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DSDs driving me crackers - baby on the way

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thelastoftheherriots · 16/11/2022 11:20

I'm having two main problems with my DSDs (7 and 12) which have been ongoing for a couple of years now, and am at the end of my tether. Looking for advice and pearls of wisdom on how to deal with them.

One is the mess they leave. They leave a trail of destruction behind them (probably like a lot of kids) and their bedrooms a state. I've tried the "lets tackle it together" approach, I've tried bribery, sticker charts and telling off. I've had A Big Talk with them. I've asked my DP to get on board with telling them to tidy up after themselves but with no progress, and I think it's unlikely this will change. I'm 8 months pregnant and I'm bending down multiple times a day to pick up other people's crap and am sick of it now, I'm not getting chance to do my studying or work that I should be doing and I'm certainly not going to have time once baby arrives. Up to now, I've felt disrespectful to our cleaner to leave it a mess, so I have been going in and tidying and she's been cleaning it. So from the kids point of view, they leave their rooms a tip and then turn up next time with them reset to perfection. I don't think it's doing them or anyone any favours.

My thoughts now is that I need to shut the doors and leave them to wallow in their own muck, only opening them to chuck stuff inside that's been left in communal areas. And ask the cleaner to do the same and forget that those two rooms exist. I think my DP will only get on board if I let things get bad, as from his perspective, he doesn't have to deal with the consequences and I sort it all out so it's not a problem. I pay for their Netflix so I could also cancel that and tell them it's because they're clearly watching too much and not getting time to keep things tidy.

Does this sound reasonable? Any other ideas?

The second issue is the bickering between them. I know sisters argue, but it's off the scales, as in, they're left alone for 5 minutes and there's screaming, crying, hitting. The older one physically hurts the younger one, which I hate to see. My DP deals with it in a very inconsistent way, sometimes properly (sending to rooms, having talks with them) and then other times not at all. They don't really have any consequences. If they were my children, I would be confiscating older DSDs phone, cancelling nice events etc but I don't feel I have the authority to do this. Again, I feel like I've tried everything and don't know where to go with it. It's at the point where I don't want to be around when they are, and make excuses not to be here which is a shame as we do have a good relationship (or used to, but this is affecting it now). I used to do a lot with them but don't anymore and have stepped right back, and refused to go on holiday with them this year as they ruined the last one we went on with the constant arguing, but it isn't really how I want it to be. I want us to be a family, but it's going to end up as two separate entities (me and baby, my DP and his kids) if things continue as they are.

I know a lot of this is a DP problem for not tackling it, but honestly I think he's a bit out of his depth with two headstrong daughters, the practical side of parenting is just not his strength and I'm fairly committed now and not in a position (practically or mentally) to leave. He does have many, many good points, this really being the only sticking point. There are a lot of things keeping me here. I'm not prepared just yet to remove my baby from the lovely life she will have, and the nice family she will have if we can sort out these problems so LTB isn't really an option for me at the moment - not until I've exhausted other options. Any success stories/ideas of tackling these problems or making life more tolerable welcome as I'm stressed out to hell and exhausted before baby even gets here and I don't want my maternity leave or time with my child ruined by this.

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Daisychainsx · 16/11/2022 12:28

Definitely close the door and let them wallow. Cancel Netflix and explain why. And change the WiFi password, only to be given to them when their chores are done (if that's something they're interested in).

Or you could try the 'whatever is on the floor is getting donated so if you leave your room a mess, don't expect your things to be there when you get back'. And actually go through with it. If you don't want to donate things, bag them up and put them in the attic, they won't know any different. As for the arguing, I'd say while Dsd are in your home you are allowed to set consequences for their behaviour. The last thing you want is them arguing and fighting with a newborn in the house.

I'd make the nursery beautiful, show them it and say 'if only your rooms were kept tidy we could decorate them too!'.

ForgetBarbie · 16/11/2022 12:33

Why can’t he simply just tell his kids that they need to tidy up their mess? I don’t understand the issue here

Allthegoodusernamesareused · 16/11/2022 12:47

I don't have step children, but I do have two very untidy DC. I work full time, as does DH and can't pick up after everyone all the time. The only thing I have ever found that works (for us) is to have a period of time every day where everyone tidies away. It's usually after dinner, and if the kids don't comply, I switch off the WiFi until they have removed all their clutter from communal areas, and picked up in their rooms. I don't clean their rooms (12 & 18 years old now) they are responsible for them, but it's my house and I won't tolerate a shit hole.

Ohhmydays · 16/11/2022 12:53

Leave everything and TELL your partner to get it done if not give the children 30mins and if they don’t tidy away there mess black bag it and put it in the bin. I done this once with my oldest who was about 8 at the time and after the first black bag went in the bin he knew I was serious and never seen him move so fast to tidy the rest. After that the mention of black bags made him tidy quicker than jack flash lol

brighterthanthemoon · 16/11/2022 13:07

I'd make the nursery beautiful, show them it and say 'if only your rooms were kept tidy we could decorate them too!'. ooh no I'd not do that. You don't want them to resent the baby.

lunar1 · 16/11/2022 13:15

All these things need addressing by your partner. But not now, you literally couldn't pick a worse time.

What those children need now is consistency, stability and to know for sure that your baby isn't going to make their life worse in their eyes.

These changes needed to happen before your pregnancy, but because they haven't I would wait. If you don't all that will happen is your step children will blame you and your baby.

brighterthanthemoon · 16/11/2022 13:19

lunar1 · 16/11/2022 13:15

All these things need addressing by your partner. But not now, you literally couldn't pick a worse time.

What those children need now is consistency, stability and to know for sure that your baby isn't going to make their life worse in their eyes.

These changes needed to happen before your pregnancy, but because they haven't I would wait. If you don't all that will happen is your step children will blame you and your baby.

I don't think having to tidy up so a baby doesn't eat their stuff is making their life worse

Gooseysgirl · 16/11/2022 13:24

Netflix... no access until the tidying is done, end of. Password protect it.

Beamur · 16/11/2022 13:33

Your DP needs to grow a spine and stop being feeble. It won't get easier once you have a baby in the mix too and you will resent him being a feeble parent for that child too..
Rooms - stop tidying them. Tell them if they don't leave them tidy they won't be cleaned as you cannot do it for them now. Follow through.
Arguing - if your DP won't sort it, tell him you will and you expect him to back you up. Follow through.
Mess - get a basket per child and pick every item up that's out of place. Put in their room. Shut door.
Have agreed rules about what is allowed so it's not all negative. Follow through!
Stop negotiating.
The above - give or take - worked for us. I have 2 SC and a shared DD with DH.
We didn't have set chores but expected compliance with requests. No squabbles were tolerated. No pocket money was regularly given but we funded what they needed and gave spending money when they went out. I didn't tidy rooms but would do laundry - but only clothes placed in laundry bin. Clothes on floor stayed there.
We all get along well.

Yousee · 16/11/2022 14:05

I got sick of other peoples mess when I was pregnant so I told DH that I now had strict criteria for what I would and would not be picking up off the floor -

  1. did I leave it there - no, so why the fuck should I have to pick it up?
  2. is it mine - no, so why the fuck should I have to pick it up?
  3. do I personally benefit from picking it up - no, so why the fuck should I have to pick it up? So his and the kids stuff pay where it fell. Think it was a bit of an eye opener for him. As for the Kids rooms, I recommend a "Fuck it bucket" where you chuck whatever crap they leave around the house in there then dump it on their beds and shut the door on the chaos. If they and their dad don't care about whether they have a nice room, I struggle to see why you should care?
HoHoHowMuch · 16/11/2022 15:28

I you don't feel it is your place to enforce consequences and your partner won't, how will you react when they fight with their new sibling too?I would be more concerned about that than the mess. Have a rule that anything left lying around goes in the bin.

thelastoftheherriots · 16/11/2022 16:02

Thank you everyone, I'm taking all the suggestions on board.

@ForgetBarbie I don't understand it either!

Re there not being a worse time @lunar1, this has been an ongoing issue for over 2 years so not a new thing. They KNOW it's been an issue because I've made it clear that it is. It's just that now, I'm physically incapable of keeping on top of it myself and when baby is born, I wont have time. The 12 year old at least is surely old enough to see a heavily pregnant woman tidying up her shit and know that it isn't right - she's not far off as tall as I am! It's pure laziness and selfishness.

@brighterthanthemoon and @Daisychainsx I can't do that as we don't have a nursery - we're reluctant to make the girls share, partly due to the bickering and partly because we are being careful to make sure they don't resent baby - so don't want them to feel pushed out of their bedrooms. But when they're not even respecting their rooms it does make it hard to stomach.

@HoHoHowMuch if either of them tried to treat my child in the same way, particularly the physical stuff, I'd wipe the floor with them, and it would be separate living arrangements if I thought she was in any danger at all. I've suggested counselling numerous times for the older one, as have their grandparents, as I don't think its normal how she is with her much younger sister and neither do they. DPs solution was to have her an extra night and take her to her extra-curriculum activity she enjoys to give her some 1-2-1 time with him and away from her sister (fair enough) but it doesn't seem to have improved things when they are back together. If anything, she now gets loads of extra attention, skiing trips, new clothes and furniture etc. Everyone seems to be pandering to it and treating her with kid gloves and I believe she's picked up on that and is playing on it. They're not stupid.

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Belowpar · 16/11/2022 16:08

OP i feel for you. I was in a pretty much identical situation only 4 months ago.

I found mumsnet to be incredibly judgemental and assumptive too, but there are good eggs here so ignore the ones who are out to judge.

Its a difficult situation and no one needs to know more backstories! I just dumped their crap on the bed and shut the door. Or depending on your patience, leave it. I would strongly recommend the nacho kids method. Google it, its fantastic and full of support and advice from people who have actual experience in these situations with blended families and are brilliant step parents.

Congratulations and Good luck! Its gets easier and I bet the kids will want to help out once your new baby arrives. One other tip, try and keep the girls involved once baby comes. I promise you it'll get better.

thelastoftheherriots · 16/11/2022 16:22

Belowpar · 16/11/2022 16:08

OP i feel for you. I was in a pretty much identical situation only 4 months ago.

I found mumsnet to be incredibly judgemental and assumptive too, but there are good eggs here so ignore the ones who are out to judge.

Its a difficult situation and no one needs to know more backstories! I just dumped their crap on the bed and shut the door. Or depending on your patience, leave it. I would strongly recommend the nacho kids method. Google it, its fantastic and full of support and advice from people who have actual experience in these situations with blended families and are brilliant step parents.

Congratulations and Good luck! Its gets easier and I bet the kids will want to help out once your new baby arrives. One other tip, try and keep the girls involved once baby comes. I promise you it'll get better.

Thanks @Belowpar - I do try to get them involved, the younger one particularly seems excited but I think both will probably be quite jealous when she arrives - they're used to all my attention. I will continue to involve them and get them on board though. DP needs to pull his finger out, I know that.

I've heard of the nacho kids method and will read up on it. I don't want to step back completely, I DO want us to be a family, and I know they do too, but I need to put myself and baby first for a while.

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Orangesare · 16/11/2022 16:42

The tidying is probably the least of the issues, it’s the behaviour because that’s what’s your child will pick up on and copy. It’s incredibly difficult to get a toddler in to line when all they see is poor behaviour from others.

brighterthanthemoon · 16/11/2022 16:44

Orangesare · 16/11/2022 16:42

The tidying is probably the least of the issues, it’s the behaviour because that’s what’s your child will pick up on and copy. It’s incredibly difficult to get a toddler in to line when all they see is poor behaviour from others.

It's fine you just say no you can't do that. They say why not SS does it and then you just explain thays because SS's parents don't care.

Lilithslove · 16/11/2022 16:48

Yousee · 16/11/2022 14:05

I got sick of other peoples mess when I was pregnant so I told DH that I now had strict criteria for what I would and would not be picking up off the floor -

  1. did I leave it there - no, so why the fuck should I have to pick it up?
  2. is it mine - no, so why the fuck should I have to pick it up?
  3. do I personally benefit from picking it up - no, so why the fuck should I have to pick it up? So his and the kids stuff pay where it fell. Think it was a bit of an eye opener for him. As for the Kids rooms, I recommend a "Fuck it bucket" where you chuck whatever crap they leave around the house in there then dump it on their beds and shut the door on the chaos. If they and their dad don't care about whether they have a nice room, I struggle to see why you should care?

This is excellent advice

Lilithslove · 16/11/2022 16:49

thelastoftheherriots · 16/11/2022 11:40

Thank you, that's helpful - I'll put her up for adoption.

Excellent response to the usual unhelpful comments OP

MeridianB · 16/11/2022 17:19

Bloody hell, OP, you have the patience of a saint to be putting up with all this nonsense while 8months pregnant.

Your DP must step up now.

He needs:

Zero tolerance for physical fights.
Zero tolerance for mess in communal areas.

If they do this they both get punished. No wifi, no TV for X amount of time, with an extra 30 mins taken off for every complaint about the punishment.

It sounds like some nice 1:1 time with the 7yo would balance out the avalanche of attention her sister is getting, too. Or switch and do one extra night with 12yo and next week with 7yo.

thelastoftheherriots · 16/11/2022 21:00

Lilithslove · 16/11/2022 16:49

Excellent response to the usual unhelpful comments OP

Thank you, stable doors and bolted horses spring to mind 😄

@MeridianB I don't know about patience, I've lost my shit at all 3 of them in recent weeks, not that its made a blind bit of difference.

The dog has had fish fingers, chips and pizza for tea courtesy of the youngest dumping her plate on the coffee table rather than walking the 3 metres to the bin and dishwasher. She can clean up any presents in the morning 😟

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LorW · 16/11/2022 23:43

Honestly, just get your partner to pick up and put anything they leave in the communal areas on their bed and shut the door, don’t even think about the mess, it’s their personal space so if they want to live like that, then let them, don’t make it a hill to die on. Your DP being inconvenienced every time he has to pick something up also might make him realise. The fighting I would just keep them separated as much as possible, new baby might give them a new focus from each other.

Kanaloa · 16/11/2022 23:48

What do you mean ‘the practical side of parenting is not his strength?’ What is his strength, the theory of parenting?

I never hear people make these weak and pathetic excuses for women. If a mother left the house a mess and let her almost teen physically attack a much younger sibling nobody would coo ‘oh she’s a bit out of her depth with those headstrong girls, the practical side of parenting just isn’t her strength.’

You are making this a stepchild issue. It isn’t one. You have a husband who expects you to clean up after his children and refuses to do even the basic parenting to ensure both girls are safe. This is his job. If he truly can’t cope as they’re too ‘headstrong’ he needs to look into parenting classes and support.

EKGEMS · 17/11/2022 02:01

What loving,caring partner watches his heavily pregnant wife bending over picking things up off the floor left by his feral daughters? You could trip and fall and get injured! I don't have any advice other than in about six weeks you're going to need a hell of a lot of additional support from family and friends with what you've described with a newborn and you trying to recover and cope with a new baby

Pixiedust1234 · 17/11/2022 02:18

Either you dump everything in their room and shut the door or anything you pick up goes into a binbag and garage. If its still in the garage after two weeks it goes in the wheeliebin.

Stop changing their bedding, their father can fight through the mess to do that, same for cleaning. Either they do it or he does it. Walk away from it.

Get some earplugs and ignore all fights unless they get physical. Then you lose your shit at all three and seperate the girls into different rooms. Then lose your shit at dp again.

Do not allow chocolate, raisins or grapes in your house if they regularly leave food around that your dog eats. They don't need to know they killed the family pet and this will happen at some point, its unavoidable they way they are behaving.

Back away, let dp step up. If he doesnt then start thinking if you want this life for the next twenty years.

TheOnlyBeeInYourBonnet · 17/11/2022 02:43

I just don't understand why women walk right into these predicaments then complain.

But now that you have, I'd suggest completely going on strike. Look after yourself and your new baby, and leave the others to fend for themselves. If something's in your way, sweep it onto the floor or kick it off to one side where you can ignore it until the culprit deals with it. Set up your bedroom nicely so you can retreat and hang out there when the clutter and noise gets too much.

You can't change people, you can only change your response to them.