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First day drama

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Countlesswaystolove · 02/09/2021 16:53

First time posting. Just would like feedback on this situation and advice to move forward.

Backstory
My DH and his Exwife divorced many years ago due to her having an affair and kicking my DH out soon after they had their youngest child.

They did not have the greatest co parent relationship, which got more difficult when the affair relationship failed and then went further down the tube when I became a permanent fixture in my DH life (please note – I met him once they were already divorced) My DH always paid maintenance and anything else the children needed. We were lucky that all our children got on from the start and always asked to be together. So, we had them most weekends and during the week, this suited DH ex as she wanted to be out at the weekends.
There co parent relationship will eb and flow, its normally better when she has a partner. Over the two years my DH ex has not had the greatest time, her business failed, covid then hit and she met someone and had another LO. She is no longer with LO dad, but she has struggled with a lot and has not had much money as she can not find a job due to childcare issues. I do feel bad for her, as much as she has done us wrong – if the mother is hurting then, then so are the kids.
My husband and I have managed to be ok during the pandemic, so we talked it over and he gives her extra money on top of her maintenance (when we can afford the extra). We also brought the kids clothes to keep at their mother home, as they are growing so fast and its not cheap to keep replacing. Anything else the kids have needed we have covered between the two of us. Also, the other week my DH eldest told him that their mother has gone to the food bank, as they had nothing in. So, we went to Costco and got her shopping to fill her cupboards, fridge and freezer. We also brought nappies for her baby.
He took it round to her and she did text me a “thank you”, which made me feel that we were finally moving to a better place. She asked my DH if he could cover all the school cost this year, which he said that was not a problem and she sent the list over. Lucky the kids were with us most of the six week’s so we went out and got all the school stuff in one day (yes, it almost killed me!). We got everything on the list - shoes, uniform plus PE kits and school stationary. We handed everything over to her, so she could run though everything and check that we had not missed anything. Again, I got a text to say thank you. So, I thought everything was settled.
Today
My DH asked his ex to send him the first day back photo – he had an early meeting that could not be rearranged, so could not do the first day back to school. She sent a photo and the youngest is wearing old joggers, old black trainers, and old school t-shirts. The other two are in High School and their uniform is set in stone. My husband asked her where the new uniform was and her reply as follows;

  1. The uniform was s**t
  2. She did not like the brand
  3. The shoes are horrible and don’t go with joggers He said DSC look untidy and the top was far too small to wear. She went on to scream down the phone that DSC will wear what she tells them too and that the new tops will be used when the old tops fall apart. She then went on to accuse him of not caring or being involved with the kids. She then ranted that he was useless and that he could not get even a uniform list right before hanging up. My DH is fuming as he believes that she had her friends around her and that is the reason for the outburst. I told him that the kids know that we do everything in our power to make sure they are ok, and they know that we have been trying to help their mum and that is all that matters. But the bitter side of me is raging, I don’t expect her to be grovelling at our feet because we helped her. But a little acknowledgement that we are trying to help her even after all the bad blood between us. But for her to scream in down the phone at my DH like that because he asked about the uniform, she asked us to get – I mean come on was it necessary? And if she did not like the uniform, then why not text me to ask for it be changed? I could have done that -we had enough time. Maybe I was naive thinking that this was the start of a good co parent relationship. What would you do now? My husband wants to stop helping her out, part of me agrees but the other part is thinking, “let’s keep building bridges – she cant burn them all down”. Any advice would be gratefully received. And for context, I am not sure if the ex LO is helping out at all.
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LemonFrog · 02/09/2021 18:11

It would be the last favour I did her I can tell you that much.

sassbott · 02/09/2021 18:15

I can see that the children were with you most of the summer hols. How much are they with you normally? And how are they after they spend time with their mum?

RedMarauder · 02/09/2021 18:42

My husband wants to stop helping her out, part of me agrees but the other part is thinking, “let’s keep building bridges – she cant burn them all down”

Unfortunately yes she can.

There have been enough posts on this board showing that ex-wives can turn their charm on and off to get what they need.

Just concentrate on ensuring the children don't suffer.

Also you should stop communicating with her and leave all communication to your DH. That way she can't turn on you.

IWasBornInAThunderstorm · 02/09/2021 19:00

Stop trying to help her

Countlesswaystolove · 02/09/2021 19:20

@sassbott The kids were here about 4 and half weeks over the six week holiday. It was always supposed to be EOW, but that very rarely happened and we had nearly them every weekend, but like I said all the children wanted to together. The older they are getting we are giving them more choice but so far they always chose to come here - the older ones will go out with friends during the day but sleep here, as they love my cooking! My Dh has been told many times that we can lower the maintenance as they are here all the time, but he would rather keep things as they are as everything was arranged by the CMS.

@RedMarauder I am normally low contact with her. Due to her actions in the past, I have not spoken face to face to her in years. To give you an recent example; she sent me a text telling me that when her baby was born I had to have it over the same weekends as DSC, as she did not want all of her children split up! So the two "thank you" texts were a very pleasant change.

My DH has came home and told me that he has came to a decision. He is no longer giving her extra money. But will continue to buy the stuff for the DSC when they need it - even if it is for the mums home.

I told him that it worries me when the kids say that the cupboards are bare, I don't want them to go hungry. He said that they should be good for a while as we got them a load of stuff from Costco, but we can top if up when we go Costco next - but we are not buying nappies as that should be the ex and the LO dads responsibility - not his.

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IWasBornInAThunderstorm · 02/09/2021 19:22

To give you an recent example; she sent me a text telling me that when her baby was born I had to have it over the same weekends as DSC, as she did not want all of her children split up! how bizarre!

Your DH seems to have a good plan though.

sassbott · 02/09/2021 19:27

Honestly? In that case, I would seek to have the children with you as much as possible until she finds her feet. They need food, they can eat at yours.

RedMarauder · 02/09/2021 19:27

OP block her on your phone.

Every single bit of communication is now to go through your DH and not you. She is nothing to do with you as you were never in a relationship with her and don't have children with her.

And yes your DH is right.

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."

Jessaas · 02/09/2021 19:30

she sent me a text telling me that when her baby was born I had to have it over the same weekends as DSC, as she did not want all of her children split up!

Hahaha! How did you respond to that? Crazy bitch.

Babyiskickingmyribs · 02/09/2021 19:39

OP, is it possible that as she’s really struggling financially she may have sold the new uniform for the primary aged child? She may have desperately needed the cash for rent or something. And she’s hoping things will improve and she’ll be able to buy the same items again in a few weeks? But for now she’s in super defensive mode because she doesn’t want to admit how bad things have got? It doesn’t excuse her outburst obviously.

lunar1 · 02/09/2021 19:42

That outburst makes it sound like she could have been drunk. She's well and truly burned her bridges.

IWasBornInAThunderstorm · 02/09/2021 19:47

Like Babyiskickingmyribs I too thought maybe she sold/returned it?

Halo1234 · 02/09/2021 19:48

You can't reason with the unreasonable. And its ashame because ultimately the kids that suffer.
But you need to stop. There is no point in you spending your hard end Cash on uniforms they don't get to wear. You have done all you can.....how old are the kids? Good luck op thats a tough situation.

Bananarama21 · 02/09/2021 19:52

Problem is you help out and she takes the piss

HeartsAndClubs · 02/09/2021 20:00

It would be the last favour I ever did for her.

Your DH seems to be on top of it though. I would just let him make these decisions from now on, and I would encourage the kids to eat at yours.

Would your DH consider going for full residency? The kids are practically living there anyway aren’t they?

Countlesswaystolove · 03/09/2021 07:55

Update:
Hi, Like I said my DH has decided to stop giving her the extra money and he wrote her a long text about what happened this morning. To keep it brief, he did not appreciate the screaming down the phone. If the uniform was no good to give it back and he will exchange it. Going forward the extra money he sent over will stop and she will just receive her normal maintenance. He was upset as he generally wanted to help her out during this time and because of her accusations he now feels like he should have not even tried.
Her response;

  1. I have given the bottoms away as they were a plie of s**t
  2. Fine they can wear "your precious new tops"
  3. Take back the s**t shoes - they look cheap anyway.
  4. Ohh I should be so thankful because you and your wife gave me food, come and take it all back then - take food out of your kids mouths
5.You are a s**t dad

I could go on but I think you get the idea. DH just responded with please re read my text - offered to get the uniform exchanged and never mentioned taking the food back. He then stopped responding to her texts, which started to turn very nasty. Good news is that she did not text me!

To answer your questions.
@IWasBornInAThunderstorm and @Jessaas - The text demanding we take her new baby was mental. But at that stage I was no contact, but she does have my number, I just showed my DH and did not respond. My DH just text her and told her that he does not have to take responsibly for her new LO. Cue rant texts.

@sassbott and @HeartsAndClubs we have asked the kids if they want to live here, and that they have a choice. But they want to stay there as it is close to their school and friends. Which I totally get. They know they can pick up the phone and they can come her to stay or just to eat. We let them have that power of choice.

@lunar1 as much as don't like the woman, I will have to defend her to say I don't think she would be drunk at 08:30 in the morning at a primary school. She is many things but not that.

In regards to her money situation, I only know the above. Normally the kids tell us first and my DH will text/call her to confirm. I did mention this theory to my DH last night, but he is said he can only do what he can do. Its playing on his mind about what money she is getting (if any) from the LO dad. But at the end of the day its none of his business.

With texting his ex. Like I said I am low contact. She would normally text me to be rude or rant. I would never respond. She has my number because the eldest DSC have it. The last month I have had to contact her with pick up and drop off times - if my DH is not here in the evening. DH dad is very ill, and DH and siblings take it in turns to check up on him (DH mum left years ago). But all it is, "DSC will be ready at 18:00", that's it.

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aSofaNearYou · 03/09/2021 08:18

She sounds unhinged. In all seriousness I would wonder if there was something going on with her mental health. She seems volatile in bizarre ways.

I think you're 100% doing the right thing by not giving her any more money, but I would also seriously consider pursuing having the children with you more.

Youseethethingis · 03/09/2021 11:52

It sounds like a reset is required. If you have the kids almost all of the holidays, every weekend, and during the week too, shouldn't she be paying maintenance to your DH? And if the kids live with you she won't have to struggle to feed them anymore?
I know you said the kids don't want to buy what kids want and what kids need aren't necessarily always the same thing.

vivainsomnia · 03/09/2021 12:15

She is either a horrible person, or she is going through serious troubling times that makes her lost the plot.

You and your OH sounds wonderful, the kids are very lucky.

LittleMysSister · 03/09/2021 14:46

OP do not give her any more help at all.

Don't worry about the kids saying the cupboards are bare, they know they can come to you at any time anyway.

Do not help this woman any more, she sounds awful.

SandyY2K · 03/09/2021 16:22

She sounds very unhinged.
Her responses sound very immature and ungrateful. From saying thank you, she starts screaming. It's like she's having a bit of a breakdown.

I'm not making excuses for her, but with a new baby, dad no longer with her, having to go to food banks....I think she's lost the plot and is a bit removed from reality at the moment.

To try and say your DH doesn't care about the kids after all the help and support he's given recently, just shows she is unable to see reality.

Aren't the high school kids old enough to put on the new uniform that your DH bought themselves?

kirinm · 03/09/2021 19:53

She doesn't sound very well. Those responses seem totally bizarre. I think what you and your DH have been doing is extremely kind and as long as the kids know that if they are hungry or struggling in some way that they can come to you, I guess you have to stop helping.

Does she have any mental health issues?

RedMarauder · 03/09/2021 20:22

@kirinm unfortunately a lot of the posts on this part of MN are about mothers who send nasty messages to their ex partner, who is the father of their children, and sometimes his current partner. It doesn't mean the mother has a mental health issue.

kirinm · 03/09/2021 20:25

[quote RedMarauder]@kirinm unfortunately a lot of the posts on this part of MN are about mothers who send nasty messages to their ex partner, who is the father of their children, and sometimes his current partner. It doesn't mean the mother has a mental health issue.[/quote]
Yes I do appreciate that. But having no money and a new baby could have tipped her over the edge even if she is usually not very pleasant.

HollowTalk · 03/09/2021 20:43

I reckon she's sold the uniform and wanted the money instead.