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Birthday acknowledgment

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stoppedwindows · 17/05/2024 23:41

I've been with my DH for 20 years we were both widowed when we met and married. He has 3 grown up children who don't live with us also we have grandchildren. I have none of my own children In the 20 years we've been together I've probably had 6 birthday cards or greetings from them. They just don't remember. or I don't matter much to them. DH has occasionally reminded them and they've sent me a card. I used to get upset but I don't anymore, I am hurt by it though

I get on with my step kids I think they like me or at least they are pleasant and polite with me.

Does this happen to anyone else and what to you do about it

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LittleOwl153 · 18/05/2024 00:03

It's an interesting one. My dad's wife (maybe there's a clue there?) who I have never lived with, I believe she was in his life from when I was about 15, but not in mine at all till I was 20+ (I'm now 40+) has never received a birthday card/ acknowledgement from me.

She has recently dropped hints at my 14/10yr old kids to call her grandma. They won't - their choice - they have 2 grandma's. And last time we saw them dropped huge hints about some other event happening on her birthday... a hint which was lost on my I'm afraid.

Had we been part of a shared loving family then I'd no doubt do cards etc. But we were never wanted previously, now all of a sudden... and I just can't be bothered!

Sorry OP, as you can tell a touchy one for me. Not sure about the dynamic you have.

MissyPea · 18/05/2024 02:09

LittleOwl153 · 18/05/2024 00:03

It's an interesting one. My dad's wife (maybe there's a clue there?) who I have never lived with, I believe she was in his life from when I was about 15, but not in mine at all till I was 20+ (I'm now 40+) has never received a birthday card/ acknowledgement from me.

She has recently dropped hints at my 14/10yr old kids to call her grandma. They won't - their choice - they have 2 grandma's. And last time we saw them dropped huge hints about some other event happening on her birthday... a hint which was lost on my I'm afraid.

Had we been part of a shared loving family then I'd no doubt do cards etc. But we were never wanted previously, now all of a sudden... and I just can't be bothered!

Sorry OP, as you can tell a touchy one for me. Not sure about the dynamic you have.

Edited

Just interested to know if you’re a step parent yourself?

WearyAuldWumman · 18/05/2024 02:59

That happened to me with my late husband's kids. Two of them - both adults by the time I met their dad. Their mother had an affair with someone from work, but convinced them that she'd gradually become close to a friend from work...She's currently with partner No.4.

Dh got more upset about the birthday thing than I did. One time a card arrived from the son and his partner. I think it was a blank card they'd filled in - I suspect DH had reminded them.

Anyway, when I opened it, there was the greeting written by the son's partner and below it in a different pen colour, the greeting written by the daughter.

I remember Dh looking at it incredulously: "What's wrong? Could they not afford another stamp?"

One year, a lovely bouquet of flowers arrived. DH was so happy: "What does the card say?"

They were from my SIL. Dh was absolutely crestfallen.

I got flowers from the kids once: their mother's 3rd partner had died and I felt sorry for her. She needed a day operation, so I volunteered to take her to and from hospital.

I got flowers and a note that said "Thanks for helping Mum."

On the way back from hospital, the ex told me that she was going away for a birthday weekend with her daughter and granddaughter. I said, "Oh, that's nice..." thinking that it was a lovely multi-generational girls' weekend away.

Then we saw the FB pics: DH's ex, daughter, granddaughter, son, son's partner and daughter's best friend.

DH was disabled by then, so maybe that's why we weren't asked. He did ask his daughter why he'd not been invited the next time we say them: "Oh...I didn't think you'd want to go."

The more I think about it, the more I think they didn't want me there.

DH died during lockdown. They told me they couldn't come to the funeral. The son had been told to shield (true); the daughter told me she had adult-onset asthma and she thought it would be too upsetting for the then 20 yr old granddaughter. Nevertheless, they wanted their say in the funeral.They asked if their mum could represent them. (I later found out that that was her idea. )

Side note: when the gd was born, I was told I was too young to be granny. DH suggested I could be an honorary aunt. Nope. She had 'plenty aunties' - her uncle's partner and her mum's best pal.

The mum's affair partner was 'Grandad'. When he died, the gd's father complained to us that the AP had left all his money to the ex. Something should have been left to the granddaughter, because she called him 'Grandad', apparently.

Anyway, I cracked two months after my husband's funeral. TBH, I had a complete breakdown. They've gone Non Contact.

I made sure that they got their inheritance. The only time that they got in touch was when 2 of them phoned the solicitor to say that their cheques hadn't gone through.

What did I do about it, OP?

For 27 years, I kept the peace, bit my tongue...and then cracked up after the funeral. I used to go half with DH for birthday presents, though latterly I told DH I would no longer contribute to presents for his son and daughter.

I sorted through my MIL's jewellery for DH and had pieces mended for the granddaughter. When it looked like the kids were not going to get married, I gave them the money that I'd saved for their weddings.

I'll not monopolise your thread any further, but being nice got me nowhere, though they were nice enough to me (for the most part) until I cracked up.

I do recall one time when we had a meal with the daughter, gd and the ex, the daughter saw me with a bank card: "I'll go half!"

"Oh, it's been paid."

"I'm not a CHILD that has to have things paid for her!"

Me, nervously, laughing: "Oh, you'd better argue with your dad then - it's his card. [I had POA for him.] I just do as I'm told!"

I think that was the one real piece of evidence that she resented me. Might have been because I'm a lot younger than her dad, but there was the same age difference between her and her late partner. Go figure.

Illpickthatup · 18/05/2024 08:23

Sometimes people are just thoughtless. My SS17 lives with us full time and didn't even buy my DH a birthday card or even say happy birthday on his birthday. I've never had a card off him either.

mitogoshi · 18/05/2024 08:51

I can't get worked up about this, my dsd (live with) says happy birthday but that's it, one of my DDs forgets until someone put it on the family group chat but other dd sends gifts or arranges something... some with Mother's Day, dsd has a mother so of course she takes flowers to her mum despite it's me cooking for her nightly (she chose to move in with us)

stoppedwindows · 18/05/2024 09:39

Thanks for your replies

@LittleOwl153 I too wonder if you're a stepparent

@WearyAuldWumman I know exactly what you're talking about - always keeping the peace, never criticising his ex wife, always reminding DH of imminent birthdays of his dc, keeping my thoughts to myself etc etc MIL partner doesn't have half of what I have to put up with - anyone would think I'd taken DH away from his wife - she died 5 years before I came along, the veiled hostility from them, listening to their talk about their mum - I've never commented on it or criticised her

I don't think I'd recommend it to anyone or ever do this again.

I've made up my mind that should DH die before me I will quietly disappear from their lives and I'll make sure none of my money goes to them

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WearyAuldWumman · 18/05/2024 13:18

stoppedwindows · 18/05/2024 09:39

Thanks for your replies

@LittleOwl153 I too wonder if you're a stepparent

@WearyAuldWumman I know exactly what you're talking about - always keeping the peace, never criticising his ex wife, always reminding DH of imminent birthdays of his dc, keeping my thoughts to myself etc etc MIL partner doesn't have half of what I have to put up with - anyone would think I'd taken DH away from his wife - she died 5 years before I came along, the veiled hostility from them, listening to their talk about their mum - I've never commented on it or criticised her

I don't think I'd recommend it to anyone or ever do this again.

I've made up my mind that should DH die before me I will quietly disappear from their lives and I'll make sure none of my money goes to them

I've been fortunate in that DH's siblings have kept in touch. It's an unusual situation - DH was adopted by kin and was in his 60s before he knew he had siblings, so they never had a relationship with the first wife.

The weird thing is that anyone who has met the first wife has found her to be difficult. The expression "jealous and controlling" was used. However, the kids' partners always put up with it because it was clear that their mother could never be questioned.

The kids are not in touch with either of my husband's siblings. I recall the daughter saying that she found meeting them "awkward". It's a shame - they're lovely people and the granddaughter would have benefited from a relationship with them.

LittleOwl153 · 18/05/2024 14:23

@MissyPea @stoppedwindows

I am not a step parent. And based on my experiences I would not choose to be. There are other complex family arrangements within my family noone would choose either.

I wasn't trying to say you were wrong, I was trying to say there is no simplistic answer and your view as a 'step-parent' is potentially very different from your expected view of the 'step-child' even more so when the second marriage happens when the child is actually an adult and has different connections with the parental adults.

MissyPea · 18/05/2024 14:36

LittleOwl153 · 18/05/2024 14:23

@MissyPea @stoppedwindows

I am not a step parent. And based on my experiences I would not choose to be. There are other complex family arrangements within my family noone would choose either.

I wasn't trying to say you were wrong, I was trying to say there is no simplistic answer and your view as a 'step-parent' is potentially very different from your expected view of the 'step-child' even more so when the second marriage happens when the child is actually an adult and has different connections with the parental adults.

Easy guess.

Moneypennywise · 18/05/2024 15:27

@WearyAuldWumman I doubt anyone would be up for a family holiday with their exH and second wife, it seems a little odd for you to have expected an invite.

@stoppedwindows I’m not a step-parent but my DP has his 2 DC EOW (we don’t live together). Initially I tried to make an effort to bond with them but it felt too one-sided since he didn’t do the same with my DC. Also, his DC didn’t seem very keen to see me and his teenage DD was rude to me on various occasions so I scaled back my involvement. I’m much happier, no point in trying to force a relationship with the kids. I realised that I was expecting some reciprocity which was never going to happen. Maybe you should consider what it is you want from them and whether you did things for them whilst expecting them to reciprocate?

My own DC have a step-mother and while they buy cards and gifts for their half-siblings and her (paid by me really), they are lukewarm with their step-mother who seems to be a polite stranger/interloper (and seems to do fuck all in terms of looking after them anyway). I’m not sure why PP seem to expect a warm, loving relationship with step-kids who were a lot older or already grown-up. Your relationship is with their father, you’re pretty much a stranger to them especially if contact is very limited.

WearyAuldWumman · 18/05/2024 16:59

@Moneypennywise

I possibly didn't explain properly: it was my husband's granddaughter's 18th birthday meal. At that point, our relationship was such that I had taken his ex to a hospital operation and she had actually named me as her next of kin on the forms (much to my surprise). [ETA Presumably, it was easier than explaining that her ex-husband's second wife was taking her to and from hospital.]

My husband would have taken her if he'd been able to drive, but he couldn't following his stroke. I took her to hospital, took her for a meal after her procedure and got her safely home.

There's no way I'd expect an invitation to someone else's family holiday. I did expect that my husband would be invited to his own granddaughter's 18th birthday party.

Having the meal in a hall, restaurant or hotel with people staying overnight is quite common for major celebrations round our way. The norm is for people to arrive on the Friday, do their own thing and then attend the party/meal on the Saturday.

The ex's 3rd partner was my husband's best friend. DH and I were invited to the 3rd partner's birthday meals and vice versa. (The ex did make it clear to me that we were only at her partner's birthday meals because he and my husband were best friends, but I knew that.)

Whenever the kids were in the area, we had everyone out for a meal, including the ex and her 3rd partner.

After the 3rd partner died, when we were were organising the meal it was a case of "Mum's invited too?" so of course she was.

We promised the kids that we'd look out for the ex. At the time, we didn't know that she already had her next man lined up. (She never had a gap between deaths, we later realised.)

After the 18th birthday was over, we had a meal out with DH's son, his partner and the ex. DH made a comment about missing the 18th. The son was bewildered.

I took him aside and explained that his dad hadn't been invited. To the son's credit, he was visibly shocked: "I didn't know Dad hadn't been invited."

I know for a fact that Dh's friend - the 3rd partner - would not have approved of my husband being excluded from his only grandchild's 18th meal.

Anuta77 · 18/05/2024 17:00

Yes, its the same with me. Ive been with DP for 10 years, his two sons were teenagers. His sons are now 24 and 21. The oldest stopped congradulating me maybe 4 years ago. He does remember the birthday of his exSM because hes friends with her son and always hungs out in their house. Whats annoying is that in the past 2 years, the oldest SS doesnt seem to have plans for his bday, so I end up being involved in doing something with him (not his exSM). It doesnt inspire him to at least try to remember my bday. Personnally, I disconnect from people who dont make efforts and if I was not forced to see him on his bday, I wouldnt send him a message either. But other than that, we are nice with each other once or twice per year that see meet.

Anuta77 · 18/05/2024 17:04

LittleOwl153 · 18/05/2024 00:03

It's an interesting one. My dad's wife (maybe there's a clue there?) who I have never lived with, I believe she was in his life from when I was about 15, but not in mine at all till I was 20+ (I'm now 40+) has never received a birthday card/ acknowledgement from me.

She has recently dropped hints at my 14/10yr old kids to call her grandma. They won't - their choice - they have 2 grandma's. And last time we saw them dropped huge hints about some other event happening on her birthday... a hint which was lost on my I'm afraid.

Had we been part of a shared loving family then I'd no doubt do cards etc. But we were never wanted previously, now all of a sudden... and I just can't be bothered!

Sorry OP, as you can tell a touchy one for me. Not sure about the dynamic you have.

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If she rejected you, its understandable. I had a SM like that and didnt make efforts for her, except after my fathers death when I learned that she had cancer. It was our first and last real conversation.

But sometimes a SM simply can not be there. In my case, step children stopped visiting us as teenagers, simply because their father always went to visit them in their house. I tried to organize activities for them and that was the only time I saw them, which is a few times per year. I couldnt possibly do more.
And one of my SS doesnt acknowledge my bday.
People make efforts to congradulate random people on their facebook list, but can not try to make an effort with their parents partner?

WearyAuldWumman · 18/05/2024 17:08

In addition to my previous comment, I'll add that one of the reasons that I tried to help with Dh's ex was that her 3rd partner - my husband's friend - was a really decent man.

He used to take my husband out for a coffee once a week, while I was at work. (Eventually, I had to give up my career a couple of years earlier than I would have.) DH learned to walk again after his stroke, but he also had problems with his eyesight and his hemiparesis meant that while he could eat by himself, he needed to have his food cut up, so he couldn't go out independently. Given what my husband told me about their conversations, he (the friend) was uneasy about the way the daughter was behaving.

In helping the ex, I was partly trying to thank my husband's late friend for his kindnesses to my husband.

Cbljgdpk · 18/05/2024 17:28

I’m surprised your DH hasn’t brought it up with them; I have a stepdad and I’m a step parent. If I didn’t acknowledge my stepdads birthday my mum would be having a word and DH would be speaking to DSC if they did that.

WearyAuldWumman · 18/05/2024 17:32

Cbljgdpk · 18/05/2024 17:28

I’m surprised your DH hasn’t brought it up with them; I have a stepdad and I’m a step parent. If I didn’t acknowledge my stepdads birthday my mum would be having a word and DH would be speaking to DSC if they did that.

In the case of my husband, there was a fear of alienating his children.

He did try to have a word with his daughter about matters a couple of times - her mother had given her a completely false idea of the situation - but on at least one occasion, I heard her saying "I don't want to know that..."

LittleOwl153 · 18/05/2024 18:22

MissyPea · 18/05/2024 14:36

Easy guess.

Are you saying because I'm not a step parent I can't share my thoughts?

Or that the thoughts of the step child are invalid?

Or that Step parents 'feels' override that of the step child (child or adult-child)

I did say that OPs situation is likely to be different - and her expectations should perhaps depend on the wider circumstance - it is not one size/solution fits all.

SnuffyAndBigBird · 19/05/2024 07:58

I think being both a SM and a SC can be really tough with lots of hurt and emotion on all sides.

I was a SC, but not been a SM. My dad got with his partner when I was an adult. For me, I’m glad my dad is happy and gets to live a good life. However, as far as I am concerned, she is nothing to do with me, my DH and my DC. I feel she is a buffer between my dad and me. I’ve not been able to talk to my dad about anything personal for years, as she is always there. Also, when I have told him things in the past, she has told everyone and anyone my business. She has opinions on the things I do, and my parenting style which as far as I am concerned, is absolutely nothing to do with her. My dad tells me I have to buy her Christmas presents and even tells me what to get her, which really pisses me off. He refers to her as my DC’s GM, but she isn’t. I think it is insulting to my own mum, and my MIL to refer to her as GM.

It’s hard and I do feel for you. I think the long and short of it is that we are happy for our parent as we don’t want them to be lonely, but I know that as far I am concerned, I don’t want a SM. Like a PP, I also wouldn’t want to bring in a step parent into my DC’s lives. If I did have a new partner, and my DC where older, I would try and spend time with them on my own, without my partner, as that is what I want and don’t get.

MissyPea · 19/05/2024 13:00

LittleOwl153 · 18/05/2024 18:22

Are you saying because I'm not a step parent I can't share my thoughts?

Or that the thoughts of the step child are invalid?

Or that Step parents 'feels' override that of the step child (child or adult-child)

I did say that OPs situation is likely to be different - and her expectations should perhaps depend on the wider circumstance - it is not one size/solution fits all.

Because you’re blaming the step parent it’s completely evident. And we all know it’s the step parents feelings that aren’t valid right?
Share away. Doesn’t mean we have to give a damn, or that we can’t point out the projecting.

stoppedwindows · 19/05/2024 14:48

There's some interesting points raised here.
It really gets me that people are so negative about step parents. We aren't wicked or weird or after the family money. I/we have as much right as anyone to a happy life and yet I/we are made to feel like we shouldn't expect it or don't deserve it. I just want to be accepted for me not some odd delusion about step mums

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User1979289 · 19/05/2024 16:00

I have no idea when my step mother's bday is. Step father invites us to do things on his bday so he gets cards. People are busy and forgetful. Also adults bdays - it's a bit mad to expect anything from anyone imo.

MissyPea · 19/05/2024 19:05

stoppedwindows · 19/05/2024 14:48

There's some interesting points raised here.
It really gets me that people are so negative about step parents. We aren't wicked or weird or after the family money. I/we have as much right as anyone to a happy life and yet I/we are made to feel like we shouldn't expect it or don't deserve it. I just want to be accepted for me not some odd delusion about step mums

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It was something I really didn’t see coming, the awful negativity and hatred just for being a new partner. The resentment from the kids, mostly they don’t want a step parent like someone else on here was honest enough to say. It all makes that loving family unit a delusion. Getting blamed for everyones problems and unhappiness, even though you didn’t have a single thing to do with the parents producing children then splitting the home up because they’ve had enough and can’t live/be together any more, the real root of the trauma (I’m not blaming as such, it is what it is) Of course that’s the step parents fault though! Never would I ever get involved again.

WearyAuldWumman · 19/05/2024 19:11

MissyPea · 19/05/2024 19:05

It was something I really didn’t see coming, the awful negativity and hatred just for being a new partner. The resentment from the kids, mostly they don’t want a step parent like someone else on here was honest enough to say. It all makes that loving family unit a delusion. Getting blamed for everyones problems and unhappiness, even though you didn’t have a single thing to do with the parents producing children then splitting the home up because they’ve had enough and can’t live/be together any more, the real root of the trauma (I’m not blaming as such, it is what it is) Of course that’s the step parents fault though! Never would I ever get involved again.

I think that when there’s been a divorce, even adult children sometimes cling to the illusion that their parents will get back together again.

When one of the parents actually remarries, all hope of that is lost.

MissyPea · 19/05/2024 19:42

WearyAuldWumman · 19/05/2024 19:11

I think that when there’s been a divorce, even adult children sometimes cling to the illusion that their parents will get back together again.

When one of the parents actually remarries, all hope of that is lost.

Yes. I absolutely understand where the kids are coming from, I can’t imagine how hard that must be. I get it. But in the end it’s really hard on everyone. Parents should think really hard before bringing in a new partner. Really hard.

stoppedwindows · 19/05/2024 20:02

I'm sure it's even harder when break up and divorce is involved, I was widowed like my partner was and I still feel like I'm being blamed for my step kids mother's death - I didn't know her but all their loss, guilt and other emotions gets piled onto me, like someone said further up. I call myself "not Jane" (not real name), because it's not about who I am but who I'm not to them

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