forehead 11s...what can I use?

[eggyfartpants]

Got really bad 11s on my forehead. Can't afford botox or anything similar (and not sure I would want it). Skin is prone to oiliness. Are there any magic creams/make up to make them less noticeable?

floisme you may not notice the specifics, but I wonder if you think of people as say unapproachable, because they look grumpy or have a downturned mouth? Similarly you might not think x has fantastic teeth, but you might think of her as happy just because she's confident to flash them!

flo

I literally roll around every time someone says 'a good colour and a cut' in answer to a S&B thread
Decent hair will only ever be that. A hat on top of a frowning scarecrow.

(not you OP, carry on)

I agree my hair and clothes etc are fine But nothing can beat that refreshed look that a bit of 'help' gives. I have loads of friends who don't have it and they still look great but at our age all around 50 they do look knackered!

Ronald equally, I roll my eyes when people start on about Botox. I'm like, 'Just who do you think is looking at your forehead?' Yet I do notice hair (particularly over straightened, badly dyed hair but that's a whole other thread). And while the 'get a good haircut' advice may make you grind your teeth, it also suggests that at least some other people feel the same way.

Helpyourself Possibly, I don't know. Maybe some people feel more confident after they've had work done so they look happier?

Noddy maybe I am sceptical because I am way over 50 and beyond Botox!

I'm not trying to argue that anyone's wrong - I'm just pointing out that we all notice different things about people. I think it's interesting.

flo

I feel 'colour and cut' is just something trotted out by often clueless S&B ladies

it takes the onus off the individual and is a safe, nothing thing to say. OP might say, "I look a heap, what will I do?" and 200 people say colour and cut and drink a gallon of water a day
BTW having seen many women leaving salons...their idea of a lovely colour and a cut clearly does not equal the same as yours.

Here the OP asks specifically about her 11s. It is clear that you feel that her worries are baseless. The advice given was specifically about her 11s. Better that the OP save the money she's spend on creams and stuff that doesn't work, including distraction in that pot btw and actually have something that does reduce 11s - botox.

So I'd recommend that she save up for botox

There is no doubt that getting rid of your 1s or11s makes people look more rested and refreshed. It can be so subtle as to be unnoticeable. And I agree with what a pp said. You may not notice the forehead, but you will notice the expression.

I wouldn't say baseless. If you're worried about something, then you're worried, end of. I guess I was trying to point out - particularly as the op said she couldn't afford and wasn't keen on Botox - that some (not all but some) people never even notice frown lines anyway.

I do agree about creams. Now that's something that really makes me cross: cosmetic firms taking the piss and coining it in.

Botox doesn't just eradicate lines tiny amounts well placed give a refreshed lifted look.

I should also add that I'm probably quite a bit older than most of you so maybe I have a different perspective. Once you get into your fifties, Botox, fillers etc are useless - there's too much else going on and frown lines are just a happy memory.

I think sunglasses are important years of squinting in bright light will deepen the lines around your eyes,

I agree by the time you're into your 50's it's too late, the thing is to start with the factor 50 and big shades right from the get go!

I am 49 so maybe I am in time

I have friends in their 50 who use subtle fillers and botox and look great!

I think in terms of money spent botox/fillers/sunscreen/shades will score better than face expensive creams.

I mostly make my own face cream, olive oil with a little beeswax to thicken cheap as chips!

Botox is what, 500 to 1000 per year depending on where you go and how often?

I think I can get away with once a year soon as the effect has lasted. I first had it about 3 years ago. I pay £200 a time now as I have half the mls and go to a cosmetic surgeon not a beautician. I use decleor face oils the rest of the time. And agree always wear big glasses I have no crows feet it must be that.

Never too late!
A good practitioner is all you need. I also know women in their 50s who look fantastic with Botox so subtle that it's nigh on impossible to detect.
Save on facials and put it towards Botox.

I know creases will drop out to a certain extent but don't you ideally need to start botox before the lines are too deep?

Depends what you mean by impossible to detect, a smooth forehead is surely a dead give away even if a persons face looks perfectly natural?

What I have found Noddy and Lurking, is that, once you're well into your fifties, everything snowballs. If you sort out the lines, there's still the jowls, age spots, neck, hands and general, unspecific sagginess. Some of it, I can't even put a name to - it just kind of looks like my face is disappearing It is totally relentless and you'd have to re-mortgage your whole family to keep on top of it. It's probably why I prefer talking about nice clothes and hair! So, if I sound a bit unsympathetic about frown lines, then I apologise.

Yes Suzanne, you do need to start before the line gets too deep. But even deep lines are softened. It's the expression of crossness/tiredness etc that I don't like. I don't mind lines so much. I don't like the 'all-smooth' look.

I'm early thirties and was developing a deep 1. I have managed to reduce it by daily exfoliation and loads of cream.

You're really selling the 50s Flo!!

There must be upsides to the 50s Flo?!

Flo I don't agree I think genetics plays a part too but I have may friends in their 50s who look amazing. Yes things sag a bit but nothing drastic.

50s are are hoot, Lurking But nice clothes and a good hairdresser are a great comfort!

It really is impossible to detect if done well. The shiny completely smooth look is awful i agree I still have movement and a vague shadow of the lines.

It seems to me that rates of facial aging do vary and the disparity perhaps becomes apparent in the 5th decade?

A combination of genotype and environment/the life you lived and the complex interaction thereof.

I suppose focusing on maintaining general health has a greater payoff in terms of quality of life.
Still it's a cruel thing especially I feel for those who were stunning in youth.