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Is it just me...

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Rosebella215 · 27/07/2022 11:53

Is it just me or do most of the problems seem to arise when the agreement is 50/50?

It's just an observation and I could be wrong, but it seems to me that when 50/50 split is in place and there's not a 'primary parent' so to speak, that more complications develop. In my opinion it's because boundaries tend to be more blurred...

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Steptoeandson · 28/07/2022 08:08

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RedWingBoots · 28/07/2022 08:14

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Either ignore or call them out.

CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 28/07/2022 08:18

I think the other poster is actually missing the point. She’s gone straight to the most simplistic explanation (selfish adults who want insta families 🙄) and missed all the enormous complexity.

There is no possible way to meet her expectations. In fact, doing all the right things - waiting to meet the children, being careful about how you spend time with them before you even consider moving in together/getting married - mean that there is no way of really knowing what blended family life will be like.

Or if anticipating the way a whole system of people will respond to the new stepfamily. Or how things will change over time.

But let’s just pretend that people should anticipate that a decade in you might still get no positives from having SC (and a considerable number of negatives). And villify the kind, well meaning women who find themselves in this situation and just suck it up for not keeping quiet because it upsets people to consider that their children aren’t the light in the lives of everyone the touch.

RedWingBoots · 28/07/2022 08:28

@Greensleeves I like another poster was a step-child and am now a step-parent. Nearly all my siblings could post on this board as step-children as being individuals we all have different experiences of being step-children.

However as this board is called step-parenting they don't as they aren't step-parents.

So why are you posting on this board if you are not a step-parent?

Steptoeandson · 28/07/2022 09:09

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DebussytoaDiscoBeat · 28/07/2022 09:46

As a childless woman myself, if I were to post on the parenting section of MN I wouldn't presume that my voice would be every bit as relevant as those of women who are actual parents, just because I was a child myself once. Of course I can have an opinion but I would be in no position to presume that my own perception and experience can be generalised across most parenting set-ups.

I grew up in a together family with a physically and verbally abusive father and a mother whose own coping mechanism was to work away so we barely saw her. You'd think that would give me some insight into what to avoid in my own relationships but no, I ended up married to an almost identically abusive ExH. Do I therefore think most relationships are inherently bad therefore children shouldn't be brought into them? No. It also helps explain why I eventually fell in love with a man with children because despite the step-parenting challenges I faced, he was and is the most kind hearted, loving and respectful person I have ever had in my life.

People with no personal experience of being a step parent often have very little insight as to the insidious drip-drip-drip of micro events and dynamics which appear petty or insignificant in and of themselves, but cumulatively result in the kind of posts we see on this board. It’s the step-parenting equivalent of “she divorced me because I left my dishes by the sink.”
E.g. something as simple as me asking DSC if they could put their apple cores in the bin instead of leaving them on the carpet - it was just a request, not followed by an “or else…” - resulted in mum angrily texting to DH “don’t let her discipline the children!!” So of course when a similar incident cropped up I knew there’d be “consequences” if I said anything hence the dilemma of “how do I deal with this seemingly simple scenario without having to run to DH each time to sort it out?”

Other SMs would also recognise the further subtext of “and how do I cope with the effect on my mental health by yet another example of feeling powerless in my own home, exacerbated by already having to live my life dictated around the DC’s access schedule which I obviously expected/accepted when I moved in with DH but I had no idea there’d be all these other innocuous events easily dealt with in a 'together' family but causes a shitstorm in a step family. I’m exhausted treading this tightrope where nothing I do just 'is' - literally my every action is judged and scrutinised and interpreted as evidence of whether I like his kids or not.” (I'd also wager that right now the anti step parent posters will be thinking something along the lines of "I bet Debussy was always pulling her DSC up in other ways and that was the final straw.")

It’s this kind of understanding that makes direct experience relevant when responding to posts on Step-Parenting but trying to point it out on this board results in accusations of only wanting an echo chamber. I know people think they’re simply advocating on behalf of the children but what’s so frustrating and unfair about this board is the underlying assumption that all step parents/step parenting situations are inherently selfish by default and we therefore hadn’t already taken the children’s needs or feelings into consideration before posting.
It’s the same reason that questions such as “were you the OW” are so unhelpful - SM bashers probably assume it grates because we’re offended at being accused of being the OW. However what's actually the issue is the prejudice that drives this and other “SM bingo” statements such as “does he pay maintenance?” (when it’s clearly unrelated to the situation in the OP) - basically an underlying attitude of “let’s establish why this situation is likely to be your fault”. It’s the equivalent of going onto every infidelity thread in Relationships and posting “what did you do to drive him to have an affair?”

Sorry that was so long! and breathe

Steptoeandson · 28/07/2022 09:55

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Catfordthefifth · 28/07/2022 10:01

I don't think it's 50/50 specifically, I think it's the involvement of one or both parents who are arseholes. I think it's you're amicable, 50/50 can work perfectly well.

Step parenting was easier for me when we had DSS all the time because his mother couldn't interfere.

Lilithslove · 28/07/2022 10:54

I don't think that there is an optimal amount of contact time that magically doesn't cause issues. It is dependent on all sorts of variables, including the personalities and preferences of those involved which you can't account for until you are in the situation.

Rosebella215 · 28/07/2022 11:13

The phrase 'leading two different lives' when referring to step children also seems to crop up a lot of this board and it generally is being referred to as a negative thing.

Well yes, that is in essence what happens but that doesn't have to be a negative thing at all. Quite the opposite in fact. And also, couldn't we argue that the reason a lot of marriages fail is because they are deep down different people (hence it not working out), and so of course there will be differences for the children when visiting mum or dad?

My DSD for example knows that when she comes to ours, she does her horse-riding and there will be a slightly different routine with different rules. We pull her up on manners a lot more (that's quite evident) and she's not allowed to just go and help herself to food at ours either. In my personal experience, my partner and his ex wife are two completely different people with different views etc so the two households are never going to be the same.

Growing up also I went from being an only child at my mums who lived quite a privileged life due to her work, to going to my dads with two brothers where money was tight. Did I enjoy one more than the other? Nope. Did I love going to both houses? Yup. My life was completely different in the two households but I genuinely loved it.

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CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 28/07/2022 12:39

The two different homes can, potentially be like two different worlds, and the onus tends to be on the stepparent to compromise to reduce the difference for the child.

And to live with not just a reminder of but the requirement to put your own needs behind the ongoing consequences of (what are sometimes frankly terrible) choices your husband made in the past because the children need consistency in their lives. Knowing your husband had a relationship in the past with someone whose behaviour, choices and values you find abhorrent is one thing. But when you have to not just live with the ongoing effects of it, but expose your children to things you really find objectionable is hard.

it’s not just big things. It can be the issues caused by not just a complete lack of manners in your SC, but them being brought up by someone who positively encourages rude, demanding behaviour. The day to day issue may be that they never say please or thank you and shout ‘I want…’ all the time. But you can’t change this and have to be careful in challenging that because that is behaviour not just tolerated but encouraged in their main home. Indeed, behaving in ways that ensure you get things ahead of or instead of others is positively celebrated. This can have knock on effects in relation to your own children where you’re so constrained in what you can do that it’s a losing battle. It’s simply not possible to SAY to your children anything that communicates ‘Your half siblings are brought up by an awful person so it’s not their fault that they are incredibly rude. We have to make allowances for them but we expect much better from you’. Even where that is the truth.

SpaceshiptoMars · 28/07/2022 13:16

It’s simply not possible to SAY to your children anything that communicates ‘Your half siblings are brought up by an awful person so it’s not their fault that they are incredibly rude. We have to make allowances for them but we expect much better from you’. Even where that is the truth.

It is possible, though, to say that you have a different approach to parenting, and as they are your children, your rules apply to them?

I don't have an ex to contend with, but my eldest DSC has tried very hard to be the rule-setter in my home. It's like they think they channel the sacred essence of departed Mum who must be obeyed by me (except DH tells me she wouldn't have stood for that nonsense, DSC is just inventing stuff that would advantage them and put them in control!) NB, eldest DSC is well and truly an adult and has never lived with us!

Anyway, I'm deceptively placid, and people get a surprise when they try to push me around! I'm stubborn as, and I can out-stubborn a catGrin

Steptoeandson · 28/07/2022 14:08

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thatsnotmynamec · 28/07/2022 14:57

When me and exh split we initially did 4 nights with me and 3 at his. When he moved in with his gf it changed to 1 night and eow at his to match her custody arrangements. When he moved away we dropped the one night. When they hit teenage years it became as and when.

Sellorkeep · 28/07/2022 15:05

thatsnotmynamec · 28/07/2022 14:57

When me and exh split we initially did 4 nights with me and 3 at his. When he moved in with his gf it changed to 1 night and eow at his to match her custody arrangements. When he moved away we dropped the one night. When they hit teenage years it became as and when.

What a shit dad

CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 28/07/2022 16:40

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Problem is though where the children’s father has decided that the rules in your house have to be relaxed for the SC because he knows his ex is basically dragging them up.

So you are left in a situation where you actually have to tell your DC that you expect more from them. The standards are higher for them than the SC. And that’s not unfairly harsh for them.

You end up in a pretty irreconcilable situation where there is no way to explain why the SC are allowed to behave in some pretty terrible ways without admitting the reason is that they are brought up by someone whose values are unacceptable in this house.

Steptoeandson · 28/07/2022 16:50

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CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 28/07/2022 17:05

I guess a very minor example might be you have an expectation that your children eat the same meal as everyone else. You are trying to create a good attitude to food so that your children might eat a balanced diet. Food is served, people are positive about that food, the children are encouraged to try it and such like. Nothing weird or oppressive.

But the SC only eats takeaway junk food. Their mum only feeds them this. She doesn’t cook. They’re older than the other children. There are no SN. It’s just the path of least resistance. They’re loudly vocal about their disgust for other food and won’t just quietly eat their take away without complaining they don’t like what everyone else is doing.

What do you do? You can’t just feed everyone take away for lunch and dinner 5/14 days (and sometimes for 2 week blocks). That’s ridiculous. Feeding the SC junk take away while everyone else eats something else is challenging because their horrible attitude about food is very clear to your children. And it is an influence on how they perceive and approach food. Especially since they’re so often there. Feeding your children earlier means you aren’t able to create a good family meal experience for them. And it’s excluding your children because of the SC. Feeding your SC separately from everyone else is excluding them. You can’t change anything about the dominant influences in their life or get their mother to do anything differently.

So you find yourself stuck. Your ability to raise your children in a way that matters to you is fundamentally affected by the choices made in another household. And you can’t just say ‘well the rules are different for SC’ without it causing a whole set of other issues.

You didn’t know that you’d be dealing with this shit several years down the line. You thought the ridiculous fussy eating phase would pass. Or that another parent actually would only feed their child that way. One your idiot partner chose to have kids with.

Take that and multiply it by a million other small differences between households and an ex who pulls contact if her rules don’t apply everywhere. Sounds like fun. Doesn’t it?

Steptoeandson · 28/07/2022 17:52

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CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 28/07/2022 18:00

I would rather DSC not like being here because of our rules than raise them poorly or in a way that negatively affects DC. On principal too as I want DSC to be nice people, I’ll do what I can to make that happen.

unfortunately many parents (and posters on MN) would totally disagree. 😩

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