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Endofether · 16/07/2021 08:17

Hi - me and dp(happily) don’t live together, we live in different cities, so we spend a fair bit of time apart (which we both enjoy too )

He has his dc 50/50 of the time in his own house. I have my dc 70%. He is here when he doesn’t have kids kids a bit more than I am there when I don’t have mine ..

We run into problems sorting holidays - I feel pressure to host and feel there is an expectation for the SC to come here to stay in the hols. The kids get on well but I do find it hard to have guests longer than a few days.

Am I being unfair? I do like hosting but not for too long and we have chosen not to live together so we don’t blend the families . I would just like him ) to realise it’s not exactly a summer holiday for me to be hosting . How if at all) should I broach this fairly ? Part of me feels like I am being miserable but I genuinely find it hard and really tiring.

(I used to be much more up for hosting at the start of our relationship until I realised how much work I was doing and that I actually found it quite stressful at times)
Thanks for reading !

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Endofether · 17/07/2021 08:55

Hi all! Thanks for your comments !

Yes he has hosted in the past and now have something in at his as well (this is after I got upset about the self- invitation to mine ). I do enjoy hosting and make people I love very welcome but I suppose I feel it’s become an expectation, which is why I want to address it I suppose . Also I would always limit my time at his because I know how hard it is hosting ! Plus I help loads at his anyway ..

He would contribute yes his share and sometimes more (not always more , but always his share, even sometimes a bit tardily but I think that’s again his default tbh).

We have agreed to talk about this together so some tips on how to approach it would be fab! Thanks ))

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Endofether · 17/07/2021 08:57

@Howshouldibehave yes I think it’s fair to say they have a brilliant time at mine and we have a good time at his )! When it’s just me at his he is amazing host to me . We have no probs when it’s just us at all tbh

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TheNameTheWebsiteForgot · 17/07/2021 09:28

I kick my own DP out after 3 days and he is wonderful. Its okay to put your need above everyone else's sometimes.

LatentPhase · 17/07/2021 09:49

I completely agree with @MeridianB

He’s managing to trample on your boundaries. He is emotionally manipulating you.

Red flags.

Yes yes he is lovely when it’s the two of you. Because it’s two adults minus their emotional responsibilities. Been there. Got the T-shirt.

A relationship with legs, is one where responsibility is fully shared in line with the stated boundaries of each.

ie the person with the Y chromosome doesn’t (by stealth and by smooth-talking you) shove all the responsibility for kids & emotions & Wifework, to the person without.

sassbott · 17/07/2021 10:09

@Endofether the only thing I would add is to ensure you remain entirely calm. Focus on the issue you wish to focus on (I.e not pile in a myriad of other pent up issues if there are any). Be clear, be calm and be very unemotional.

The reason I say that is you then need to watch how he reacts to your approaching this convo in such a way. Does he match your tone and engage/ work with you to get to a compromise.

Or will he be defensive/ start making very emotional / provocative comments. If he starts doing this (which can be common), call him out on what you see. Simply state, I am calm, I am talking about how I feel and trying to find a solution. It feels like you are not in the same place so if you would prefer to reset, we can pick this convo up when you’re ready.

If he doesn’t adjust, stop the conversation and quote literally walk away. Move rooms/ go for a walk/ sit in the garden.

What I have learned with men who have boundary issues with women, is that they don’t immediately like it when a woman calmly enforces her needs/ boundaries. Especially if said boundaries include the message ‘please don’t bring your kids to mine.’ Some men (depending on how dysfunctional their relationships are with other women) will drag that dysfunction into another relationship.

I’m a little less black and white than some of the other posters. No one is perfect as we get older and try to juggle lifes demands / complexities. If your partner can work with you, then that is no bad thing.

Each of us have different limits, and when to call it a day. I split from my exp last year. The split did us both the world of good. I am re engaging from a very different place, I’m much calmer, clearer and resolute. Especially regards my role regards his children and vice versa (I.e I don’t plan on ever having any form of meaningful hands on relationship with his children). Nor do I ever intend sharing my home with them.

If he cannot accept that then I am very content to go it alone without him. Like @LatentPhase, my home is my sanctuary. His dysfunction/ conflict with the mother of his children is nothing to do with me and needs to kept well away from me.

This is my life too. And it really is too short to spent meeting the demands of another man around children that are another woman’s children. Especially when that aforementioned women does not want her children around me.

My biggest fear (pre breaking up with him) was that I would look back in a decade and think I had wasted my life absorbed in conflict and dysfunction. I knew at that point I would rather be alone then have to live this way.

I wish I had had the strength to have direct conversations from a secure place much much sooner.

sassbott · 17/07/2021 10:13

@LatentPhase

Thanks, *@AnneLovesGilbert*, I appreciate that.

I believe in all this blending strife runs a common thread. Men getting women to Do the Emotional Work in relationships - That Belongs to Them.

They can get away with it quite comfortably in a nuclear family. Because women can have full relational agency with their own children, they create and relate. Nobody gets emotionally ensnared here, simply mismatched emotional work.

Enter the step family setup. The man applies the same rule: ‘hey, bingo, I’m in a relationship now, I can now sit back as I did in my nuclear family. Let the woman take on the emotional stuff. She will love and welcome-with-open-arms these kids (which I’m actually not massively engaged with, myself) and she can host, facilitate contact, run around Wifeworking the whole gig.

And should the woman point out that this man has abdicated his responsibility? Well then he can accuse the woman of ‘not liking my children’ HA! Bingo!

It’s a whole rip off for women. In my case it was by stealth, since on a practical level he was brilliant. Did loads in house/garden, plans holidays etc. I absolutely loved the other aspects of the man.

But no man is worth this. It’s common or garden disrespect for women.

I’m moving on to a more peaceful life.

This should be pinned to the top of the board. So much truth in it it’s quite scary.

Men getting women to do the emotional work in relationships.

Yup yup yup. Including their own intimate adult relationship. Because heaven forbid they try to find ways to meet their children’s emotional needs themselves. And then ensure their partners emotional needs are also getting met.

Something I did since day one in my relationship with my exp. Him? Not so much.

MarianneUnfaithful · 17/07/2021 11:13

What is it that you are wanting?

Him to stay away from your home when he has his kids (and therefore see him less in the hols )
Or
Him to have his kids less so he can spend time with you without them
Or
Him to take on a fairer share of the household work of having them in the house?

Your choice of words ‘hosting’ and ‘guests’ about his flesh and blood children is interesting.

Why does he do this? Is he looking for you to take on the bulk of ‘wifework’ because he is lazy? Is he Kenner on a move to a blended family than you?

Open discussion with him needed.

Endofether · 17/07/2021 12:29

@MarianneUnfaithful

What is it that you are wanting?

Him to stay away from your home when he has his kids (and therefore see him less in the hols )
Or
Him to have his kids less so he can spend time with you without them
Or
Him to take on a fairer share of the household work of having them in the house?

Your choice of words ‘hosting’ and ‘guests’ about his flesh and blood children is interesting.

Why does he do this? Is he looking for you to take on the bulk of ‘wifework’ because he is lazy? Is he Kenner on a move to a blended family than you?

Open discussion with him needed.

All I really want is to be able to say - would you like to bring the kids to stay, this date and duration suits me - and to say thanks , lovely . Not be pushed on my best offer (which was 3-4 days max) but it would be a really nice few days . Also it’s too long to share rooms etc for the kids and they all get grumpy!

I think what has annoyed me so much is that his dd thinks she can dictate what adults do and it bugs me !

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MarianneUnfaithful · 17/07/2021 14:17

Well, that is a clear and reasonable ‘want’ so saying “when you push to extend my suggestion, I feel under pressure.” And say exactly what you have just written. Then ask how that makes him feel, or ask what it is that he wants to get out of extending the time.

Remind him why the LAT arrangement suits you.

Starseeking · 17/07/2021 15:54

This LAT arrangement sounds perfect to me.

I split with my EXDP and am currently purchasing a lovely house for me and our DC.

Having been scarred by this experience, I have no desire to ever move my DC in with a man again, or blend them with any man's DC.

It sounds like you have the right idea OP, however your DP seems to have a hard time accepting it. I'd have a conversation away from all the DC during which you can let him know you don't appreciate him inviting himself and his DC to yours and don't expect it to happen again. Keep an open mind, and see what he says before deciding what to do next.

Fireflygal · 18/07/2021 12:07

@sassbott & @latentphase,

Both of your posts really need to be pinned to this board or relationships board. It is so common, perhaps moreso in step families because I believe the men may have failed at first relationship because of selfishness..they then take their selfishness into subsequent relationships but with the added challenge of step children.

There is a thread on relationship today where the man has just assumed that once living together the woman will take on childcare so he can do his hobbies, such is the entitlement.

If women succumb to the mental and physical load of step families they lose time with their children (time they can't get back) but also lose so much of themselves as well. Inevitable the traits that made the man fall for you will disappear and rather than be grateful they will be resentful of you.

Assertiveness and boundaries are essential if you want a balanced life.

Endofether · 18/07/2021 14:03

[quote Fireflygal]**@sassbott* & @latentphase*,

Both of your posts really need to be pinned to this board or relationships board. It is so common, perhaps moreso in step families because I believe the men may have failed at first relationship because of selfishness..they then take their selfishness into subsequent relationships but with the added challenge of step children.

There is a thread on relationship today where the man has just assumed that once living together the woman will take on childcare so he can do his hobbies, such is the entitlement.

If women succumb to the mental and physical load of step families they lose time with their children (time they can't get back) but also lose so much of themselves as well. Inevitable the traits that made the man fall for you will disappear and rather than be grateful they will be resentful of you.

Assertiveness and boundaries are essential if you want a balanced life.[/quote]
So well said ! Yes !!!

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Endofether · 21/07/2021 14:06

Hi all! Thought I would update . Had a really good calm talk with dp about this . Really productive so thanks for all the advice !

Basically he is under a lot of emotional pressure from his dd to spend time with my guys (esp my little dd) and he finds it really hard to manage as it taps into feelings of letting his kids down by the split/ guilt / splitting their family up etc

So we talked and have agreed the way forward is for he and I to discuss the best approach and for him to let us deal with it together

Thanks so much for the brilliant advice on here. Feels like a good move forward - it’s the first time he’s sort of confided that he is under some pressure about it .

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Howshouldibehave · 21/07/2021 14:25

Sounds like a productive conversation. Did you say that you don’t like ending up hosting as it’s really hard work?

Can’t you all stay at his if his kids like seeing yours? Then he can host.

Don’t let yourself be emotionally manipulated into hosting at yours as he suggested, just because he feels bad about saying no to his kids.

How much hosting does he do at yours when they’re all there?

Endofether · 21/07/2021 14:31

Thanks @Howshouldibehave

Yes we are going to each host this summer now

Felt like he really took on board what I said and at least I can refer him back to our convo the next time this situ arises (which am sure it will!!!)

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Endofether · 21/07/2021 14:33

He basically asked for my help to manage the emotional pressure from his dd ...

Any tops with this from you guys would be great! She’s sort of saying ‘this is my new family because you split the old one up so I want to see them !’

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Howshouldibehave · 21/07/2021 14:35

@Endofether

He basically asked for my help to manage the emotional pressure from his dd ...

Any tops with this from you guys would be great! She’s sort of saying ‘this is my new family because you split the old one up so I want to see them !’

He needs to reply that ‘of course we’ll be seeing them, on X and Y dates-look they are on the calendar. We will invite them to our house. What shall we cook?’

He can show her there is a plan and involve her in the hosting as she appears to be the driving force here.

Endofether · 21/07/2021 14:37

@Howshouldibehave he does help me at mine but maybe I have been too keen to look after everyone before - it’s just the way i am !

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sassbott · 21/07/2021 14:56

@Endofether I think that’s superb progress! It’s lovely that he’s been able to listen and also open up about the pressure he is under.

My tip on helping him deal with the emotional pressure is to have a convo re ‘families’.
When I was working with a counsellor who specialised in these situations (and she has years of experience), she said the biggest mistake she saw people making is trying to create one ‘new’ family. As in doing so, inevitably it would not make someone happy.

Her advice was to treat each unit as a family in itself, with its own needs.
So in your example - you and your DC are one family.
He and his DC are another family.
Then (when it works for the adults), there is a wider family that includes the all of you.

How I have explained it above is how I would explain it to my children if I was in his shoes.
That the core family unit remains him and his children - and it’s really important that they continue to have quality time together and settle into that.
Your core family unit also needs that time together.

Then, there is a wider unit - and that needs to come together, whilst respecting the needs of both families.

He needs to get over his guilt and help his child understand that her needs do not get to dictate how everyone else’s time is spent. She needs to appreciate that your children and you will want some time together.

It’s a good parenting opportunity for him, absolutely her needs need to be taken into account. But do fo everyone else’s. By talking about family units and the importance of bonding and 121 time; it also depersonalises it. I’m sure at some level he is petrified of his daughter feeling rejected. But by saying each family still has its needs and compromises are needed, it becomes less about her.

That’s how I would handle it anyhows.

excelledyourself · 21/07/2021 15:00

I still think he's expecting far too much of you.

It's not your role to manage his DD's expectations or emotions, or his. Particularly not in relation to his previous relationship.

His daughter sounds manipulative and I can see where she gets it.

Endofether · 21/07/2021 15:40

@sassbott thanks so much for your wise words . That’s a fantastic concept re the family units and will def talk with him about it. He really did hold his hands up a bit tbh..

@excelledyourself yes I agree re his dd tbh. He is from a family where this is common , esp from his mother !

He’s done a lot of work on himself tbh!

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