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Dressing for work in an American corporation

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CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 02/04/2015 16:31

Just that - what is essential to look professional in a US blue chip company? I'm assuming a suit / day dress is standard wear, along with decent shoes and bag. But what about the subtle stuff: manicure / hair / make up / tights?

Any advice much appreciated!

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Out2pasture · 13/04/2015 22:27

my workplace had a scent free policy.

Laquila · 13/04/2015 23:07

I have naturally curly hair and definitely used to get treated differently when I straightened it (which wasn't very often). Men found it much easier to deal with! I honestly don't think I was imagining that a lot of male colleagues and bosses treated me with a little more respect, especially the French male boss. In fact that was the only office I've worked in where I saw staff asked to wear more make-up, too. There's a documentary narrated by Chris Rock about attitudes to Afro hair called Good Hair - interesting viewing.

RubyReins · 13/04/2015 23:34

Do not miss the 6 minutes at all! I went to the Bar so I still work crazy hours but at least I don't have to spend 2 hours a day accounting for my time Grin

Is it just me or do we need an Ann Taylor in the UK?! As plain as it is, I think there is a gap in the market here. I have to obtemper a super strict dress code and need black suits but the shops are filled with mother of the bride stuff right now. I had a bespoke suit made recently as a result of the dearth of suitable suiting (not as spendy as it sounds!).

Azquilith · 13/04/2015 23:39

www.kwintessential.co.uk/etiquette/doing-business-uk.html

Was just doing a bit of a google on London business dress and found this!

Particularly love: "Punctuality is a very British trait."

MoveAlongNow · 13/04/2015 23:46

This thread is really interesting! Native new Yorker here, although have been resident in rural Britain for many years Smile. I don't recognise a lot of what other poster's have said about NYC dress code, but am sure it's true for them.

It is also very sector specific and I promise that plenty of New Yorkers have far better and more interesting dress sense than what's listed here. This is a very narrow segment of a huge, diverse population.

Yes tho to ubiquitous mani's. I'm 35 and have had one in my life Shock. When I'm back I NYC it does get noticed, as does my ratty hair and unshaven pits. It is very hard not to respond to this by upping the grooming regime, even though my normal 'regime' is limited to showering & brushing teeth!

CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 14/04/2015 01:48

Ruby - have you tried TM Lewin for plain suits?

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Want2bSupermum · 14/04/2015 02:46

Ruby There is a huge gap in the UK market for business clothes and when DH was going to relocate back to Manchester my plan was to start my own Ann Taylor/The Limited. Finding plain clothes suitable for the office that cover you and don't overly play to trends is really hard.

Don't get me started on Americans being late. There is zero point in having deadlines because no one follows them. IF they did we all would be leaving work a whole lot earlier as there would be less revisions etc to work.

Gralick · 14/04/2015 03:16

Putting this on my TIA for more grimly fascinated reading tomorrow Shock

Eastpoint · 14/04/2015 05:21

Don't Hobbs, Banana Republic & Next's smarter pieces cover the same territory as Ann Taylor? I used to find MaxMara & Georges Rech had good workwear but I think Georges Rech has disappeared now. Austin Reed & Jaeger? Not as cheap as Ann Taylor but good.

claraschu · 14/04/2015 06:48

Hi Movealongnow, I am another native New Yorker who has been living for years in rural England. I am mystified and horrified by this thread, as I don't recognise anything described here.

JessieMcJessie · 14/04/2015 07:03

This thread makes fascinating reading. I am very senior in a professional services firm. I am currently wearing a patterned jersey M&S wrap dress I got in the sale for about 30 quid, no tights, clarks patent shoes with scuffed heels and a string of plain black pearls. My hair is expensively highlighted but I didn't blow dry it this morning, just ran a comb through it, and I haven't got round to putting any makeup on yet (though I would do a quick BB cream, mascara and blusher if I were seeing any clients). I've got a black Radley bag from an outlet, cost about a hundred quid. I never have manicures and my nails are bitten Blush.

To be honest I know that this dress looks a bit crap but it's really comfy and I am the boss so I don't give a shit.

The interesting thing is that I work in Hong Kong, another major financial centre but one that hasn't been mentioned yet, and my colleagues are a mix of locals and expats from Australia, the UK and Canada. Most of us expat women are pretty scruffy to be honest though we all have our nicer little dresses for special meetings. Jackets are rare. We laugh at the locals who insist on tottering to work in high heels whereas we change into flip flops the minute we leave our desks. Some locals have a downright bizarre dress sense - ruffles, frills and chiffon abound and my secretary, who is 5 years older than me (and I am the wrong side of 40) is wearing a bow in her hair today. I did have to speak recently to a junior who was wearing a crotch-length skirt. Genuine designer handbags are common here as many young women live with family and don't pay rent so have spare cash to spend on them; they allegedly say a lot about status but my mid-range high street selection has never held me back so I reckon it's all about whose opinion you value.

I have a 1 carat diamind solitaire engagement ring but I was at a meeting the other day where many of the women worked in-house for investment banks and I was struck by the size of the rocks they were carting around on their left hands (at least 3 times the size of mine). I would have been appalled if DH had spent that much money on a ring, even though he could afford it - did I really read something earlier on about the NY standard being US$50k?!

A pp said that her small engagement ring was "looked down upon" by colleagues; I'd be intrigued to know how she knew that, did someone actualy say it to your face? If judging people on their wealth must be done, I find it faintly hilarious that idiots equate ostentatious spending on jewellery with having a lot of money - it's perfectly possible to be stinking rich and choose to spend your cash on things other than bling.

WTBsupermum do you genuinely believe that your job would be at risk if you let your hair go grey? Or do you mean if you let your roots grow in and it looked messy? Either way, that's pretty shocking - a bit of a talking-to for really messy roots maybe but a sackable offence? As a manager I know how much it costs to recruit and train people and I would be very loathe to sack someone on the basis of appearance unless they actually smelled and ignored warnings.

Also, do NY women still wear trainers (sneakers) with their tights and suits to walk to and from work? I remember seeing that on Working Girl as a teenager and thinking it looked so horrible; now I fully understand and love the idea, but it sounds from what you say that people are more concerned with appearance than they were in the 80s, so wondering if it has fallen out of fashion?

RubyReins · 14/04/2015 10:59

I haven't tried Banana Republic as there isn't one nearby but Hobbs is just hopeless for me (they don't cater for short waisted short arses) and Next is a bit down market (sorry for being appallingly snobby there but I need to look super sharp and their suiting just isn't - I like their harem pants though!). I used to go to Jigsaw but their recent collections have been hideously drippy and the quality has assumed the shape of a pear. TM Lewin was just the wrong side of plain and the jackets hung a little too straight and as an hourglass I looked like I was wearing my dad's jacket. Every suit at the moment seems to be navy or grey or a Jimmy Green, sorry, Jacques Vert, style coral or mint. Bloody minefield. It was easier getting a suit made - fits well, feels great and will last an age.

I envy the blokes I work with as they can get a smart high quality suit so easily. My DH once suggested starting up a retail outfit that just sold good quality women's business wear after I had yet another rant. Cracking idea Supermum.

NeitherHereOrThere · 14/04/2015 11:42

Another one who thinks an Ann Taylor lookalike store in the UK would be great - I hate the suits at Next (too cheap looking) and M&S is not much better either and my budget doesn't stretch to Austin Reed/Lk Bennett etc.

As someone with no curves I need my suits to be fitted. I gave up on trouser suits ages ago these tend to look too baggy on me. I now go for shift dresses when I need to look extra smart but these can get too hot in the summer so being able to wear a nice suit with a top/shirt would be great.

Interesting thread btw - I used to work for an US multinational company in the UK and their rules were draconian - no bare legs, no sleeveless blouses/tops, no cleavages etc. During a very hot summer, I ended up wearing stockings as tights were just too uncomfortable.

rubybleu · 14/04/2015 12:46

Jessie - yes, it's true that small diamonds are looked down on in the States. I socialise with quite a few US expats in London (typically wealthy) and recently a few were discussing how sad they felt for friends who received tiny diamonds. I was trying not to look too horrified as there were a few English ladies there with lovely smaller diamonds. If you can't afford the real thing American ladies will opt for moissanite which is a fraction of the price but very close to diamond in appearance. It's far more common than you think.

Wibblypiglikesbananas · 14/04/2015 12:57

Love the Ann Taylor spinoff idea! I'm currently on a career break but was looking in there the other day thinking that when it ends, I'll be stocking up before getting back to work. It's also the only place I've been where I can buy pretty much any trousers in my size and they just 'fit'. I have never found that in a shop in the UK. Ditto Loft jeans when I come to think about it...

cressetmama · 14/04/2015 13:03

Another supporter for Supermum's new business venture here. I worked in publishing and financial services in NYC in the early 80s (so no longer in Super's target market) but there was a shocking lack of mid-market, mid-priced clothing for young professional women in the UK, until Next opened in 82. The quality was rather good in those days, and when $1 was almost the same as £1, Next sales were fantastic for stocking up on office kit that was different to Banana Republic, Ann Taylor and the outlet stores on Seventh Avenue. Interesting to read all that has been written above about NY office dress codes; it doesn't sound as if much has changed.

RubyReins · 14/04/2015 13:08

We could crowd fund a branch! Just make sure we don't arse it up like Sephora did when they came over here for what seemed like an hour Angry

toffeeboffin · 14/04/2015 13:36

No make up?! Shock.

I once had an interview at a summer camp that had a no mascara policy, so I declined the job Grin

AddToBasket · 14/04/2015 14:04

Yeah, the big diamond thing is so weird. Presumably everyone knows roughly what the people around them earn. So isn't it just like wearing a big glittery sign saying 'Me and my intended make really shallow financial decisions'?

AddToBasket · 14/04/2015 14:06

Btw, Jaeger already does the quality stuff that you all think is missing from the high street. I realise the 'Jaeger' bit sounds dowdy but the clothes are generally a good cut - especially the simple suits and dresses - a usually worth the investment.

squoosh · 14/04/2015 14:07

The big diamond thing reminds me of WWII brides who would hide their sad little ration cake under a big cardboard wedding cake to make it seem a bit fancier.

squoosh · 14/04/2015 14:10

Moissanite cake.

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NickiFury · 14/04/2015 14:25

I've often thought that a big part of being a certain kind of American is putting on an act. That is getting the right grades, into the right college, getting the right partner, the right ring, the perfect wedding venue. It often seems to be more about presenting yourselves and your life in a certain way than actually living that life and going off point and just enjoying it. Everything described on here confirms that to me.

JessieMcJessie · 14/04/2015 14:27

ruby what do you reckon is the minimum acceptable carats for an NY diamond?

JessieMcJessie · 14/04/2015 14:28

Addtobasket [Grin]

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