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Yadayadayada1 · 14/06/2023 07:06

AIBU to think I don't need to bother sorting gifts for teenage DSC?

We have a toddler shared DC I have gotten a gift "from" but not bought anything "from" DSC.

When they were much younger their mum bought them stuff to give DH, that dwindled and then stopped, I have on an ad-hoc style basis bought the odd thing when they asked me to but this time they haven't mentioned it at all and they have their own money now/own bank cards and I just feel it's not my responsibility to keep reminding or buying these things. They can both afford a £1 bar of chocolate and a card.

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hattyhathat · 15/06/2023 07:42

Kingdedede · 15/06/2023 07:18

It’s not up to the mother to arrange anything for her ex, the SM is the one with the relationship with the father and the children.

Tell that to my DH and his ex who have it in their parenting agreement that they are to help the kids until they are old enough to do it themselves. They both agreed it was important to the kids to be able to do that. No matter what happens between them they are the mother/father of their kids.

hattyhathat · 15/06/2023 07:43

Yadayadayada1 · 15/06/2023 07:34

Killed me? No.

But really what is the actual point of father's day at all if you just do everything for them 🤷‍♀️

They go to the shop for their own stuff all the time, they can grab a bar of chocolate whilst they are there and actually make some effort considering it's their father the day is supposed to be for?

It sounds like they are pretty independent so yes I agree with you they can go to a shop and buy something if they want. If they don't then they clearly don't want.

RattyHealy · 15/06/2023 07:51

Just send a text to remind at least. Not for them but for your husband's sake.
I don't think you should get gifts for them or put their name on your own stuff but all this bloody discussion is taking a lot longer than the time it takes to message to not forget Father's Day.

Teadottie · 15/06/2023 07:55

I'd give a nudge but as they have access to their own money/cards and can presumably get to a shop or buy something online then at their age I'd leave them to it- as I would for a biological child.

Kingdedede · 15/06/2023 08:06

hattyhathat · 15/06/2023 07:42

Tell that to my DH and his ex who have it in their parenting agreement that they are to help the kids until they are old enough to do it themselves. They both agreed it was important to the kids to be able to do that. No matter what happens between them they are the mother/father of their kids.

And who decides when they are old enough, would have made more sense to have it until 16 or whatever, they obviously didn’t have many issues if that’s something they were thinking about.

CornishGem1975 · 15/06/2023 08:30

You know the mental load mums have to carry is a actual thing that's recognised in the society.

This adds to it.

Oh give over.

"Don't forget it's fathers day soon"

Mental load my foot. 😂

hattyhathat · 15/06/2023 08:32

Kingdedede · 15/06/2023 08:06

And who decides when they are old enough, would have made more sense to have it until 16 or whatever, they obviously didn’t have many issues if that’s something they were thinking about.

No idea. Not my business.

hattyhathat · 15/06/2023 08:33

CornishGem1975 · 15/06/2023 08:30

You know the mental load mums have to carry is a actual thing that's recognised in the society.

This adds to it.

Oh give over.

"Don't forget it's fathers day soon"

Mental load my foot. 😂

I mean if its not that hard mum can do it

CornishGem1975 · 15/06/2023 08:50

I mean if its not that hard mum can do it

Of course it's NOT hard to utter a few words, but no a lot of mums won't do it because they can't see past their own bitterness and act in the best interests of their children. You see it time and time again on threads on here.

Kingdedede · 15/06/2023 08:53

CornishGem1975 · 15/06/2023 08:50

I mean if its not that hard mum can do it

Of course it's NOT hard to utter a few words, but no a lot of mums won't do it because they can't see past their own bitterness and act in the best interests of their children. You see it time and time again on threads on here.

It’s nothing to do with bitterness it’s not down to me to arrange what happens and their father’s house.

quietnightmare · 15/06/2023 08:53

I tell mine when it is. Then it's up to them

I get a gift from our shared Dc because they are a toddler

And a joint gift from 'all of them' that's not necessarily Father's Day related just something their dad wants/needs basically a gift from me but we say it's from them. Problem solved

RattyHealy · 15/06/2023 09:05

Ok so stepmums won't remind the kids because they're not their kids.
Mums won't remind because it's nothing to do with them what happens at dads house.

Ideally the kids will be super considerate and organised but most aren't and will need a little push.

Maybe people should loosen those boundaries just a little because not everything is about point scoring.

harriethoyle · 15/06/2023 09:08

Ok so some stepmums won't remind the kids because they're not their kids. Others do.

Fixed that for you @RattyHealy

UsernamePain · 15/06/2023 09:13

My SS is 15. I have reminded him that it’s Father’s Day on Sunday. He has his own money to get a card/gift if he chooses to.
I’ve done the same since he started getting a decent amount of pocket money (20p/w). He has yet to bother buying anything for his dad.

RattyHealy · 15/06/2023 09:25

harriethoyle · 15/06/2023 09:08

Ok so some stepmums won't remind the kids because they're not their kids. Others do.

Fixed that for you @RattyHealy

I realise that, I was paraphrasing the two opposing positions from parents and step parents made on here. Not my job etc My point is, it all seems a bit silly.

If you're happy to remind then the comment wouldn't apply to you.

aSofaNearYou · 15/06/2023 09:35

Kingdedede · 15/06/2023 07:18

It’s not up to the mother to arrange anything for her ex, the SM is the one with the relationship with the father and the children.

See the way I see it, it's not about being in relationship, it's about being the other parent. So I don't see it as my job.

The end result, I guess, if both mum and SM don't think it's their job, is dad doesn't get a card. But tbh, is that really the end of the world? Separating from your child's other parent does come with a lot of sacrifices, unfortunately, one of them might be that you don't have a coparent whose that likely to do these things for you, but I don't think this is a particularly major one.

CornishGem1975 · 15/06/2023 10:55

RattyHealy · 15/06/2023 09:05

Ok so stepmums won't remind the kids because they're not their kids.
Mums won't remind because it's nothing to do with them what happens at dads house.

Ideally the kids will be super considerate and organised but most aren't and will need a little push.

Maybe people should loosen those boundaries just a little because not everything is about point scoring.

This, one hundred times over.

I am a stepmum and my own kids have a stepmum. Doesn't matter if ALL the mums remind the kids, why does it matter whose job or whose responsibility it is?

Some kids need prompting and that's okay. I know my own kids don't realise what the day of the week is but come Fathers Day they'd be gutted to not have given him something, even just a card and a Toblerone.

Same goes for my step-kids who are younger and can't go out on their own to get stuff. Their mother says it's nothing to do with her. No it's not my job but I'm a decent human being and why on Earth would I want to see my step-kids feeling upset about it when it can be easily resolved? Especially as we have a shared DC.

In most cases it actually means more to the kids than to the men. My DH couldn't care less if the kids give him a card really, it's not important to him but it's important to THEM.

People need to get over themselves and see the bigger picture.

harriethoyle · 15/06/2023 11:02

RattyHealy · 15/06/2023 09:25

I realise that, I was paraphrasing the two opposing positions from parents and step parents made on here. Not my job etc My point is, it all seems a bit silly.

If you're happy to remind then the comment wouldn't apply to you.

Sorry @RattyHealy I shouldn't have been snarky - I just loathe the way so many posters in MN tar all stepmothers with the same wicked/OW/youknewwhatyouweregettinginto etc etc brush. Forgive me!

Reugny · 15/06/2023 11:14

rwalker · 15/06/2023 07:02

Plenty of kids are like this the fact that there stepkids is irrelevant

would it of killed you to just get something from all 3 and text them to remind them to get a card

but I guess being a step parent you can just use that to not bother

Actually it upsets fathers if the card and present is still from the child's mother or child's SM when the child is old enough, so from around 13 onwards, to have their own money and is able to go to the shop to buy things.

I've seen it with my brothers, male friends and male colleagues.

All a step-parent (or any adult close to a teen) should do is remind the teen that it is fathers day on a particular Sunday then leave it up to the teen to sort out a card and present.

Ditto Mothering Sunday.

namechangenacy · 15/06/2023 16:26

If it's not so hard and there's no mental load why exactly do they need reminding by a step parent ?

Mum and dad set the values in their children's lives. Those values impact the others house they don't suddenly change from house to house imo.

If your dealing with a teenager v close to having sex (in the legal sense) in age and the implications of that and they have a phone, social media and eyes, why is this a sm role ? To protect a fully grown man from the values he has 50/50 set in his children along with his mother ?

I'm not a human catcher of all plates.
Just because parents split doesn't mean that you aren't partly responsible for your kids actions (no matter where they are in dads house ect).

I do suppose there are some mums who don't give a fig about their ex, and if their kids don't get him a card. But I also suppose that will show up in their.. values in other ways. As a mum I care about not my ex but the values my child has - and I have very good reason to want to not give a fuck about my ex. But I will always give a fuck about my child and who she will turn into.

I suppose this is the approach I would take with all the children in my house when they reach that age range step or not. Because children should be able to forget about a critical date and think ah yes I should have remembered that and remember the date going forward and the adults go hey your human but next time.The stakes couldn't be lower in terms of impact of them failing. Your supposed to prepare your kids for the road not prepared the road for your kids imo.
Otherwise what age do you stop ? Do you ever stop reminding them if so what age ?

Tell them sure, don't tell them sure it's all much of a muchness. But it's interesting as soon as people say ah actually it's not my role as a sp to do x, people call it "point scoring" but when mum says it's not her role 😳 that's absolutely fine.

Perspective, what works exactly in your house is the exact opposite of what would work in another. Can we stop pretending like there's some dammed list of "must do" to be a "good sp" because not everyone can agree not even sp it would appear..

I'm fine with people having a different opinion on what to do, but I don't think it needs to turn into a moralising of a sp character either way. Step children won't reject or accept you based on if you buy their dad a card for Father's Day and stick their name in it. Actually statically speaking it's highly likely as adults they will reject you as a parent figure because you aren't their parent and you didn't set their values. People need to stop playing the pick me I'm nice game with teens and expecting a result that's unlikely to happen even if you are the most accommodating nice sp.

But I'm also happy to be considered "evil" if that means I create decent fully fledged adults. But I wasn't there right when DSc were small and they have a active engage mum, so I suppose that changes things somewhat.

You reap what you sow.. and a lot of sp weren't there at the sowing..

namechangenacy · 15/06/2023 16:35

And since this feels like a massive omission- I did once text DSc a reminder it was Father's Day.

DSc told mum and mum kicked off saying it wasn't my place and she would handle it.

Shock horror nothing happened not even a text from DSc. I'm not sure what mum handled because nothing was acknowledged by either.

So after being whacked by mum into place. I firmly stayed out of it.

But as I said different strokes different folks.

CornishGem1975 · 15/06/2023 17:06

namechangenacy · 15/06/2023 16:35

And since this feels like a massive omission- I did once text DSc a reminder it was Father's Day.

DSc told mum and mum kicked off saying it wasn't my place and she would handle it.

Shock horror nothing happened not even a text from DSc. I'm not sure what mum handled because nothing was acknowledged by either.

So after being whacked by mum into place. I firmly stayed out of it.

But as I said different strokes different folks.

I had that EXACT same experience, but knew the ex would never ever ever have reminded the kids, she'd made that clear, so when I did, she kicked off about them not being my kids and it wasn't for me to do, it was for her to do. But she doesn't do it. That's the mind-boggling thing. (We're talking slightly younger kids, not teenagers). Then she blocked me on their phones for added measure, so now I don't text them ever, but I will remind them of things when they're here in our house.

namechangenacy · 15/06/2023 17:21

@CornishGem1975 I'm sorry you experienced that.

My DSc has asd and found her mothers kick off really hard to handle. Although my DSc is incredibly bright and highly functioning. It was a lot of her as she was grilled about it on her return and my DSc doesn't quite understand why and would blurt out the truth and create more hassle for her and me.

Her mum says that it's not DSc job to buy her father things and that's his job. To supply for her and DSc. Literally. Regardless of day (father day, Christmas ect)

For me a tiny tiny reminder can cause a massive mental mess that I have to try and clear up and honestly- I can't get my head around it either from mum's perspective so I'm useless at explaining it to DSc in a way that's kind fair and true.

So I leave it to them. Whatever power play that's going down between mum and dad. And tbh DSc seems happier but it's not perfect.

Although I couldn't ever explain in rl why I don't remind her so I assume lots of people consider me evil. But that I'm willing to take on the chin because I don't want to cause agg to my DSc and likely hood people would think I'm evil by the nature of my title anyway. So a bit more disapproval on top of the usual heap to me doesn't matter to me. Others would be different.

I also can't change this value that's been set in my DSc, she could easily use the money I give her or make a hand written card at ours and mum never know. I want her to be independent and grow but I can't and won't force it because I know she won't lie to mum( not a bad quality imo)

But I can't touch that value because it's too "sounded in pitfalls" for all involved and even though being ND myself,I am used to navigating the emotional social webs of NT people, that tiny tiny thing has massive consequences for me and DSc.

And I suppose I try to follow the do no harm first (value of my own)

But like with all blended families these tiny things get massively complex, and there is a mental load to that, that I can't or won't adopt. Mainly because of my values.

Could be the totally wrong approach but fuck me I don't know what the right one is. This seems the lesser of a selection of hideous options for my family.

But no one would know it from the outside looking in.

namechangenacy · 15/06/2023 17:26

@CornishGem1975 I'm glad I'm not alone btw with this issue.

I'm not glad you had to deal with this bullshit. But it helps slightly knowing.

Christmases, holidays, cards and pictures on the wall. Such dammed small things in nuclear families in terms of thoughts. Blended family - those things get analysed scrutinised and whatever option you chose is usually wrong in someone's book.

That's the mental load I talk of when I say I try to limit it. Because as you have seen on this board. The time wasted on agonising on these topics is absolutely insane.

And no one sodding can agree. Which to me makes (someone who often gets things socially wrong by nature) feel like living in a blended family sometimes feels like I'm in the hunger games 😅

hattyhathat · 18/06/2023 11:01

They've forgotten and DH is moping about it.

I'm going to take DC out for lunch and leave them all to it