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Struggling with DSD

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Jojodiamond · 28/12/2022 20:19

Df and I have been together for 3 years, we’re expecting our first child together this summer. Df has a dd7 from a previous short term relationship. I have a dd12 from a previous relationship.
DSD visits every second weekend throughout the year - those are the conditions set by her mother. She has always been an easy, happy child who will listen and has a good bond with my DD.
In the past 3 months DSD has become increasingly difficult to be around. I know she’s just a child and my hormones probably aren’t helping, but she has stopped listening and started behaving rudely. It isn’t connected to the baby as we haven’t told her yet, and there have been no other changes in her life to warrant it as far as we are aware. She has plenty of attention from df and the wider family.
When she arrives on the Saturday morning she will suddenly start touching everything, rearranging ornaments/photos, whilst ignoring our hello’s and attempts at hugs. I don’t allow either child to go into our bedroom or wear shoes upstairs, but she then goes upstairs in her wet/muddy wellies and lays on our bed reading a magazine and helping herself to my perfumes. We gently coax her downstairs for snacks and to get her toys out, but she will walk past us and head straight for the fridge where she will bite into several snacks but not finish them. Df has to repeat himself several times before she is aware anyone is speaking to her, sometimes he has to be very abrupt but she is still oblivious. Then she’ll sit on the sofa and chose a movie to watch where she will proceed to blank us until it ends and climb all over the couch in her shoes (it’s fairly new and has tears in it now).
She finds it funny and sadly df let’s her walk over him due to guilt over the low contact. This exact ‘routine’ has happened 5 times in a row now. It gets worse through the day and she will even wander into our room throughout the night for ‘cuddles’ but we find her going through drawers in other rooms instead of going back to bed. I tend to sleep with one eye open when she stays.
If we have a day out together such as a park walk or an indoor play centre, she will demand things from shops that df will get her regardless of the price. It upsets me as he ignores dd exists in these cases, but I’ve made a point of buying dd the same if he does this. I’ve began encouraging him to take DSD out alone or with his parents recently.
i have asked df if everything is okay with her at home, I wondered if she is going through stress at home or perhaps even showing some signs of autism/adhd as she is never still. He doesn’t see an issue and lets her continue, while knowing I find it rude and upsetting. She’s essentially ruling the roost when she visits and it’s not fair on my dd who isn’t allowed to behave in this way in her own home, never mind to sit and watch her ss get away with it so she locks herself away all weekend.
I feel awful for thinking it but I’m very relieved and sadly so is dd, when dsd goes home. She stayed Monday and Tuesday this week rather than the Christmas weekend, and this is where my patience is lost. She destroyed some of dd gifts and ate all her selection boxes despite having her own. She didn’t thank anyone for her gifts, not even my family who kindly bought her some things. And worst of all she emptied playdoh on the stairs which took all of today to remove.
it’s got to the point where I don’t feel I can cope with her staying anymore because I’m constantly on edge wondering what she will do or break next time. I’ve been crying this evening knowing when the baby arrives it will be hell on earth juggling her behaviour while caring for a newborn, but I don’t feel like I can be open to df as she is his daughter so of course he thinks the world of her.
I’m sadly wondering if I made a huge mistake settling with someone who already had a child, and is too soft with punishments, Im clearly not built to be step mum. I’ve tried so hard to treat her like my dd and build a bond with her, but I’m beginning to resent how I feel in my home when she stays. Df does 90% of the care for her so I can keep away, but I know eventually it will become obvious how I feel. I don’t know how to approach the subject with df without it becoming an argument, but I know something needs to change before the baby arrives. Everyone has their own parenting style but I have always strongly disagreed with how she is raised, I kept my mouth shut about that because I’d never judge parents for choices they make, but those choices have resulted in a child who knows no boundaries. My parents think she is acting up because she doesn’t want her dad to have a new family, but she has had 3 years of us altogether and has never behaved this way before.
can anyone advise me of how to handle this? Please be kind, it’s a first for me and I’m at a loss what to do short of ending the engagement and relationship altogether.

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Haydugee · 28/12/2022 20:24

Sounds really tough. I’d start by getting a lock for your door and your DD’s bedroom so her things are safe, and removing the remote control.

FestiveDove · 28/12/2022 20:27

OP - you have my sympathies.

I think you need a sit down chat with your partner and point out everything SD has done, and the impact it’s having on everyone individually. Yes, she’s young but this behaviour needs cracking down on now. If not, THIS WILL NOT GET BETTER.

She sounds like a spoiled, manipulative little madam who needs some firm parenting and boundaries. Your partner needs to step up and parent his child.

FestiveDove · 28/12/2022 20:28

I also agree with @Haydugee suggestions. You shouldnt have to put these in place but it sends a message and will stop some of the issues.

Flurbegurb · 28/12/2022 20:31

Arrives at door - shoes off. If she wants food, an adult gets it, she gets two choices.

Why isn't DF doing these absolutely basic things so she can't make a mess with her shoes/eat bites out of food etc? Seems completely nuts when these are really really simple things. I would do it yourself and if he complains then yes you have (bigger) problems.

Jojodiamond · 28/12/2022 20:32

Thing is if I start being ‘wicked stepmother’ and removing things then I worry it’ll make things worse. Dsd mother is a piece of work and she’ll stop him seeing her over something like that which is why I think he turns a blind eye. I don’t feel it’s my place to put rules or punishments in place, particularly without df support as it’ll be them against me essentially as she’ll cry or dramatise the situation. I’m happy to implement house rules for everyone, but dd is so well behaved and thoughtful I’ve never had to worry about these things before dsd. She knows how to behave and respect her home which sadly dsd doesnt. As an only child I think she is very spoilt by every relative in her life which hasn’t helped her at all. We only found out this week she sleeps until 11.30am during school holidays and has no set bedtime routine in general like she has here. I don’t know what it is about her touching things but I absolutely hate it and feel like my personal space has been violated as odd as it sounds.

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Lennybenny · 28/12/2022 20:34

Are you sure she doesn't know about the baby? If she's going through drawers etc and basically being nosy, she could've seen something or overheard a conversation.

Jojodiamond · 28/12/2022 20:37

No I’m very early still so no paper trail or anything and we haven’t told anyone at all who could have slipped up. Df thinks she’ll love being a big sister but I think she is going to be very jealous and difficult. Frankly I’ll be scared to let her hold the baby given the way she has behaved recently, there are so many issues I couldn’t list them all as I’ll be here all night.

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amylou8 · 28/12/2022 20:41

If the change has really be as dramatic as...3 months ago she was a happy easy child who would listen...to what you have described above then I think alarm bells should be ringing. Children don't just turn on a dime like this. Something has happened to affect her emotionally or physically causing this behaviour change. How is she with mum? Any reports from school?

Britinme · 28/12/2022 20:45

I agree with @amylou8 and if it were my dsd I would be saying this to her dad as a matter of protecting the child and helping her deal with whatever is going on in her life to cause this change of behaviour. You say she doesn't know about the baby as it's still early, but did this behaviour start before you became pregnant?

FestiveDove · 28/12/2022 20:48

@Jojodiamond youre not being a wicked stepmother though. It’s YOUR HOME. It wouldn’t be acceptable for anyone else to walk into your home and treat it in that way.

Have a firm chat with your partner - give him a chance to parent. If he fails to do that, then you step in and deal with it.

Jojodiamond · 28/12/2022 20:50

Yes I’m only 6 weeks gone and this has been for the last 5 visits so around 3 months. She’s always been a very distracted child who will stare into space, which is where I initially assumed autism as my nieces are autistic and show some of these traits. She has always been polite and respectful prior to this though so the sudden disrespect is new. I know I need to speak to df and encourage him to speak to her mother, it’s a case of hoping he will listen and act on it as he doesn’t see what I and dd see.

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3487642l · 28/12/2022 20:58

It isn't odd at all to feel violated that someone is going through your belongings and acting with absolute disregard for your feelings, in your own home.

I think you have a massive DP problem if he doesn't listen to you and value your experience and your perspective. That is really, really concerning. Effectively this means you need to live on his terms and on his daughters terms in your own home. This is not ok for you and not ok for your daughter.

MzHz · 28/12/2022 21:01

FestiveDove · 28/12/2022 20:48

@Jojodiamond youre not being a wicked stepmother though. It’s YOUR HOME. It wouldn’t be acceptable for anyone else to walk into your home and treat it in that way.

Have a firm chat with your partner - give him a chance to parent. If he fails to do that, then you step in and deal with it.

This. If not this, what?

tbh, she either behaves better or her mum will kick off and visit stops and the bad behaviour stops

you have a right to a decent home life as does your dd.

perhaps you HAVE made a mistake getting involved with this guy. You also have options available re the new baby, you don’t have to be in a relationship with him to parent, you don’t have to continue with the pregnancy
think really hard about what life will be with these people in your lives forever.

only you know the situation here

boomoohoo · 28/12/2022 21:05

Your dp can apply to the court for a child arrangements order, which will set out a contact plan that is in dsd 's best interests, that her mum will have to comply with. sounds like your dp might need this security in order to instill firmer boundaries for his child.

Britinme · 28/12/2022 21:09

Has Dp talked to his ex about this and expressed concern that this change in behaviour might indicate something going on in her life that they need to be aware of? He doesn't have to criticise her or talk about your distress and discomfort with how she is acting. He can just say he's noticed a change in her and wondering if this is how she's acting at home and what might be causing it.

Hurdling · 28/12/2022 21:11

agree with you OP worth considering ND as it’s a common age for autism to become more obvious in girls particularly

Jojodiamond · 28/12/2022 21:18

Her mother doesn't listen unfortunately. Dsd seems to have picked up a lot of bad habits from her in general and has become the product of how she’s being raised. Df doesn’t have a lot of say in this as he isn’t there.
i agree that I shouldn’t feel like this in my own home, but many people jump down a step mothers throat for feeling this way and not loving them like they love their own child. If I’m happy to let my own dd touch my belongings then it doesn’t put me in a good light that I don’t like dsd touching anything. I don’t want people to think I’m excluding her or picking on her, I’m just at the end of my tether. I’m absolutely exhausted with this pregnancy already, but I’ve been rushed off my feet all day cleaning and fixing things dsd has destroyed. I will speak to df tomorrow, you’re all right and I need to put a stop to it before the next visit.

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Britinme · 28/12/2022 21:24

If autism is a possibility, early intervention is the most helpful thing anybody can do for her throughout her time in education, and if Df wants the best for her (as I assume he does) he needs to stop being defensive about her and work with her mum to get her assessed.

Hopeforrainbows · 28/12/2022 21:50

Firstly you’ve recognised your dsd is struggling. All behaviours like this stem from their insecurities and feelings.

Secondly you’ve recognised that it can’t go on like it is. That’s not good for any of you but particularly actually for your dsd.

and third you’ve kind of highlighted yourself that communication is not effective in the family. You all need to be open so that despite parenting styles being different ( dsd has her mums, her dads and yours which all seem different) dsd knows how to communicate her feelings to each of you.

She might not know about the baby, but she will know something else is changing. She might not know how you are feeling about her, but she will be picking up on negativity. She might not know that her dad feels guilt, but she knows that he gives her attention when she pushes.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that you might think that dsd is the cause of this, but rather see it that her behaviour is the result of a situation. It’s the only thing she can control.

if I were you hun I’d sit down tonight with df and go down the line of you are worried for dsd because she is showing you that underneath she isn’t secure or happy. And from that what steps can you take together to help her to communicate those big feelings in different ways.

xxx

Violetthedamagedbutterfly · 28/12/2022 22:22

She is trying to control things- possibly because the separation between mum and dad. You need to put boundaries in place with her and df.-

  1. dad greets her at the doorway- no coming in until shoes off- buy her a nice pair of slippers to change into. We all take our shoes off here DSD
  2. have just one ‘help yourself shelf’ in fridge- make sure you get some of her favourites in, but don’t fill it full of food.
  3. Bedroom is a tough one,
-you could use of door stop on your side to stop her getting in- you would need to see what she wants if she tries it, or mum will say she doesn’t fell safe at yours -change lock to have a door which clicks shut when you leave the room, -install a lock to bedroom door when you aren’t in it and when in bed. if she asks why, explain it is privacy or security for when you aren’t in -only leave out things you don’t mind being touched and get used to it- In the grand scheme of things it really isn’t important.
  • keep personal stuff in your ( locked) bedroom
  • best option is to ask everyone to knock on doors- find opportunities to obviously knock on DD’s door and DSD’s door to model behaviour.
Just one final point, you don’t seem to like her much at the moment- try to do all you can to remember she is a little girl. Make sure you are providing her with one to one time with dad and you.

Try to get dad to spend a couple of hours out doing something with her- cinema, swimming, zoo etc ( but not shopping) you can sell this as him preparing for life post baby, when you will be required to nurse your baby. You still need to do something special with her- painting, cooking, baking, gardening, lego so she isn’t feeling pushed out. You will need to continue this when baby arrives.She is only there for one day out of every fourteen- her dad and you should be making it fun and enjoyable. She doesn’t see you often enough to just slot into home life.

Finally, children are very intuitive, she may have noticed you and df being more affectionate as you bond over the excitement of the pregnancy. Has mum got a partner, job which may account for the change?

PennyRa · 28/12/2022 22:26

You say you feel she might have SEN, have you tried treating her as though she has the DX and implementing special strategies?

FurAndFeathers · 28/12/2022 22:35

boomoohoo · 28/12/2022 21:05

Your dp can apply to the court for a child arrangements order, which will set out a contact plan that is in dsd 's best interests, that her mum will have to comply with. sounds like your dp might need this security in order to instill firmer boundaries for his child.

This
plus your DP needs to speak to her school to see if they’ve noticed anything.

He needs to get the contact sorted properly and then parent this poor child

lookluv · 28/12/2022 23:01

Kids do not suddenly change for no reason -something is upsetting this little girl and she is asking for attention and help in the only ways she can.
She wants you and DP to notice her behaviour and react - she wants attention.

She needs help.

What you need to be careful of is refusing her access to her Dads home and hating a child for asking for help. Locks can be put on and boundaries set in this house but her DF has to front up.

Someone needs to get this child someone to talk to and counsel - there will be an explanation and she will know more than you give her credit for.

SammyScrounge · 29/12/2022 00:39

Jojodiamond · 28/12/2022 20:19

Df and I have been together for 3 years, we’re expecting our first child together this summer. Df has a dd7 from a previous short term relationship. I have a dd12 from a previous relationship.
DSD visits every second weekend throughout the year - those are the conditions set by her mother. She has always been an easy, happy child who will listen and has a good bond with my DD.
In the past 3 months DSD has become increasingly difficult to be around. I know she’s just a child and my hormones probably aren’t helping, but she has stopped listening and started behaving rudely. It isn’t connected to the baby as we haven’t told her yet, and there have been no other changes in her life to warrant it as far as we are aware. She has plenty of attention from df and the wider family.
When she arrives on the Saturday morning she will suddenly start touching everything, rearranging ornaments/photos, whilst ignoring our hello’s and attempts at hugs. I don’t allow either child to go into our bedroom or wear shoes upstairs, but she then goes upstairs in her wet/muddy wellies and lays on our bed reading a magazine and helping herself to my perfumes. We gently coax her downstairs for snacks and to get her toys out, but she will walk past us and head straight for the fridge where she will bite into several snacks but not finish them. Df has to repeat himself several times before she is aware anyone is speaking to her, sometimes he has to be very abrupt but she is still oblivious. Then she’ll sit on the sofa and chose a movie to watch where she will proceed to blank us until it ends and climb all over the couch in her shoes (it’s fairly new and has tears in it now).
She finds it funny and sadly df let’s her walk over him due to guilt over the low contact. This exact ‘routine’ has happened 5 times in a row now. It gets worse through the day and she will even wander into our room throughout the night for ‘cuddles’ but we find her going through drawers in other rooms instead of going back to bed. I tend to sleep with one eye open when she stays.
If we have a day out together such as a park walk or an indoor play centre, she will demand things from shops that df will get her regardless of the price. It upsets me as he ignores dd exists in these cases, but I’ve made a point of buying dd the same if he does this. I’ve began encouraging him to take DSD out alone or with his parents recently.
i have asked df if everything is okay with her at home, I wondered if she is going through stress at home or perhaps even showing some signs of autism/adhd as she is never still. He doesn’t see an issue and lets her continue, while knowing I find it rude and upsetting. She’s essentially ruling the roost when she visits and it’s not fair on my dd who isn’t allowed to behave in this way in her own home, never mind to sit and watch her ss get away with it so she locks herself away all weekend.
I feel awful for thinking it but I’m very relieved and sadly so is dd, when dsd goes home. She stayed Monday and Tuesday this week rather than the Christmas weekend, and this is where my patience is lost. She destroyed some of dd gifts and ate all her selection boxes despite having her own. She didn’t thank anyone for her gifts, not even my family who kindly bought her some things. And worst of all she emptied playdoh on the stairs which took all of today to remove.
it’s got to the point where I don’t feel I can cope with her staying anymore because I’m constantly on edge wondering what she will do or break next time. I’ve been crying this evening knowing when the baby arrives it will be hell on earth juggling her behaviour while caring for a newborn, but I don’t feel like I can be open to df as she is his daughter so of course he thinks the world of her.
I’m sadly wondering if I made a huge mistake settling with someone who already had a child, and is too soft with punishments, Im clearly not built to be step mum. I’ve tried so hard to treat her like my dd and build a bond with her, but I’m beginning to resent how I feel in my home when she stays. Df does 90% of the care for her so I can keep away, but I know eventually it will become obvious how I feel. I don’t know how to approach the subject with df without it becoming an argument, but I know something needs to change before the baby arrives. Everyone has their own parenting style but I have always strongly disagreed with how she is raised, I kept my mouth shut about that because I’d never judge parents for choices they make, but those choices have resulted in a child who knows no boundaries. My parents think she is acting up because she doesn’t want her dad to have a new family, but she has had 3 years of us altogether and has never behaved this way before.
can anyone advise me of how to handle this? Please be kind, it’s a first for me and I’m at a loss what to do short of ending the engagement and relationship altogether.

I wouldn't let that girl anywhere near the new baby when it comes. She must never be alone with it.

TimBoothseyes · 29/12/2022 01:52

Does her mother have a husband/partner? I'm not suggesting that she is being abused or anything like that, I'm just wondering if there are tensions at home that she is reacting to.

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