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The Shopping Ban / Frugal Fashion Thread

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FrugalFashionista · 08/03/2013 08:03

Tentatively dipping my toes in here ---
Do you love clothes, shoes, accessories, and beauty products - perhaps a bit too much? Wink
Have you self-prescribed a shopping ban, are you on a strict budget, or are you trying to learn to shop more mindfully for other reasons? Are you a budding recessionista, thriftionista, frugal fashionista - or would you like to become one?
Would you like to do this with like-minded people, still looking stylish and up to date?

This thread could be a place for mutual support, inspiration and creative tweaks (planning outfits from what you already have; charity shopping, swaps, repurposing).

My personal goal: no more clothes, shoe or beauty purchases in March.

I'll tell you more about why I am here in true 12-step tradition, but we need a few like-minded people first Wink

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4isenough · 01/04/2013 17:04

Frugal, as a new member, this is my first post on MN, I have to say I am in awe of you! Your take on all things to do with style and fashion is amazing to read and you have a wonderful way with words. For me, your posts radiate calmness and common sense, none of the air of 'frenzy' that appears on other threads, you know, 'have to have, quick quick click my basket before it goes' kind of thing. I do love to read and see the links on the other threads, but so much of that is far out of my budget as a sham of 4 in recession hit Ireland! While your take on things resonates with me so much, the re-looking at what you have and falling back in fashion love with some older pieces should be required reading for every stylish woman. I love your attention to detail and would have thought I had an eye for proportion but compared to you i still am wearing my L plates! That take on necklace length had me out with the measuring tape!! I know back up thread you said maybe your "work her was done" but while I know you put a lot of time into your posts, please don't stop or at least not until you have explained your rules for pear shapes!! At the risk of being cheeky, as they say here in Ireland, 'you have the makings of a book in you"

FrugalFashionista · 01/04/2013 18:10

Thanks all! Blush The Italian style book repeats a lot of info you'll find in every style book ever written - but I'll explain the 3:5 ideology which I find extremely helpful.

Vitruvian ideal body proportions have been used by some classic painters and they contain the golden ratio that is much used in architecture and design. The golden ratio is approximately 3:5 and it creates instinctively pleasing visual harmonies. When you are dressing, avoid clothes that cut you exactly in half - go for 3:5 instead.

So how do you find the 3:5 in your body? An ideal Vitruvian body is 8 head lengths tall (the Vitruvian unit =the length of your face, measured from the top of the head to the tip of the chin - measure as you would measure the proportions of a painting). If your measurements are close to the ideal, you are perfectly proportioned. Waist is ideally located exactly two head lengths down from your chin tip; waist-to-pubes is one head length (which means that the cutting in half point is there). Ideally proportioned bottom half: pubes-to-knees two head-lengths, knees to floor two head-lengths. If you are not close to Vitruvian ideals, you will better understand which parts are over/underrepresented and can choose clothes and hairdos that improve the proportions.

I tried measuring myself - not sure how helpful it is as there is quite a bit measurement error. I'm a standard mannequin size (except that that my torso is a few centimeters on the short size - my neck and legs are slightly longer than average) so Vitruvian proportions describe me quite well.

Applying the 3:5 ratio is much more important. I'll give you an example. The outfit I love to hate is tunic worn over skinny jeans. On me, it looks dreary and boring. When I look at the mirror I understand why: it cuts me exactly in half and highlights my boxy/columnar body shape. No visual interest whatsoever except my hips that bulge out a bit. I saw a woman this afternoon on the street wearing a tunic with skinnies. She looked ready for a fashion shoot. Why? Her graphite gray wool tunic and dark gray skinnies were paired with chunky taupe moto boots and a cropped cream biker jacket. She was not a 4:4 - the visual focus was at her natural waistline creating a perfect 3:5 ratio.

Another example classic knee-length dress covers about five head-lengths and leaves one head length on top and two down free: 3:5 again - the 3 part is just fractioned. Play with these proportions and tell me if they work!

Oh and the optimal necklace placement? One Vitruvian length down from your chin. This is clearly why I don?t wear the "statement necklaces" you see everywhere this season. They tend to be too wide and shallow for my long oval face - perfect for a petite or rounder shape but much too short for me. On me, they look uptight, headmistressy and mis-positioned - the rest of me is out of proportion - but matinee and opera length pearls look fantastic on me. If you prefer short necklaces, there is an ideal too - measure the widest point of your face (temples? cheeks? jawline?) and bring this measurement down your neck to a point where you find the corresponding measurement (on me this is thyroid). Place the necklace there. These ratios may explain why I love triple chokers placed high and very long necklaces, but find everything in-between really difficult and potentially dowdy.

Sorry about the long post - do you find these instructions helpful? Should I talk about pears (it's actually something much nicer in Italian)?

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santamarianovella · 01/04/2013 18:40

this is my first post on the shopping ban thread ,and i totally agree with 4isenough im learning a lot from frugal. and im dying to read more tips on how to accessorize properly.i love jewelry ,costume and the real deal, they can transform any boring top or dress into a stunning look.
you should start a blog on how to accessorize and style basic item of clothing frugal .

FrugalFashionista · 01/04/2013 19:19

Thanks SMN! Being on a shopping ban has given me more time to think about style and actually try on outfits and perfect their proportions. A lot of the info is something I've learned from my very stylish mother and skilled home tailor / hat and shoe crazy grandmother. Plus I love street style and style-spot every time I go out (the local playground is like a runway).

Re: statement necklaces, Olivia Palermo gets many things instinctively right - check the Vitruvian proportions here.

Oh and did you know that both the worlds 'elegant' and 'eclectic' are derived from the word 'to choose' (in Latin and Greek, respectively). From the multitude of options, to choose the ones that work for you. There is something for everyone, making the right choices is the tricky part...

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ChablisLover · 01/04/2013 20:57

So hubby is thinking of having a clear out too!

Frugality must be catching.

Today was a trip to the coast but to get there we went the scenic route through snow filled glens. Wrapped up warm in old uniqlo cashmere, boden furry gilet and merrell coat and was still cold.

Frugal - love the idea of having perfect proportions to make things look better - a bit like the idea that symmetry is beautiful as it proportional. My only issue is that I can't decide my face shape or body shape. I think I'm more hourglass than pair but I think my shoulders are slightly wider than my hips. I know what clothes don't suit me ( I think) and that's a start.

PretzelTime · 01/04/2013 21:14

Frugal you're like the guru of this thread [bugrin]
Not sure how to recreate those perfect proportions IRL...if I understand it correctly, you have to make sure the outfit is not "cut" in the middle which is the crotch. So that means tops and cardis that are either really short or really long?

Please do talk about pears next [busmile] Or hourglasses, I don't know which I am.

4isenough · 01/04/2013 21:31

Pears please!!!

VioletGoesVintage · 01/04/2013 22:12

Vitruvian proportions - fascinating! I'm dying to get out a tape measure but DH will think I've gone mad. (Fingers crossed or some ootball on soon.) I'm wondering if it might explain why I feel so blah and androgynous in slim or skinny trousers/jeans and regular t-shirts, and always go for something longer fitting.

On the subject of skinnies, I've done another day without them: gardening clothes - old chinos, wellies and about 15 jumpers - which were later switched for knee socks under indigo flares, tan suede Ash jalouse, navy slim-fitting polo neck (after a seam that had come adrift was repaired in a hurry before taking DD to a party) and a deep v-neck, elbow-length navy "dress" with small white horseshoes on the front. I say "dress" because although that's what it was sold as, it's too short (above mid-thigh) on me to wear as such. It oughtn't to work over flares but it really does. It's one of my favourites (definitely not a benchwarmer) and gets worn a lot. Annoyingly, it's dry clean - front is silk, back and sleeves cotton/viscose mix) - and I think I'm going to have to pay attention to this as the back is bobbling slightly.

Who else is still skinnies-free?

VioletGoesVintage · 01/04/2013 22:14

#for some football on soon

CeeceeBloomingdale · 01/04/2013 22:57

I'm very much an apple shape, any style tips FF? (I don't expect this a common body shape in Italy)

justasecond · 01/04/2013 23:37

FF I love your posts too and that is so interesting re the Vitruvian proportions. I just got DH to measure me and I am 8.1 head lengths (I also have a long neck and legs though) This would explain why tunics look awful on me too as they cut me in half! I wear a lot of long dress/knitted dresses over skinnies and but have to go for something longer so it is below mid thigh
like this
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I think I am a column shape although have narrow shoulders which can make my hips look bigger even though I am generally slim all over. Would love any tips for my shape.

FrugalFashionista · 02/04/2013 13:17

Hi all, thanks for the feedback and Justasecond your shape sounds just like mine! I have a busy working day and will give some specific body shape info later but before getting to that some more general info (I find that if you understand the general principles, you don't need to memorize a lot of rules and can be more creative with your outfits).

General principles of dressing

1 The principle of similarity - create visually pleasing harmonies by repeating a shape, form or shade: the curve of your cheek, your legline, your natural colors, etc

2 The principle of contrasting - add visual interest by adding contrasting elements.

Example 1, principle of similarity and contrast. I'm tall and quite thin. It's a good thing in moderation, but if I overdo enhancing similarity, I look like a Holocaust survivor. So I enhance certain parts of my shape (I tend to show my legline; I repeat my natural colors in my outfits) but I also introduce contrasts (I'm strongly vertical, so I add horizontal elements to my outfits). Example: a tall thin woman I saw this morning. She wore tight trousers and riding boots (=strong vertical element) teamed with a voluminous fur-collar parka (adding horizontality). She looked balanced, not like a Giacometti sculpture.

Example 2: I'm pale and low-contrast. If I dress completely in beige, I'm invisible. Strong medium-intensity colors (red, green, blue) make me more visible and enhance the milky tone of my skin. People have naturally different levels of contrast. Take a black-and-white picture of yourself (=Photoshop your picture) and observe the contrasts. Do you see white and black a la Nigella Lawson and Snow White? -> high contrast. Do you see clear contrasts but everything is in shades of gray - > medium contrast. Is everything quite monotonous and low in tonal variance -> low contrast. If you are naturally high contrast, repeating this grade of contrast in your outfits will work (=you can use black and white). If you are low-contrast and wear high-contrast outfits, your clothes will swamp you and you will look drab and insignificant in comparison - you will achieve "high contrast" by using tones much closer to each other. If you are low-contrast, Google Sarah Jessica Parker and study her outfits. Can you see how she respects the principle of similarity most of the time (hair, skin, lips, many of her clothes) but also skilfully employs the principle of contrast (her eyes are usually the contrasting element). I'm very low contrast and a good "black and white" for me is steel gray + oatmeal or cream. I can either respect it and go for a relatively muted-color outfit (principle of similarity) or add visual interest by going for contrast (add bright lipstick, bright colored clothes). Because I tend to look bland, I always make sure that my brows and lips are clearly defined (this also increases horizontality - I tend to be over-vertical otherwise).

How to define your leading visual plane

Vertical - tall, thin, stick-figure like, long-limbs - you can emphasize and repeat your verticality by adding vertical elements but will balance your proportions by introducing horizontal elements. Full skirts, horizontally striped tops, rectangular necklines, bulkier tops or voluminous trousers or sleeves. Do this to just one part (respecting the 3:5) of your body.

Horizontal - short, wide - introduce vertical elements to your outfits (create vertical visual cues by the use of buttons in jackets, long straight trousers, pleats, topstitching, etc; avoid an excess of horizontal cues)

Diagonal - are you X-shaped (hourglass), Y-shaped (inverted triangle) or do you have prominent cheekbones, sloping eyes or a heart-shaped face? Repeat diagonal elements throughout your outfits: wrap dresses, bias-cut clothes, V-necks repeat and enhance your natural diagonal planes.

Average - most people are average. Not particularly tall, not particularly wide, not particularly diagonal, just average. In your case, pick out 3 to 5 parts in yourself that you particularly like. Then use the principles of similarity and contrast to showcase them (=repeat the shape of that body part in your outfits; highlight them by using the principle of contrast).

Curvy - If you are curvy, study women who dress curves well - Jennifer Hudson, Queen Latifah for example. Kirstie Alley is very interesting because she can get it spectacularly wrong (google her!). You can learn what works and what does not by observing her. I know a few XL models irl. They are off the charts sizewise (not size 14!) but look stunning. One of them repeats her sinuous curves in her outfits and uses sensuous silk jersey and heavier cotton jersey to make her top part look even more voluptuous. She buys her skinny jeans from 'urban' brands and vacuum-packs her bottom - she gets cat calls on the streets. Another friend makes her brown eyes and creamy skin the visual focal point of all outfits - you never really notice the rest of her body. Blogs featuring curvy women are worth studying - you can see what works and what doesn't and then try out the looks you like best.

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daimbardiva · 02/04/2013 15:19

OK, so I have a confession to make...I have not managed to get off the ground during my "no skinnies" week yet. I am sitting here in skinny jeans, a checked red lumberjack shirt (which I love) and a big woolly grey cardigan because it's still bloomin' freezing here (literally - it hasn't risen above 0 today). I have spent the morning enthusiastically mucking out my wardrobe and have 5 huge bags ready for the charity shop, but unfortunately have come across very few items which I'm gasping to wear again.

Feeling quite deflated - was really looking forward to a wardrobe "remix", but totally lacking inspiration now. Any words of advice as to how to move forward most gratefully received...!!!

FrugalFashionista · 02/04/2013 15:50

Daimbar well done with the clearout Thanks - no wonder you feel a bit deflated, a huge effort! Can you describe a couple of key pieces you have left? Maybe we can help you to remix them?

For me, day 3 of No Skinnies Week
Black cigarette pants
Black pointy-toe wedges
Sky blue denim shirt 3/4 sleeves, belted low using the detachable necktie
Necklace made by my daughter

Love today's outfit - super simple but feels polished. And the necklace (perfect Vitruvian length) makes this less corporate. (The shirt is a benchwarmer and I replaced a missing button on the pants yesterday.)

Oh and shopping ban officially over - no lapses! - but am thinking of continuing it. I realized I have a really versatile wardrobe and no new purchases are absolutely necessary. If I buy something it should be a long-neglected basic (say, gray or black leather belt). Re-evaluating, remixing and restyling feels much more rewarding at the moment.

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justasecond · 02/04/2013 20:21

I am definately vertical and that makes perfect sense to me. I bought a more voluminous coat this winter and it worked really well with slim/straight leg jeans. Somehow my other tailored fitted coats just didn't look as good with them.
I really hope the mid calf voluminous coats that Victoria Beckham has been wearing recently filter down to the high st in A/W.

VioletGoesVintage · 02/04/2013 20:36

Makes sense to me too. I'm tall and thin, albeit with broad shoulders, and need some volume somewhere to balance me out.

And DH is out tomorrow night so I shall get busy with the tape measure and see what my "proportions" are Grin.

OneLittleLady · 02/04/2013 20:56

I'm a very definite pear, my hips are much wider than my shoulders. I think I'm pretty horizontal rather than average because I'm below average height and quite wide, I'd certainly say wider than average. Got out the tape measure and I divide into exactly 8 head lengths. Not sure what this means in terms of my clothes though.

FrugalFashionista · 02/04/2013 21:13

The Italian style book has cleverly rebranded some of the most hackneyed body shape terminology. Thought you were a pear? Turns out you are Botticelli's Venus Grin (If you don't like that, take your pick: Eva Longoria, Kim Kardashian, J Lo, Beyoncé, Mena Suvari, Kate Middleton)

Ok, Hemlines automatically act as visual guides for the eye - do not not place them near your widest point in the hip (or calf) area. The prescribed shape is A-line (now back in fashion after a short disappearance!) - avoid oversized tees and sack-like dresses (and burn your tunics).

Instead of hiding your hips focus on making your top part more visible. Large or rectangular collars, Breton stripes, voluminous sleeves and 3/4 sleeves, big bracelets, boleros, gilets and small cardigans are your friends because they (can you tell I'm a pear Botticelli's Venus) create interest in your top part. In fact, any jewelry you can decorate your top part with (earrings, necklaces, sunglasses, small chic scarves) is recommended. And prefer light colors from the navel up (they make your top part appear larger); boat necks (because they create horizontal lines that balance your top) and wear your bag at on a shortish strap at breast height (never on the hip).

Prescribed jeans shape: bootcuts, because they (particularly when paired with chunky heeled boots) lengthen the bottom half and balance your hips. Skinny jeans and cigarette pants are a risky choice because they emphasize the ample hip area and can create an ice cream cone/ parsnip silhouette. Baggy trousers make the bottom half enormous - better avoided. Dark colors and indigo and black denim are good choices.

In skirts, look for a cut cone shape - a vertical line of buttons can be slimming. A pear Venus can also wear circular skirts. Pencil skirts and slim skirts are risky. Tuck in and show the waistline to create a flattering horizontal line off your hipline. Never ever wear anything low-slung.

Use medium-weight fluid fabrics - wool crepe, jersey and tricot. From the navel up, use fabrics with enough weight to create volume (heavy cotton, silk shantung, linen).

My footnotes here: I'm somewhere between a lean column and a Venus. I follow quite a few suggestions for columns here (for Justasecond ), but instinctively also most 'pear' rules. I love boleros, cropped jackets, handbags with a short chain strap, 3/4 sleeves, short pleated skirts, A-line dresses, bracelets - all of these make intuitive sense to me and are indispensable. If you are a pear Venus and don't own any of these items, experiment with one or two to see whether they feel right.

Bootcuts are a mainstream style in Italy, I see them all the time on extremely fashionable women. Many Italian women are amphora-shaped, whatever that means. They also wear skinny jeans, but the footwear they pair them with is either chunky moto boots (often heavily studded for extra visual impact) or slouchy suede boots (this type) to balance their ample hips. It works! Almost everyone here dresses in proportion.

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InMySpareTime · 02/04/2013 21:42

I am short and now thin but curvy, 5ft, 26H bust, 36/25/38 proportions. No idea what that makes me shape-wise, but things that work for me are:
Low necklines to show off the cleavage (I rock corsets tooGrin)
Knee length skirts as any shorter I'm self conscious and long skirts make me look even shorterBlush
Belts look good, or things that go in at the waist, as my waist is tiny and I like to show it offGrin.
Tops either need to stop at my waist, be tucked into a high-waisted trouser or skirt, or be thigh length. Anything ending at my gargantuan hips is a disaster.

I have no idea how that fits current fashion or thinking, that's what works for me and makes me feel fab.
Being short, I adapt most of my clothes to make them fit anyway, so am no stranger to charity shop bought adapted fare.

FrugalFashionista · 02/04/2013 21:50

Sparetime you sound like a hourglass. (A fantastic classic shape.)
It's possible to find trendy items for each shape - but if you ask me, dressing your shape always trumps being trendy.

Some hourglass ideas here.

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OneLittleLady · 02/04/2013 21:52

After measuring again, my waist is smaller than I thought and is the smallest part of me. Seems I'm closer to full hourglass than pear shaped than I thought. Hurrah for tape measures.

scarlet76 · 02/04/2013 23:33

I am a little on the pear shaped side - any suggestions frugal??
How's people getting on with the no skinnys?? They are still my go to.
Managed well with my 10 items since the weekend. Realise I'm thinking more about putting outfits together. Also realising I simply don't need the volume of stuff I have.
Dinner with the girls on Saturday night. Normally this would have been justification enough to buy something new! Instead I went through my 10 items and wore khaki slim trousers, grey T and biker with leopard heels and a big scarf. I felt more relaxed than I have in ages.
Today I wore skinnys and breton with red lips for a change.
Have to work tomorrow and have already decided on dress with brogues.

PretzelTime · 02/04/2013 23:50

scarlet Frugal wrote about pears in the 21:13:33 post. Thanks by the way! Botticelli's Venus sure sounds better than a fruit.

AphraBehn · 03/04/2013 09:45

I have a top I really like but doesn't suit me as it's sleeveless and I prefer to cover my arms.
Today I decided to wear it with a cardigan over and managed about an hour before changing into something else. If I can't even bear wearing it indoors whilst hoovering then it's never going to make it out the front door! Lesson learnt and I need to be more discerning in future. Just because something is a great colour it can still look shit if the shape is wrong.

InMySpareTime · 03/04/2013 10:04

Aphra, could you add sleeves, or wear it over a long sleeved fitted top?