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Holiday From Hell Or Is It Just Me Over-reacting Once Again?

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SadSam · 08/08/2005 11:04

Hi folks

I have just got back from what should have been a great holiday with DP, SS and SD. It was an absolute nightmare. Apart from the fact that the caravan was minging (and I mean minging, not worth even a quarter of the £600 we paid for it!) the kids were absolute horrors for what seemed like an awful lot of the time! Now bad behaviour I can accept occasionally, but when they are rude, disobedient and nasty, that I cannot tolerate! If I tried to tell them off (and I didnt very often as I dont believe it is my place to) then I got called "stupid fat cow" or similar, I had middle fingers stuck up at me and got hit or punched! SS got told off by staff several times, succeeded in tearing down some curtains in the entertainment lounge (despite being told several times by DP to stop), got caught jumping up and down on an asbestos roof and had to be told to stop by staff, was noisy and rude to staff in a restaurant embarrassing me imensely, kept hitting his little sister (6) for no reason and making her cry and miserable, answering back and sulking when he didnt get his own way and being rude to me and DP etc. etc. Now I know some people will be thinking well thats kids for you, but my main grouse is with DP as although he will initially tell him to stop, he is not hard enough and lets them get away with murder. He refuses to punish the children (dont get me wrong I dont believe in belting a child, but a quick smack on the bum or the back of the legs never did me any harm)! He lets them talk to me like crap.............. for example "get me a drink......... NOW" when I ask for a please they refuse and when I say its rude to speak like that I get a "so, I dont care"! DP will stick to his guns for a while and say "if you dont say please you wont get" and eventually they give in and say please. Then 10 mins later they go to DP and say "I want.........." with no please, and he gives them what they want?????? Is it me or is that mixed messages???? They have no respect for me or other people or peoples personal possessions. When they go to their grandparents (DP's parents) they jump on their (almost brand new) furniture (with their shoes on) and DP doesnt say anything. It is left to me to tell them to take their shoes off and stop jumping around and once again I am made to look like the evil stepmum! It is so unfair. I am made to look really bad as I am the only one who is prepared to discipline them at times making DP look good and me look bad. I have bit my lip so many times, but sometimes I just have to say something when they are being out of control and rude! I am by no means strict but if I was a mum then I do believe in being firm and teaching children to respect both people and possessions! This whole affair has now caused a huge rift with me and DP as he cant see that his children are "that" bad and has escalated into me feeling very bitter towards him and the children. It has dug up old feeling and wounds regarding us not having a child of our own. The holiday for me was hard enough as it is in as much as I had to spend a week with someone elses children, on a campsite surrounded by hundreds of other children with their mummys and daddys! I can only dream of having a holiday like that with a child of my own as there never seems to be a "right time" to have one of our own at the moment. If its not because the "kids are too young", then its because "the ex would turn kids against DP", or "we cant afford a kid of our own whilst we are paying CSA for his 3", or the house isnt big enough etc etc etc. So just when is the right time? Aaaaaaaaarghhhhhh I hate this sooooo much! My back is in a corner and I feel like a caged animal. I wouldnt even mind so much not having a child of my own if his kids would treat me with some respect and kindness once in a while, but I dont even get that. The more they treat me as they do, the more I dont want anything to do with them............... nasty evil stepmum!!!

Sorry for the long rant, but I really had to get this off my chest!

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otto · 08/08/2005 11:47

You poor thing. That really is the holiday from hell. I've had some difficult holidays with my sd, but she has never been that bad - it's usually sulking and moodiness - and dp does take her in hand. Your step kids should not behave in that way and your dp should do something about it. Have you talked to him about how they behave and what his expectations are? I can't believe that he finds that sort of behaviour acceptable, so it sounds as if he doesn't really know how to deal with it effectively. Could he talk to BM about it? What are relations like with her? Even though relations between my dp and his ex can be tricky, they do disucss sd's behaviour and ways of dealing with her when she's going through a 'phase'. It does make a big difference if they can present a united front. As for having a child of your own, that's a different issue, but I can see why this sort of situation makes your own longing for a child harder to deal with and you really do have my sypathies.

SadSam · 08/08/2005 12:09

Thank you so much for your reply Otto. I have tried on numerous occasions (especially last week) to discuss this with DP but he just says that they are "not that bad". I dont think he finds it acceptable, but just wont discipline them properly as he is scared of losing them as he only sees them once a month. BM is already trying to turn the kids against him so he feels he is walking on shaky ground and wants the kids to love him and enjoy their stay with us!

As for discussing it with BM, DP and BM currently no longer speak since she got solicitors involved with the contact arrangements a few months ago. We requested that everything is now dealt with through her solicitor as BM is totally incapable of being civil with DP so it is better that way and has stopped the abusive phonecalls we used to get from her at all hours.

When I got upset last week and said that he has no idea how hard it is for me to deal with other peoples kids at the best of times when I have none of my own, he said that "Your not the only one in this kind of situation you know, and other people manage"!. This really hurt me as I dont think there are lots of people in this same situation. Most stepmums of my age (34) either have kids of their own already from a previous relationship or have kid(s) with their new partner. On top of that I have to deal with unruly children that live 200 miles away and have a psychotic mother that has dragged us through the mill and back over the last few months (we have been together 3 years but they have been seperated for 6 years!)!

I just feel so sad, because I am a loving, caring person and have tried to love the children and treat them as my own, but their behavious only makes me resent them and resent my partner for not allowing me to feel the love I so lack!

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colditz · 08/08/2005 12:13

He's got kids already, he doesn't feel the same urge to have one that you do, and he is not allowing for the fact that although he may have children, you do not!

It's your turn to be happy. Don't let him use you as free childcare, cos it sounds like that is what he's doing.

Please don't leave it too late. Looking after someone elses child is nothing like having your own, and you don't realise that until you have one.

SadSam · 08/08/2005 12:23

Thanks Colditz! I have tried to talking to him and have said that I want a baby so badly, but all he says is "we will one day". He is 40 in a few months and I will be 35! When is one day? he cant answer me that! With the way it is going he will be a grandad before he is a dad again (his eldest is nearly 17)! God I dont know how much more of this I can take........ I am so tempted just to dump the man I adore to start a new life of my own and have my own family, but how can I choose between the man I love and a baby?

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NotActuallyAMum · 08/08/2005 12:24

SadSam, your post annoyed me so much that I have actully joined Mumsnet so that I can give you a reply!

You should absolutely not have to put up with this and I can't believe your DP expects you to. I agree with you that it shouldn't be up to you to discipline the children but having said that, in your position I would have to because there's no way I would be able to say nothing. Calling you names, sticking their middle fingers up at you, hitting and punching you and saying things like "get me a drink - now" are all completely unacceptable and I would hope that no-one would think "that's kids for you" at behaviour like this.

As for your baby situation - I can totally sympathise with you on this. I don't have any either and would love to have a child with DP but he can't have any more so no advice I'm afraid but I do realise how much it gets to you.

My DP has a 12 year old daughter and if either or both of them treated me like yours are treating you, I would leave him!

Nightynight · 08/08/2005 12:33

sadsam, sorry to hear about your holiday. It does sound terrible.
I dont know if you have posted about wanting a baby before, but Im shocked. Sorry to say this about the man you love, but that's a really selfish attitude to take!
You are doing your best with his children, and he doesn't want to have a baby with you???
You are quite right about the age factor too. If it was me, I must admit Id either dump him and find a guy who wants a baby, or Id get pregnant and present him with a fait accompli!!

Squirrel3 · 08/08/2005 12:46

Sadsam, sorry your holiday was so stressful, (why is it we always seem to go through 'a rough patch at the same time?) it sounds like a bit of a nightmare.

Your DP neds to start disciplining those children NOW, it must have been so embarrasing, my Stepchildrens behaviour embarrasses me sometimes, you can't go shopping with them, its just too humiliating and the worse thing is that when other people see that behaviour and you are with them they assume that the kids are yours and you can just see them thinking "What a lousy Mother, why dosen't she do something?!"

I think you should also tell dp that he agrees to start trying for a baby now or you will find someone else who is willing to have a child with you! Sorry if thats harsh but you I've told you before you will make a great Mum! Don't leave it any longer.

ninah · 08/08/2005 13:16

sorry about this SadSam it sounds intolerable. There is NO way you should be treated this way by s-children and dp should sort it out. My dp is a bit more lax with discipline on our sson cos he doesn't see him every day but this is quite beyond the limits. Can you take some time away, go somewhere by yourself and think (and let him think?)

ninah · 08/08/2005 13:17

PS in answer to the question, it is DEFINITELY not you over-reacting!

SadSam · 08/08/2005 13:23

Thank you all so much for your replies! Your kind words warm me so much!

I still dont know what to do for the best, ditch the man I love and hope that I find someone else in enough time to fall in love, get settled and have a child, or just put up with it until he is ready!

I know I wouldnt feel so bad or so bitter if his kids were better, but unfortunately there is nothing I can do about that, it is beyond my control!

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ninah · 08/08/2005 13:26

so, can you go away for a bit on your own?
He needs to see that his children are well behaved. I agree it's difficult as a step mum to always be the one disciplining. It needs to come from him. You've tried talking in the past but it seems everything just carries on on this treadmill. It's tiring, there's no time to take stock. I just think if you could take yourself out of the situation for a bit things might seem clearer. Best of all, plan a weekend away when he has the children so he has to deal with them and their behaviour.

SadSam · 08/08/2005 13:41

Thank Ninah. We are supposed to be having the kids again next week for 7 days (he has them for 2 seperate weeks in the summer holidays) but I dont think I can face it. I have asked him if he can have them at his parents house (200 miles away) instead of bringing them here as I dont think I can handle it again, especially so soon, but he just moaned and said he would prefer to bring them here for the week as his parents house isnt that big. I wish I could go away but I dont have much holiday left and even if I wanted to I cant go away next week due to work commitments! My family live in Wales over 160 miles away too so its not like I can just pop there for a while! Thats another reason why I feel so alone, im isolated from my family and see more of his than my own!

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hatstand · 08/08/2005 13:50

Hi Sadsam - your holiday sounds terrible. No child should get away with calling anyone rude names without sanction. And you are right that it should not be you that disciplines them. Having said that though, one question to ask yourself - did the children actually want to come on the holiday? Did anyone actually ask them? Did you want to go on the holiday? (did anyone actually ask you?) Is it possible (I don;t know the whole story, I may be wrong) that the holiday was mostly for your dp's benefit, and is it possible that he had totally unrealistic expectations that you could all play happy families together? Yes it would be nice, but very often it's just not going to be like that - especially if what the children want is not taken into account. Perhaps - if they don;t see much of your dp they would have liked a week of having him to themselves. Perhaps they behaved so appallingly because they resented sharing dp with you. I'm not condoning it but suggesting it might help the situation if you think about the underlying reasons. (and from what you say about bm she may have turned them against you). So sorry you are having to put up with this

Blu · 08/08/2005 13:50

SS, what a horrible situation you are in.

I was a part-time step-mum for about 5 years, and never had to put up with anythung like this - i loved SD to bits, and had a wonderul time with her, and miss her even though she has grown up and i have a DS of my own - so I know it IS possible to really love SC.

Lots of different issues.

Your DP is reacting in fear over his children's relationship, but not paying any attention to the fragility of your relationship. He really needs to understand that his relationship with his kkids would be much STRONGER if he was consistent, firm and they knew their boundaries.

Because of his own insecurities in parenting them, he is not enabling you to have a relationship with them.

And he is not respecting any contribution you might have as a SM.

He certainly is not respecting any of your needs.

I think you need to have a very clear discussion with him about all this.

And tbh, i would question his ability to make a definite decision that he wants children with you until he has this sorted - and he isn't being pro-active in sorting it, is he? Are you sure he isn't just stringing you along over more kids?

If you do go away or persuade him to take the kids elsewhere, don't do it as a flouncy thing - tell him you are doing it so that he can establish a more consistent relationship with his kids in an atmosphere where they don't feel 'competetive' with you, to give him quality time with his kids, but that at the end of it, you expect him to make some firm agreemenst with you about how you handle the kids TOGETHER. Without that he cannot possibly expect you to be able to have a sensible relationship with them.

Good luck.

SadSam · 08/08/2005 14:04

Thank you Hatstand and Blu for your messages. Hatstand, I do think the kids wanted to come as leading up to it they were really excited about it. I never really get asked although I was the one who booked and arranged it all, I just go along with it as its expected of me. Im sure BM has turned the kids agains both me and DP as they are not how they used to be, they seem angry all the time!

Blu, I have had so many discussions with him about this and about how I feel, I dont think he understands although he says he does, and I think he thinks im just neurotic and over emotional! When I try and discuss how to handle the kids we just end up getting in an argument as I get frustrated because he can't see there is a problem! He has a fantastic way of just sweeping things under the carpet and hoping they will go away. We have an argument, I tell him exactly how I feel, he goes all quiet, I get upset, we go to sleep and the next day it is like nothing has happened, hes forgotten all about it! I don't know what else I can do!

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GirlySquare · 08/08/2005 23:07

Hi SS, sorry if I'm blunt but you're not overreacting, you're being very patient and understanding.

dp should stop avoiding his responsibilities and make some tough decisions. Maybe ss was attention seeking, it sounds like he wants his dad to show he cares by giving him some boundaries.

My dp and I had problems disciplining dsd until we sat down and talked it through. dp is responsible for discipline, if I step in then dsd knows she has stepped over the line.

I totally agree with Blu, you must put yourself first and get this sorted out. Good luck!

Caligula · 08/08/2005 23:22

Can only second what Blu has said, and also must add, do you really want to have children with someone who is so bad at parenting? These are his children and he's afraid of parenting them properly in case he loses them, but he doesn't realise that he's much more likely to lose them if he doesn't set them proper boundaries. They'll just see him as weak and ineffectual and won't respect him for it.

And there's no way you can do any effective parenting if he abdicates the job and leaves it up to you. As a step-parent, your authority comes from him, and if he doesn't back you, you've got no authority.

Easy for me to say, but I'd seriously think about leaving him or giving him an ultimatum. He is playing fast and loose with your fertility - at 35, you just don't have time to hang around waiting for him to be ready for you to have a baby. Whereas at 60, he'll still be able to have another one, if he wants. He knows you want a baby, he knows how old you are and he knows the basic facts of menstruation and menopause. He just has no right to keep you hanging on like this.

SadSam · 09/08/2005 11:47

Thank you Girlysquare and Caligula. I really am not sure what I am going to do next. I feel really low and stuck in a rut. I do love him with all my heart, but I do feel as you say that he is being selfish and playing with my emotions. I know he loves me and would do anything for me and if I got pregnant tomorrow I know that he would stick by me and we would manage somehow. When it comes to his kids, I feel like I am banging my head against a brick wall, we will have to agree to disagree as he thinks I am over-reacting with regards to how they behave. Perhaps I am, but if I am it is only because I am feeling resentment now towards him and the kids because of the lack of respect I receive from them and because of the fact that if it wasnt for them I would be able to have a baby of my own. I know that sounds nasty, but as much as I love them, I cant help resenting the kids and Rich for what I have to put up with and the way Im made feel!

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NotActuallyAMum · 09/08/2005 13:01

SadSam, you are not over-reacting to their behaviour at all - don't be so hard on yourself! Their behaviour is completely unacceptable whichever way you look at it. Being a step-parent is hard enough - you should not have to put up with this. And it doesn't sound nasty either that you say you would be able to have a child of your own if it wasn't for his kids. You should be able to have a child of your own regardless and I think your DP is very selfish to take the attitude that he does. I have to say, and I hope this doesn't offend you, I have been reading some of your other threads and I get the impression that he has no intention of having any more children - his excuses are just not good enough.

You may have to face the choice of staying with him and remaining childless or finding someone who you can have a child with. I had to make the choice myself a few months ago and I chose to stay with DP but if dsd spoke to/treated me like yours do and he refused to do anything about it I really think I would have left him.

If you do have to make the choice it will take a lot of soul-searching (it certainly did for me) and it's not something you can do overnight but believe me once you have got it clear in your head that you're doing the right thing - which at the moment I don't think you have - I'm sure things will be easier for you whichever route you decide to take and then you can concentrate on making your life the happy one that you deserve

Monkeysmom · 09/08/2005 16:42

SadSam, I am also a step mum with a Dsd and find it very hard. I do really symphatise with you .
When I met my DH, children were not on my mind, however, I always new that one day I will want my own child and told so to DH.
When I was exactly 35, I announced that I want to start trying for a baby. Luckily, my husband remembered my wish and agreed. 1 yr later my DS was born.
If my DH would have said no, I would have left him. I would have never been sure whether it was the right thing to do.
However, after having my DS, now I know, that it would have definitely been the right choice.

valleygirl · 09/08/2005 16:51

Ah, shit holidays with stepkids - takes me back to holiday from hell last year. If there had been anyway I could have got on a plane and left my dp and his 2 kids behind last year I would have done so in a blink of an eye. Anyway, throughout the nightmare of their constant fighting, demands for any thng and everythin they saw and wanted and the attitude problem of the eldest, the one consolation was that my dp and I were united in the way we dealt with disciplining them both.
I don't understand step parents who say that they don't see it as their job to discipline the step kids. If these kids are in living in your house, even if it's just at weekends, then you are emotionally responsble for them. And along with giving them lots of nice treats, feeding them, bathing them, clothing them, reading them bedtime stories, etc, etc, comes the less pleasant responsibility of setting them straight when they misbehave. I can't see how they can have respect for you when you tell them one thing and your dp tells them another?
I would say that you and he should sit down and disuss this immediately, because it's just not fair on you to be seen as the one who shouts, tells them off etc, etc, ie the bitch step-mum, and then their dad just doesn't back you up.
Step parenting is such a lot of bloody hard work, so ofte a tankless task without the deep emotional love for the kids that the bloodt parent feels. So for your dp to then deny you the right to have a child of your own is an added insult, which must be so painful for you.
You've got some serious talking to do with your man (after all the kids are only reacting in a way that their dad allows them to), and that's before you try and tackle the minefield which is dealing with a spiteful and vengeful ex.
Heartfelt sympathies SadSam
vg xx

cutekids · 09/08/2005 16:56

think your partner is being very, very selfish.he just seems to be using you as cheap child-care and isn't giving any consideration to your feelings. you've got to talk to him.he's just not being fair!

tarantula · 10/08/2005 09:33

Takes me back a few years too. Had a bit of a holiday from hell with dss and vowed never to go on one like that again. Dss had a major stop every time we left the campsite as he wanted to stay there ALL the time by the pool. Dp hated the campsite so major ructions all round with me in the middle telling them both to calm down. BM said I should have gone to the pub and left the pair of them to it .

Can I just say tho that I agree that when the kids are at your house that you are entitled to disipline them and you have every right to expect them to behave in a reasonable fashion. I give out to dss when its necessary and he knows that I expect a certain standard of behaviour. Your dp needs to see that by letting his kids get away with stuff he isnt actually doing them any favours at all as it is sendig out mixed messages.

Its very difficult when you dp doesnt back you up tho. I get this with dp sometimes but generally over smaller things like tidying up or helping round the house. Dp tends to just get on and do it whereas I am happy for it to take a bit longer and to teach dss how to do it well.

You see I am the evil stepmum arent I but that doesnt stop dss liking me and me loving him. he just puts up with the nagging I do in return for all the good stuff too (cos he knows Im the one who books the holidays and organises the picnics etc)

SadSam · 10/08/2005 10:51

Thank you all for your replies. I have taken all your comments on board and although I am relieved to know that perhaps it isn't all my fault and that Im not being unreasonable or over-reacting, I still don't know what to do for the best. I have tried to talk to DP about it so many times, but I just end up getting angry or upset and he goes all quiet (typical guy, sweeps everything under the carpet)next day acts like nothing has happened. I know he would do anything for me, and dont get me wrong, like I have said before, if I put my foot down and say I am having a baby whether he likes it or not, then it will happen and he will stand by me and not argue against it and I know we will manage. However, part of it is me feeling that there are so many obstacles in the way. If SS starts getting jelouse and stops wanting to see him (which believe me I know he will because BM has said that she will turn the kids against him if he has another child, she is already doing it now since we got engaged) then I wont be able to forgive myself. I dont want DP to gain a child and lose the ones he already has! SS already gets unbelievably jelouse of his little sister and she lives with him. He punches her and tries to take over when she is doing something, he takes things off of her that she is given to do and makes her cry all the time. The money is another issue as we pay so much in CSA. I know that our CSA will go down if we have a child of our own, but at the moment it is probably lower than it should be as they dont know about me (yep amazing BM hasnt actually cottoned onto telling them...... yet) and are not taking my salary into account. Even though we have a joint mortgage, when he has sent mortgage details to the CSA we have managed to get them to take my name off of it! So that may rock the boat! I guess that is why I am getting so irritable with his kids, I am full of so much resentment to both the kids and DP for the situations (albeit not deliberate) that they are putting me in. Afterall, if it wasnt for his kids then we would have kids of our own, be married (his ex will refuse to let his kids come to our wedding), not have stepkids that are rude to me and disrespect me, be much better off financially, have no CSA to deal with, have no Solicitors fees to be paying to keep psychotic ex off our backs and to arrange suitable visitation rights etc. etc. I have so much hurt inside me at the moment that I am finding it very hard to know how to manage with it all. Perhaps if once in a while I had a nice cuddle from the kids or they said thank you for something I did for them (and meant it without being prompted by DP), treated my nicely with respect, or even just said goodnight to me before they went to bed (last time I said goodnight to SD she wouldnt answer and when she was told to by DP she just started crying and saying no). If I had all that from my stepchildren then my need for a child of my own probably wouldnt be anywhere near as great and I wouldnt be in such a dilemma!

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catsmother · 10/08/2005 16:25

Hi Sam, have come late to this message because I am currently "enjoying" 2 weeks of my skid's company and this is the 1st opportunity I've had to sit down and contribute ! (DP has taken them out for 4 hours - peace & quiet at last thank God).

I really do sympathise with you - as ever - I think there are many of us step-mums who often feel caught in what feels like an impossible position. As adults, we know that the children's needs should come 1st, but as feeling human beings, we would also like to have the security of knowing, in our partner's eyes, that just very occasionally, we come into the family equation too - and not in position 99 or whatever. Don't know about you, but I have sometimes felt that the "children coming 1st" argument is used a little too readily - and unnecessarily - just so that peace is kept ... either with the children themselves (who aren't averse to making threats about not coming any more when they get told off etc.) or with BM, who siezes any opportunity, however minor, to have a go and/or cause ructions. It's times like those, when you feel that the "children being put 1st" is unnecessary, or giving in to emotional blackmail, that you can feel at the bottom of the pile .... even more so, if you object, and are then made to feel like a miserable old witch because you're being "horrid" to the children or "selfish".

I am reasonably lucky in that DP & me generally have the same expectations re: standards of behaviour, and most of the time, he will reprimand at the same time I would have done. However, it's very frustrating when little or no notice is taken of such tellings off, due to the fact that the skids seem to live by a completely different set of rules at home. DP has emphasised, in reply to protests, that these are the rules in this house, and that's that .... but logically, if children have one set of standards 90% of the time, they're not going to be swayed that easily. There have also been a number of occasions where DP has held back on punishing them, because he is very scared that this will be used as a reason for them to stop visiting. (BM interrogates them on return, and we usually get very one-sided "feedback" about the most minor of incidents). Personally, I get very very cross at this, because to my mind, it gives out a message to the kids that it's okay to behave badly as nothing will ever really come of it ... just because they threaten not to come, you can't let them off the hook, or else they will see how much further they can push it. This fear may well be one reason why your DP also holds back and why he insists they're "not that bad" - in order to absolve himself from telling them off ??

I also know that when "our" BM is going through a period of behaving particularly badly (i.e. even worse than usual), DP gets very jittery about discipling the skids - for the reasons I've already stated. BM happily winds them up, pointing out how awful Daddy was to tell them off - irrespective of the surrounding circumstances, so much so that when there has been a "telling off" - even a minor one, BM triumphantly announces that one or other skid won't be coming next time as they "don't like being told off" !

This all effectively boils down to emotional blackmail of course - and to my mind, even with the "risks" involved, you can't ignore bad behaviour. Apart from the well-being of everyone in the household, failing to tell the kids off does them no favours at all. Sam, you say you've tried to talk about this lots of times ..... do you talk, or does it always end up as a row ? Think what you need to do, if you haven't already, is sit down with DP and for a start, both of you agree what is and isn't acceptable behaviour from the skids - what you both expect from them, what you both find acceptable / unacceptable. On minor issues that you disagree on, you may find you (both) have to compromise, but basically, what you're aiming at is a list of house "rules". This may sound draconian, but it's imperative that you are both singing from the same hymn sheet. You also need to agree what you think is appropriate punishment for any given misdemeanour - earlier bedtimes, confiscation of favourite toy, time-out for xx mins and so on. If you can sort this out upfront - when and if something happens, at least you won't be seething with resentment at what you feel is DP's disinterest.

Of course - this exercise may also throw up differences of opinion re: child-rearing that are too wide to bridge. If that's the case, you really do need to start thinking of yourself and ask if this is the right man with whom to aspire to have children anyway - hard as that will be.

When I first met DP, he too was reluctant to consider another child .... and guess what, he came out with many of the reasons yours has. Top of the list of course, was the "effect upon the children". I always had my suspicions, but I thought it was more like he was worried about BM's reaction, than the kids. as time went on in our relationship, and BM showed her true colours more and more, DP began to come round to the idea. We'd decided we'd like to try for a child but didn't know exactly when (I was 37+ at this time) .... however, I got pregnant accidentally (we'd been using the rythmn method, and I concieved literally a couple of days after my period had ended, so watch out) .... and our daughter was born when I was 38. The skids appeared to be delighted - and still are. BM has been a bitch about it - my pregnancy was unbelievably stressful thanks to that ..... and my MIL told me that previously, BM had apparently told DP he'd be "sorry" if he ever had children with anyone else when they split up (even though she was planning more kids herself with her married lover!). I think that probably had something to do with DP's initial reluctance - he even talks now of a brother or sister for DD !

Sorry - this is turning into rather a long reply ...... and sorry it's a bit disjointed. Re: the CSA, is your DP under the "old" system ? I know that with "new" cases (see CSA website for definition) the income of the absent parent's new partner is not counted - mind you, neither is any allowance made whatsoever for the mortgage payments of the absent parent, so it could well be swings and roundabouts.

Sam ... I know it's gonna sound harsh, but you have to try and be honest with yourself. If DP & skids aren't going to change, or at least if DP isn't going to be more considerate/supportive of your place within his family, you might have to cut loose. At 35 you are not too young to have children, and there is still time to meet someone else. I know that's easy to say, and you might not meet someone, but I'd rather be on my own and childless, than with someone (and horrible skids) and childless .... I can imagine that you might otherwise end up very bitter and resentful.

As a post-script, and a bit of a whinge .... like I said my skids are here for 2 weeks. I've been dreading it, even though DP sounds much better at discipline than yours, and all the reasons I've been dreading it have come to fruition ...... bickering, non-stop noise, whinging about any walk of more than 100 yards, whinging about everything I cook from at least one (even though I give them stuff they've eaten loads before), constant strops, stomping up the stairs, few pleases & thankyous - especially to me, a bathroom like a wet bombsite that muggins here clears up (including the loo), fault finding with each day's activities etc. Like I said, DP does tell them off, but it feels like I'm living in the middle of a constant argument .... why is so much telling off required in the 1st place ?! We can't afford to go away this year, so I'm spending most of the day in the bloody kitchen - and whilst DP gets 2 weeks off work, and to see his kids, I don't get any "time-off" at all & in fact have to work harder than usual. We've gone out every day - to do stuff geared for the skids (in particular) .... so it can't be boredom. I must admit I'm feeling very resentful this week, as there hasn't been any acknowledgement of the extra work I'm doing - it's kinda expected .... yet in contrast, when we went away last year, DP's time off work afforded him exactly the same benefits as he's enjoying now .... however, I could also relax a bit, as we were eating out all the time, and it wasn't my furniture the kids were jumping on (though they still got told off about it of course). Oh - and don't suggest DP should cook, for one he can't (as opposed to won't) and for two, I'd then have to look after the skids, who take no notice of me if I tell them off, and, of course, I am still walking on eggshells after the recent ruptions there's been (if you remember my previous posts).

I am counting down the days ......

Sam, sorry again for going off on one about my own troubles then. I know you might think, what does she know, she's got a baby, but though it sounds awful, I can honestly say that if I'd have known then what I know now about how appallingly spiteful and intrusive BM would be about so much of our life (and influencing skids, telling them lies, encouraging them to lie etc.), I would have walked away from DP before I got pregnant. I have told him this, so am not being out of turn. What I haven't told him, and I know this sounds dreadful, is that sometimes I think if I won the lottery, I'd still walk - even though I love him - it's so very very hard to live a life when his past keeps intruding so malevolently (I don't mean the skids, 'cos if BM were normal & fair, the skids probably wouldn't be problematic either). Please think very hard about whether you can stay in a relationship like this .... I just fear you will end up hating your DP for denying you what you want. Maybe it's ultimatum time .... would you really be more miserable without him ? Take care ....

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