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Disguising tear troughs, finally something that works

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otchayaniye · 07/03/2011 10:55

Basically a tear trough is a groove or very slight indent caused by thinning skin (so appears bluer and darker than just a dark circle) and slight bagging of the eye, which creates a slight shadow. Just using a plain old concealer isn't going to properly disguise them and loading more on will make it look even worse. You can google 'tear troughs' images to see what I mean.

You can get them in your thirties and genetic factors (thinner, paler skin) exacerbate it.

I am beginning to get the start of these not badly in all honesty but it really annoyed me as I think I look ok for my
age (39) except for this, which makes me look really knackered.

I bought all the concealers -- even Cle de Peau ($$$$$$), many eye creams (they don't work but do provide a nice surface
to apply stuff) and got more sleep. It did nothing.

The only way to get rid of them is to get restylane fillers or have blepharoplasty. I was starting to consider this as it just bugged the hell out of me and was the thing I'd zero in on if I caught my reflection. I just looked so tired.

Anyway. My makeup artist friend (big, has own makeup brand) helped me out. It really has made a huge difference, so much I
want to share it as you can be like me and spend a fortune and search for hours for a perfect concealer and it won't work and
just make you look too made up (especially in this harsh British daylight) or 160 years old.

You basically need to use two shades to recess and bring out the different areas of the undereye to disguise this trough.

I use a salmon corrector (not concealer). Eve Pearl is great but hard to get (US) but Bobbi Brown corrector is also very good. I apply this on the dark area but if you have any fine lines try not to apply too much to those and really just concentrate on the dark. Tap in.

Then use a very small brush (lip liner is good, I use a very small headed Bobbi Brown concealer brush as I happen to have one) and apply a tiny amount of concealer two shades lighter (I use BB warm ivory) JUST in the shadow the slight bag creates. It helps to look down in a mirror in natural light. Only apply in this line tapping lightly in. You are effectively trying to 'bring out' this area, not the skin around it. Any concealer will do but Bobbi Brown do a good range to pick a good two shades lighter, as do MAC or you could buy a Ben Nye or Kryolan wheel -- they go cheap on eBay.

I use a large EcoTools concealer brush to tap this line in.

I then use Laura Mercier Secret Brightening Powder with this brush just on this line. Apply too much and it makes the under
eye look chalky, and draws attention to any fine lines. Basically I sacrifice setting power with not having too much product
or powder. Any powder will do, I just happen to have this and want to use it up.

Other tips for knackered eyes is to use a lilac wash (really brightens -- Mac Digit is lovely) eyeshadow. I avoid too much sparkle although a slight sheen is fine. And I always wear something on the waterline. Either an Illamasqua nude pencil or a darker LM one. Again, anything will do, the trick is to disguise the red rim.

This takes a light hand, good light and practice but this one trick has single handedly made me look better, less knackered
than any expensive cream or eyewateringly expensive concealer.

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Havingkittens · 08/03/2011 10:08

It was merely a way of pointing out the absurdity of coming on a Style and Beauty board and critisising people for being bothered with such vanity. Your first response made no reference to plastic surgery, just distain for taking time and effort to make yourself look, and therefore feel better.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with learning to love the skin you're in, it's about making the most of the skin you're in and enhancing it, nor is is anything to do with feminism or the whole "why should we make all this effort to look good for men?". It's about how you feel about yourself. There are organisations that do free makeovers and make up lessons for cancer patients and for abused women. There are very good reasons for this. Make up can be so empowering in so many ways. It can instill confidence where it is lacking, it can make you feel better when you see the person in your reflection looking bright and healthy. I know that if I am feeling ill and see myself in the mirror without make up it magnifies how bad I am feeling and the opposite when I have created the illusion of health with a bit of make up.

otchayaniye · 08/03/2011 10:24

I wonder if PlanetEarth would have said 'learn to love the skin you have' to someone posting about acne, or rosacea or another disfiguring skin condition.

Just because this may sometimes (and it's not always, it can simply be genetic) related to age, anyone seeking to disguise it is insecure, anti-feminist, or vain (well, each one of us is vain about something, not just looks).

Would you be so scornful if someone posted about how best to covering a strawberry birthmark with Dermablend?

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TracyK · 08/03/2011 10:44

I think this is what the YSL girl was doing to my face with Touche Eclat. She stroked the TE in the groove along my chin and round the sides of my nostrils. I think she was politely telling me I had dark grooves appearing!!!

otchayaniye · 08/03/2011 10:56

While light reflective pens have their uses (philtrum, edge of lips, round the nose) I don't think they are best for the under eye ares, unless you have the merest of dark circles and just need freshening up. I find they turn chalky, are often too pink and don't have enough pigment. So you reapply and end up looking cakey.

I think creamy correctors and concealers with high pigment and a small brush and a light hand is best for problem under eyes.

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BadPoet · 08/03/2011 10:56

I tried this and it works! Grin

I just gave it a go with the products I have. My much maligned very expensive concealer (By Terry Touche Veloutee) actually works v well when i use it on the shadows created by the bags rather than directly on the dark grooves. On that I used a L'Oreal stick concealer I have which I always thought was a bit orangey for me (orange=peach?). So I definitely need a better corrector for that area but I can see how it works.

I also went with the lilac wash of shadow. Unfortunately the only lilac shadow I have is full of glitter but I am working from home, so that's OK. I'll take a look at MAC digit.

Thanks otchayaniye Smile

TracyK · 08/03/2011 11:02

I have the BB corrector too - so will use it on eyes. I need to get a new brush - the one I have at the mo - I have used on dark eyeshadows - so my eyes would end up worse off!

And keep the TE for - as you say - round lips, nose etc.

chibi · 08/03/2011 11:03

which department stores have a bobbi brown counter? does anyone know? have heard lots of good things about them

otchayaniye · 08/03/2011 11:07

John Lewis does, Selfridges and Harrods also, and the House of Fraser ones too I think.

I don't want to be a salesman for BB, I don't rate all her products (I don't like the foundations, some of her colours are too mudddy) but I think her concealers and correctors are good products. But you can find other ones and you could recreate this effect from Superdrug products. Perhaps the colour match, finish and lasting power might not be as good but I am a fan of cheapo makeup as much as I am of pricey.

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Havingkittens · 08/03/2011 11:38

Different colours work well for different people. Violet can work well on some, where a more pinky or peachy colour can work better on others. It really depends on the underlying colour of your dark circles. For example, I have used peach eyeshadow to good effect in a similar way to Otchayaniye's violet on indian or mixed race clients who often have dark circles around the eye area. (disclaimer - this is fact/professional opinion/something a lot of clients complain to me themselves about NOT* casual racism Wink)

It can be a bit of trial and error, or seeking advice from beauty counters to find what works best for you. But once you have found it, it will be your holy grail make up wise!

I tend to mix Touche Eclat with concealers to combine the light reflectiveness and pigment for maximum effect. This works best for me professionally as I can mix it in with whichever shade I am using at the time. I think products like Touche Eclat are great, especially for the areas that TracyK mentions as it's all about reflecting light cleverly to lift shadows. The areas don't necessarily need concealing. Similarly with the under eye area. If the darkness is caused simply by shadow rather than pigment then there is nothing to actually cover up so I would probably mix a tiny bit of concealer with the highlighter but not as much as I would if there was a pigment issue.

I agree with Otchayaniye that cheaper products can work just as well. The only thing there is that you don't have a professional showing you the right colours for your individual colouring or issue so it may end up being a false economy if you get the wrong colours and end up throwing them away and starting again.

Aside from vanity, I have had corporate professionals asking me for advice in the past (when I worked for MAC) asking for advice on this matter - both male and female. When they are doing a presentation they want to look like they are on top of their game, not looking tired and flat. It makes a massive difference on the confidence of both the speaker and the audience. By the same token, when all the controversy came out about Tony Blair's make up expenditure I was interviewed on the radio and by a newspaper about my opinion on this. It boils down to the same thing. If the prime minister, who works long hours and travels all over the place, shows up on TV looking as washed out as he may be feeling it wouldn't instill much confidence in those seeing him like that. That said, DC doesn't wear anything more than powder.... yet.

BitOfFun · 08/03/2011 11:43

And he doesn't wear enough that either, ol' Shiny Dave, does he?

Havingkittens · 08/03/2011 11:45

Thing is he gets sweaty very quickly and once the camera is on him it's no longer possible to do anything about it.

TracyK · 08/03/2011 11:49

I have to say I do like her luminous moisturising foundation - tho need to top it up mid afternoon with her foundation stick - handy sized!

PlanetEarth · 08/03/2011 12:02

otchayaniye - "acne, or rosacea or another disfiguring skin condition"...

You'll have to try harder than that, as I have a disfiguring skin condition myself. I wouldn't dream of telling anyone else what to do about theirs, but as for mine, I treat it with creams (it is a medical condition after all, and can be itchy and flaky) but I don't hide or disguise it. Smile

Havingkittens · 08/03/2011 12:29

PlanetEarth, you're really missing the point. You can be as self righteous as you like about being "happy with the skin you were given" (apologies if those weren't the exact words you used). The fact is that you seem to have turned up to the wrong party here on the Style and Beauty thread.

barbieisaskinnybitch · 08/03/2011 13:35

Planetearth you've spoilt a really good and useful thread.

Please - move on.

PlanetEarth · 08/03/2011 15:00

Umm, no, I made a simple remark which resulted in a flaming. Yeah, moving on now... Hmm

otchayaniye · 08/03/2011 16:16

If you call that a flaming you do live in a parallel world.

If anyone has been rude, it was you. You were very scornful, saying 'I have too much respect for myself' at the mention of cosmetic procedures or surgery. Fine, if you feel that, but what you said was insulting, implying that anyone who does consider it is emotionally deficient.

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barbieisaskinnybitch · 08/03/2011 16:20

Methinks Planetearth views herself as superior to the rest of us mere humans....

smallwhitecat · 08/03/2011 18:06

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Havingkittens · 08/03/2011 18:33

Laura Mercier secret camouflage is very good. Also they do an eye one with 2 different colours in the compact so you can mix them or use them in the way that otchayaniye describes in this thread.

otchayaniye · 08/03/2011 20:18

Other people sometimes have success with Secret Camouflage but I'm not one, and it's not recommended for use under the eye as it's very chalky, but depending on your skin colour and your skin texture and whether you slake it up with moisturiser it might work.

smallwhitecat I think MAC Select Cover is similar to BB and has a really good range of colours. You could try Kryolan or Ben Nye (ScreenFace do them and they pop up fair cheap on eBay) but the best peachy corrector out there (IMO) is the Eve Pearl one. Have to get online from States, sadly. Maybe QVC do it?

Might not be any product that's causing it. Try a skin test on your inner arm with them to see if you get a reaction. And clean your brushes and wipe the surface with something cleansing in case it's bacteria buildup?

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otchayaniye · 08/03/2011 20:20

One thing, I don't recommend the LM corrector (there are a couple of dark peach/purple ones). I love LM but I think she's gone wrong here.

Her creamy secret concealer as just a concealer is good.

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Maiidamess · 08/03/2011 20:27

I use benefit boing in shade 1 adn 2

Havingkittens · 08/03/2011 23:37

I've just been having a watch of GossMakeUpArtist on Youtube. I don't mean to be rude, but eeek! Very dated and draggy looking make up, and really scrappily applied liner and mascara Shock. Not someone I would choose as a guru at all. There are much better artists out there doing tutorials.

otchayaniye · 09/03/2011 07:32

I agree, I don't like his eyeshadow application, although he makes a good point about winged eyeliner (a bugbear of mine) and he talks sense about foundation and skincare and dupes.

I never called him a guru (my friend, on the other hand, is a guru, has a book by Rankin out)!

I linked to his site because that video and his comments demonstrate what I was talking about.

I've never seen this particular technique shown anywhere.

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