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DP's ex wants DD to live with her & DD says she wants to leave - DP distraught

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mistressmiggins · 07/07/2008 09:18

DP has custody of DD (11)
exW left the country 3 yrs ago and left DD with her dad.
exW came back pretty quickly but since then has not wanted DD

since Ive known him (2yrs) his ex has had 7 boyfriends, 3 houses (renting) and only has DD every other weekend.

now since splitting from latest BF, she has suddenly decided she wants DD to live with her. She lets DD stay up late at weekends, buys her anything she wants & they stay in watching DVDs. She has never paid a penny towards her upkeep which DP is fine with.

He rang me last night & is distraught. He is concerned that his DD will be home alone after school til his exW gets in and DD will have to move schools AGAIN. He doesnt want to say no for fear of alienating his DD & exW.

Any ideas or should he just accept she wants to move & be there if it doesnt work out?
Seems so unfair cos he is a brilliant dad and we were thinking of moving in together in next 6 mths with his DD obviously moving in too. She even has her own room at my house.

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WideWebWitch · 13/10/2008 20:10

Good posts from Freckle I think.

yerblurt · 13/10/2008 21:03

Firstly I think your partner needs to grow some balls. I'm being totally honest here with experience from going through the family court system when my ex tried to apply for sole res of my daughter when there was a shared care arrangement in place. She spent thousands on legal fees and in the end a shared residence order was made after a good cafcass report which recognised the strength of relationship between daughter and her dad.

Your partner should sack his solicitor immediately, in fact I wouldn't recommend using solicitors as they are by and large a bunch of useless idiots who are only interested in lining their own pockets and you will not receive a good service. As you are not eligible for legal aid you will end up thousands out of pocket. Self-represent yourself (as I did).

Join Families Need Fathers, a national support organisation who will help you out practically and emotionally. There will be a wealth of experience and advice to tap into.

The situation seems to be that daughter's mum has flitted in and out of child's life and I wonder why she is back now (there is also a financial element I suspect, she is probably after the tax credits etc). Mum has not fulfilled the parenting role that the child deserves, she has chosen to be absent (indeed, she is the absent parent) by living overseas and has placed her own selfish needs before the child (witness the summer hol contact). Now she has appeared back on the scene and is demanding SOLE RESIDENCY

... let's just reverse the sexes for one minute here - how would this be viewed, not very favourably I would imagine.

the bottom line is;

  • dad has and still is the primary carer (this is recognised by him being in receipt of the child benefit too. Btw has dad considered making an application to the CSA for child maintenance as mum is the absent parent???)
  • dad has provided stability and security for the child's life, even when mum has decided to dump the child. Dad has been there to pick up the pieces.
  • dad is not opposed to contact between child and mum , on the contrary, it should be encouraged as a child does need the input of both parents. You have grave concerns about the possibility (based on mum's consistent past behaviour) that mum will do a midnight flit.

so I would under these circumstances completely reject mums wish for sole residency. Just because she has sent a solicitors letter (which is meaningless and has as much legal weight as a rat dropping) doesn't mean anything. She is on legal aid, a solicitor will just pass on their clients wishes.

As the ex is on legal aid she will have to request mediation. Personally, I would go along with this - not only will it show willing, it will look a bit bad on yourselves when it undoubtably goes through the court system.

Mediation isn't legally binding and it is voluntary, if you do not agree to the ex's proposals then you are under no obligation to agree. In fact it probably would be a good opportunity to hear the ex out, put your concerns across and try to find some common ground to move forward to a mutually agreeable parenting solution.

When/if it goes through the court system you will find it very adversarial and all sorts of tricks coming out of the woodwork.

My personal feeling is that you should come to an agreement on the parenting and this can be in the form of a Shared Residence Order (lets face it, as a dad you will not be getting sole res, mum has be shown to be a drug-abusing prostitute for you to get sole res), but the division of the parenting time should be something like alternate weekends the child staying with mum (say fri, sat, return to you sunday eve) and a midweek tea-time contact for a few hours before returning to dad. You can agree on holiday,birthday, xmas+new year arrangements too.

Then if mum does a moonlight flit you would bang it straight back into court and ask for a variation of the shared res order to a sole res order for dad.

nooka · 13/10/2008 21:42

I think your DP has to be firm with his dd, but also give her lots and lots of support. Changing schools is very difficult, and moving in with another family is bound to be stressful (I am sure it is stressful all round, but this thread is about her). The mum adding in another idea about where to live is an added distraction, and has probably made your already very unsettled DSD even more unsettled. That she is withdrawing is probably not very surprising.

I don't think she should be allowed to make the decision though. She is too young, and it is not fair on her to be put into such a difficult position. I think your DP should have the current situation formalised, and say to his daughter that he would not even consider her moving to her mums unless the mum has her life together - home of her own, childcare sorted etc. Going from every other weekend to all the time is a huge jump.

In the meantime has your DSD anyone she can talk to who is neutral to the situation? It must be very difficult for her at the moment, and she may b=feel very isolated.

Freckle · 13/10/2008 22:01

Can mum afford a rented place of her own, as opposed to a rented room? Or is she assuming that, if she has dd with her, she will get maintenance, child tax credit and child benefit to boost her income enabling her to rent a place - may even qualify for housing allowance too?

Are the mum and dad divorced yet? If so, is there a court order already in place regarding residency?

mistressmiggins · 13/10/2008 22:04

DP's solicitor has told him in no uncertain terms that he does not have to worry. No court will make him give up residency. Our solicitor is a family solicitor and is very clued up. She certainly isnt suggesting we give up - in fact the opposite.

We are trying to do what is right for DSD but to be honest having posted here today & read all your responses, we have decided to let ex do all the running and prove herself. I agree with nooka that it has been unsettling & that her mum is probably confusing the situation.

We have had a good night with DSD tonight and she seemed happier than recently. DP has spent quality time alone with her & they seemed to have fun.

I have said to DP numerous times that if he were the mother, we wouldnt even be considering any of this.

As for sole custody, DP has never asked for this - in fact he actively encourages ex to have DSD during the week but the last 2 weeks she has cancelled

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Freckle · 13/10/2008 22:14

Do keep a detailed record of all arranged contact and what happens, when she has her, when she cancels, how long she has her for, etc. Any reasons she gives for cancelling, etc. This can all be useful if necessary.

CarGirl · 13/10/2008 22:30

Perhaps the fall back answer to DSD for now is "when your Mum has somewhere for you to live and works suitable hours then of course we would seriously consider it" It is then putting the onus back on her Mum to provide the means and it is no longer about you stopping it - does that make sense?

Surfermum · 14/10/2008 18:21

I would really question whether her mum actually does want her to live with her. She doesn't seem that keen on regular or extra contact, and she doesn't seem to have leapt for joy that you said "yes, if you can do xyz" and rushed round trying to prove that she can do all those things. I just wonder if it's just a reaction to your dp and dsd moving in with you?

And I wonder whether you would be setting your dsd up for a huge let down by her mum, if things don't work out by moving in with her, and that wouldn't be good for her.

I would keep a note of everything, the extra dates offered, the times she hasn't bothered to see your dsd, letters sent, etc etc. You might find them helpful if it does come to fighting through the Courts.

And as for your dsd being left to decide for herself, I know when we went through this with dsd (she claimed she wanted to come and live with us) I don't think for one minute that she actually wanted to be allowed to make that decision, and she was very relieved when the adults involved got together with her and made the decision for her. But we were able to do that, it's so much harder for you because you're not able to sit down with her mum and thrash things out.

, you're doing brilliantly as per usual.

mistressmiggins · 15/10/2008 11:42

DSD is still telling her friends she wants to move - apparantely she hates me and I am a b!tch
she said this on MSN to her friends and left herself logged on
DP says she is just showing off to her friends and that kids say that to their parents when things dont go their way

its so hard to want to look after someone when you think they hate you - I know that sounds childish

anyway I have suggested that DP takes DSD out for tea tonight not for a chat - just for 1-1 time without me or my 2 kids. She did say on MSN that her dad was annoying her & then mentioned my 2 so I think she is feeling understandably jealous

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Bramshott · 15/10/2008 12:02

They all say stuff like that on MSN MM! You should read what my teenage cousin constantly has to say about my (loving, caring, stable etc) aunt and uncle on Facebook

mistressmiggins · 15/10/2008 12:13

Thanks Bramshott.

I kinda hoped that was the case but it was such a shock!
I guess I need to develop a thick skin.
I suppose when we were teenagers there wasnt anywhere to do this sort of thing except in your personal diary.

The only reason we think ex must be serious is because she has taken advice from a solicitor and seems to be persuing it. Wish we could sit down & sort it out.

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nooka · 15/10/2008 13:05

I think that you just have to roll with it I am afraid. Are there any support groups for step parents? Would it help to talk to people that have "come out the the side" as it were. It's not at all unusual to have a rocky relationship with your significant adults at this point in growing up (although a little early perhaps), and with the stresses of being in a new place, making new friends, and coping with step-siblings being in your life all the time it's probably not too surprising that she is angry about it. Of course she could also be feeling insecure about her friendships, and playing the sympathy card (if these are her old friends she may be worried that they will reject her now she has moved, and if these are new friends she may be worried that they don't really like her). If she is leaving these comments out openly that may just be to hurt you, or it may be to test you. She has already had one mum abandon her (and may well feel it is her fault, as children often do) she might feel she needs to push you to check that you won't do the same (strange but then our minds work in strange places). I think that you have to carry on being supportive but firm, and it sounds like you are doing very well. Very hard though!

mistressmiggins · 15/10/2008 13:08

I think she may be testing me cos she keeps drawing pictures labelled "my family" and only includes her mum & her side. Doesnt mention any of us who she lives with - mind you not even her dad.

you make a lot of sense about her feeling insecure etc with old & new friends but why would she want to move to her mums and start all over again?
I am trying to encourage DP to make more time for her - he just doesnt see that she needs his cuddles etc.

We are alone with her this weekend as my 2 are away - I deliberately worked this so she could have just us to herself - she rarely has this at weekends. Hoping we can find time to talk things through.

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Freckle · 15/10/2008 13:19

My boys veer between telling me I'm the best mum in the world and that they love me more than anyone can ever say and I'm a witch and a fat, horrible woman. I'm sure they say worse to their friends on MSN.

I would just chill about it all. As you said, she and her dad only moved in about 7-8 weeks ago so all this living as one big happy family is very new and probably very unsettling for her. She's also having to share her dad with you and your two dcs and probably has this vision in her head that it will be just her and her mum. No competition. Just give her time to settle in, sort out her friendships, work out her place in the family.

edam · 15/10/2008 13:28

You sound like a very caring stepmother, mistress, who is doing your very best for step-dd and dp. Looking at some of the other step-family threads, she's lucky to have you! (Not that an 11yo would ever admit that or really appreciate it. But pat yourself on the back.)

nooka · 15/10/2008 13:33

I wonder whether she really wants to go to her Mums. Maybe what she would really like is for her dad to make it very clear that she belongs with him? Alternately maybe she has always had a fantasy of her Mum coming back and sweeping her off and telling her that she never meant to abandon her? Maybe a bit of both. I expect she has a lot of complex emotions whizzing around in her head and she is not quite sure what to do with them.

BlingLovin · 15/10/2008 13:44

She's 11. Of course she's going to write horrible things about you. And she's not going to be fun to hang around with in the evening. I'm afraid that's the nature of the beast.

I think there are two issues - 1. what's best for her in terms of where she should live (clearly with you and DP) and 2. how you all (including you, DP, your DCs and DSD) cope with the huge change in your lives. DSD has moved town and school, away from her friends, she's living with a whole new family and not just her dad, you are having to deal with a pre-teen when you're used to your lovely little ones... the list goes on.

I would try to seperate the two issues in your own heart and mind and deal with them seperately.

ajandjjmum · 15/10/2008 13:58

It's still such early days for you all. Just several things I thought - 1. All girls of her age have sulky, quiet days, and they hang the reason on any peg that's convenient at the time! 2. I would work along the 'when your mum has a home sorted, we'll talk about it', so the onus is on mum and finally, 3. could your dh and his dd have say every Wednesday night for the two of them. Maybe collect from school and go to the cinema etc?
Good luck - you will work it out.

mistressmiggins · 17/10/2008 14:06

cant fight anymore

DP took her out Wed for a pizza - just the 2 of them and then when he got back he went out to watch the football. So DSD & I watched Hairspray and painted our toenails.

Today I have found out from a good friend (her daughter is in DSD's class) that DSD has been saying she is being hit at home & is going to tell the school

how can you fight that?
I am scared that social services would get involved and take my children off me.

so we have told her mum she can move. What else can we do

We are absolutely gutted but we cant have her saying things like that.

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ElenorRigby · 17/10/2008 18:38

That stuff is coming from her mother no doubt, children just dont come out with crap like that. If this turns out well for that little girl I will eat my hat. I f*ing sick and tired of people abusing children like this

mistressmiggins · 17/10/2008 19:23

we talked to her when she got back from school & she admitted saying these things
she also admitted to writing Childline telephone number on her sock & showing her friends - her reason was she was bored.
we explained calmly the consequences for saying such things and maybe it went in...

but she has won & is moving by Xmas as DP says he cant have her saying things like that about us

we are both gutted and upset but what can we do?

Just hope the grass is greener for her but I doubt it

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ElenorRigby · 17/10/2008 19:28

What her mother has done disgusts me, why do people inflict damage on children like this for their own selfish reasons
Im sorry but this abuse makes me so so upset and angry.

mistressmiggins · 17/10/2008 19:30

I dont know but it has worked.
She has a new boyfriend who DSD likes and he likes her - but its easy to like someone when you only have to see them every other fortnight.
I hope this leopard can change her spots

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ElenorRigby · 17/10/2008 19:36

All you can do is keep the high moral ground and be there for your DSD as much as you can. Hopefully she will see her mother for what she is eventually and then return to the parent that has always be there for her.
I have spoken in person to parents who have had their beloved children alienated, it is a living bereavement.
I pray your DSD will have a better outcome than others.

mistressmiggins · 17/10/2008 19:38

I have read such threads here and never thought it would be us.
DSD now saying not sure she will come & stay alternative weekends
Its killing her dad.

But I suspect her mum will WANT her to come to us so she can have a social life.

DP & I have mananged a romance while having 3 children to deal with so we wil be ok (hopefully)

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