays obviously decreases (as felt by colder temperatures at the beginning and end of the day when the earth is spinning towards or away from the sun), wouldn't the intensity of the UV rays also decrease proportionally? Therefore, aren't UV strength and temperature actually directly linked?

That is my logic. Can anyone explain if UV strength and temp aren't related why that is so? Am geniuely interested as a science person. The only thing I can think of is that air pressure is important in the air temperature, which is what we feel, but again that is highly dependant on the intensity of the sun's rays.

NerdyBird · 03/07/2015 17:34

I bought a facial sunscreen from Superdrug. On it it recommends the amount to use, and says using less may decrease protection. I can't remember the star rating if it has one, but I did buy it from the sunscreen section. I also use mineral make up, which I think acts as a physical barrier.

Candra · 03/07/2015 18:01

Sali Hughes recommends the garnier one from bunbakers list

Candra · 03/07/2015 18:02

In so much that lots of people in her industry use it

specialsubject · 03/07/2015 18:44

purple the major factors in strength of UV are:

  • latitude; the nearer the equator you are, the less atmosphere the rays have to pass through as they come from nearer straight up.
  • altitude: the higher up in the atmosphere you are, the less atmosphere there is above you to shield you
  • time of year, which combined with latitude also affects the apparent height the sun reaches in the sky.

the tilt of the earth is the cause of the seasons and the change in the apparent height of the sun during the year.

things cool down at dawn and dusk because the apparent height of the sun decreases, obviously ending in it going below the horizon.

the earth is actually closer to the sun during the northern hemisphere winter - the orbit is an ellipse. Doesn't make much difference comparted to the other effects.

if UV strength and temperature were linked no-one would come back from a ski trip looking like a toffee apple. Or get burnt on a snowy day in the UK (reflection)

it is all fairly basic stuff - and you don't need to be a 'science person' you need not to have flicked your hair through school physics/geography wherever the fact that the earth is tilted and goes round the sun is taught.

what annoys me are the endless cries of 'it's hot, so I must wear suncream' (or worse, thinking it only needs to go on the kids when it is hot). More skin is exposed when it is hot but most of us always expose our faces. The problem is that this attitude means people have no understanding that peak UV is June 21st, not August in the school holidays. Of course August needs protection too.

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