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DP’s Ex demanding I do childcare

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SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 11:15

DP and his ex have an EOW arrangement with SCs, and SCs come for dinner a couple of times a week too but don’t stay over.

DP’s job has always involved some night shift work and he has to do it generally in 3 month chunks twice a year, so he does nights for 6 months of the year. It has been like this for the last 20 years or so and far predates his prior relationship with his ex and obviously was the case before he met me.

When he does night shifts they are full nights from Monday - Friday, which means he sleeps until Saturday afternoon and his weekend is essentially Saturday afternoon until Monday afternoon.

DP did the first 3 month night shift stint from October and it was the first time he had worked nights since we had moved in together. I naively agreed to look after his kids on the Friday nights he was working when it was his contact weekend with SCs.

The reason being is he was told he was going on nights with very short notice and I said it wasn’t really fair to spring it on his ex when she might have made plans for those Fridays in the run up to Christmas and I know how annoying it is when my own ex chops and changes contact arrangements because of changing shift patterns.

So I covered every Friday - Saturday afternoon on our weekend with SCs to be helpful and make everyone’s lives easier... except of course my own.

DP is going back on nights in March and I’ve told him I’m not willing to do it this time. His ex is incredibly hostile towards me and the facts are that no one benefits from me babysitting the kids except her.

DP doesn’t benefit from it.
My SCs don’t benefit from it as their dad isn’t here
I don’t benefit from it and actually find it a bit much.
My kids don’t benefit from it.

The only person who benefits from it is his ex so I’m unwilling to give up my free time so she can have free time.

I work full time in a very pressured job and have been homeschooling 2 primary aged children through lockdown. DP’s ex doesn’t work and the kids are in secondary school so I definitely have it harder in that sense.

DP spoke to his ex and said about the nightshifts starting again and said he would be able to have SCs from when he wakes up on the Saturday, keep them the remainder of the weekend, take them to school on the Monday and also pick them up from school and have dinner with them before dropping them home on his way to work around 6pm on the Monday evening.
That way he still has them 2 nights, they’re spending time with their dad which is what the contact is actually for and I also get every Friday to spend alone with my own children and relax after a long working week.

Before we lived together this was the arrangement when he worked nights.

His ex has hit the roof saying “Why can’t spongebob have them like before?”. DP said because she’s working all week and I’m not here to spend time with them.

I’ve since had awful messages from her (she’s blocked now) calling me selfish, saying she needs a break etc. I responded only to say that I also need a break, I am not their parent and it’s up to DP and her to sort it out between themselves. I’m not a free on demand babysitter and I’m unwilling to do favours for someone who is rude, abuse and outwardly hostile towards me. She will literally ignore me if I say hello to her.

Well she’s like a dog with a bone. Now the kids are saying “mum says you’re being out of order. It’s not fair on her”.

Am I being unreasonable here? The suggested arrangement whilst DP works nights has stood in place for the last 10 years since they split apart from the most recent stint where I covered it.

The kids will be back at school when the nightshifts start which means ex will have a minimum of 30 hours a week of free time. I’ll be working full time, juggling childcare pick ups etc for my own 2 children.

I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to say I’m not giving up my free time to give her more free time.

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 28/02/2021 16:56

@Tiredoftattler

Why can't the 12_year old and the 16 year old take care of themselves until their father returns home from work on Friday night? If the house is represented as their home as well and the father has an ownership stake in the property, what is the problem? Many 16 year olds are babysitters.

I do not think that the OP should be the defects babysitter, but I do ever think that a parent is doing a favor when his or her children are present in his or her home. Parents are parents 24/7 and the home that you provide is either their home or it is not.

You cannot be a partial parent in the same way that you cannot be a little bit pregnant. The time constraints are artificial distinctions imposed by a CO not by the natural and moral obligations that come with having created a life.

There should be no obligations imposed on SOs and SOs in turn should leave the planning and management to the actual parents.

I would never tell my spouse when his children could or couldn't be in the home that we share. I would have no problem saying when I would or wouldn't be available to assist. If he felt that supervision was required at that time, it would be up to him to make alternative arrangements.

The father wants to see his children, which he can't if the system stays the same when he's on nights.
SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 16:57

I’d also like to point out that I do not and have never expected my DP to babysit my kids and they live here full time.
It’s not as if I’m expecting him to do things for my children that I will not reciprocate for his.
I have enough to juggle between full time work, childcare for my own children etc.

OP posts:
SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 16:58

@Nanny0gg of course!!! That’s the main thing...
Except his ex expects me to cover the Fridays and DP still then do the Sat-Mon arrangement. That’s what I’m finding so unreasonable

OP posts:
JustLyra · 28/02/2021 16:58

I take it you are not in the UK if the ex has been having all that millions of time off while her kids at school since they've hardly been in recently.

Also whilst you don't need to facilitate childcare your OH does owe his ex a bit of gratitude over her flexibility with his shifts. It would have cost him a fair chunk of cash in childcare over the years if she hadn't.

Youllbeoldertoo · 28/02/2021 17:01

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SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 17:02

@JustLyra no we’re in the U.K.
I did state in school time and have talked about homeschooling several times throughout the thread.
I also pointed out that she doesn’t work and doesn’t have to homeschooling the kids because they’re in secondary school.
Whilst I am working full time and homeschooling to DCs of primary school age.

OP posts:
m0therofdragons · 28/02/2021 17:04

It’s your partners responsibility to organise childcare when the dc are due to be with him yet you seem to think this is up to his ex to arrange her life around her ex’s job. If I was her I would have had enough too. I wouldn’t say you should step in but it’s their father’s responsibility.

crimsonlake · 28/02/2021 17:05

She has it lucky truth be told. When my ex went he used to have the dc's every couple of weeks for a few hours on a Saturday afternoon. I never really had 'me time' until they went to uni, luckily I was quite happy with this and the fact that they prefered to be home with me anyway.

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 17:07

@Youllbeoldertoo that’s not true at all, I care for them deeply and try my best for the at every turn.
I am concerned about their mum’s work ethic (or lack thereof) extending to the 16 year old. I’m honest about that, I want better for her.

OP posts:
TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 17:09

@m0therofdragons

It’s your partners responsibility to organise childcare when the dc are due to be with him yet you seem to think this is up to his ex to arrange her life around her ex’s job. If I was her I would have had enough too. I wouldn’t say you should step in but it’s their father’s responsibility.
This has been their agreement for 11 years. What aren't people getting here?
Youllbeoldertoo · 28/02/2021 17:11

@SpongebobNoPants
I think you tell yourself you do care but calling them liars, looks like a hooker, manipulative, won’t be alone with them, and many more insults. You don’t like them. I bet you would never say your child looked like a hooker.

I’m not saying I blame you your dsc don’t sound very nice at all.

PanamaPattie · 28/02/2021 17:11

When the SC are having a go at you, does the penny not drop that their mother doesn't want them?

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 17:13

Why do these threads always end up with the token "be honest SM - you hate those kids don't you"?

Who cares if she loves them with all her heart or can't stand the sight of them?? It doesn't change the fundamental fact that she is not their responsibility to care for!! So it has nothing to do with the thread.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 17:13

I mean - it doesn't change the fact that they are not her responsibility to care for!!

Sleep deprived brain 😂

PurpleBiro21 · 28/02/2021 17:16

@PanamaPattie

When the SC are having a go at you, does the penny not drop that their mother doesn't want them?
I suspect that the kids are projecting at SM as they know mum isn’t the greatest.

Mum has roped them into an adult issue to hold her corner. That’s a lot of emotional and mental pressure to put on a child so quite frankly I wouldn’t hold their views against them.

I just wouldn’t entertain it - I’m not discussing this, go speak to your dad.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 17:17

And are mothers always completely positive about their own children? Let's think for a moment how many mothers might come out with "fgs, he/she is being a bloody nightmare today"... "the kids are doing my head in".... "his / her attitude is dreadful at the moment"... etc. I've said all these things about my own DD at different points over the years in rants to other people! ^
^
But the second you dare to insinuate the SKs are getting in your nerves - "be honest, you just don't like them do you?"

Ffs 🙄

m0therofdragons · 28/02/2021 17:21

This has been their agreement for 11 years. What aren't people getting here?

Yes, 11 years of controlling shite and she’s finally stood up to her ex and said this doesn’t work for her anymore. What if the ex wife were to get a job that’s shift work and suddenly decided op’s partner had to change his days as and when to suit her? No one would think that is okay. After 11 years it’s totally fair to review childcare arrangements!

JustLyra · 28/02/2021 17:22

[quote SpongebobNoPants]@JustLyra no we’re in the U.K.
I did state in school time and have talked about homeschooling several times throughout the thread.
I also pointed out that she doesn’t work and doesn’t have to homeschooling the kids because they’re in secondary school.
Whilst I am working full time and homeschooling to DCs of primary school age.[/quote]
She has a 12yo and 16yo who take full responsibility for their own homeschooling? What's her secret, many of us would love to know?

My point about your DH still stands. He does owe her a gratitude for being flexible over the years. You don't owe her childcare, but she would be well within her rights to tell him to sort a babysitter.

This has been their agreement for 11 years. What aren't people getting here?

@TrustTheGeneGenie Arrangements change, as was shown by the OP and her DH changing them last time.

Youllbeoldertoo · 28/02/2021 17:22

@LouJ85

She said her 11 year old step child looked like a hooker. That’s a bit more than the kids are getting on my nerves!

m0therofdragons · 28/02/2021 17:23

It’s not the op’s responsibility but it is her partner’s.

thedownpipe · 28/02/2021 17:23

@SpongebobNoPants She sounds a lot like the ex of a relative of mine, in fact the whole situation sound very similar! I do feel for you because my relative’s ex is also an awful person who gets the kids to gang up on him and his DP. I don’t have any wise words but sympathy because I’ve seen how her behaviour has affected the kids over the years.

poppycat10 · 28/02/2021 17:25

@MadameMinimes

I don’t blame you for saying no but ultimately it’s his responsibility to find childcare for the times when he is responsible for the children, not his ex’s. On his days he needs to pay for or arrange childcare. I’m not surprised his ex is pissed off that he thinks that his lack of childcare on the days he is meant to have the children is her problem to solve. That definitely doesn’t make it your problem either though!
His ex is still the child's mother, and ultimately, if he can't have them because he is working, she has to. I can never understand this "it's not my weekend" mentality divorced couples get themselves into. They are your children and if you were still together you'd have to get on with it. But it seems to be "oh no now I get to gallivant and how dare you spoil my plans" (maybe not so much currently, but normally).

Not the OP's problem. It's for the OP's partner and his ex to sort out in the best interest of the kids.

TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 17:26

TrustTheGeneGenie Arrangements change, as was shown by the OP and her DH changing them last time

Er yeah... To help her..... And this is how you suggest she repays them? Wow. Just wow.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 17:26

[quote Youllbeoldertoo]@LouJ85

She said her 11 year old step child looked like a hooker. That’s a bit more than the kids are getting on my nerves![/quote]

I've said to my teen DD before "you're not wearing that to go out - it looks ridiculous / inappropriate" etc. Just because I wouldn't use the particular term "hooker", the sentiment is the same. And I'm sure she didn't say this directly to the girl! She's allowed to have an opinion about parenting practices she disagrees with and express them. It doesn't mean she "hates" her SKs. Maybe she just wants better for them, as she's already said. 🤷‍♀️

TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 17:27

@m0therofdragons

This has been their agreement for 11 years. What aren't people getting here?

Yes, 11 years of controlling shite and she’s finally stood up to her ex and said this doesn’t work for her anymore. What if the ex wife were to get a job that’s shift work and suddenly decided op’s partner had to change his days as and when to suit her? No one would think that is okay. After 11 years it’s totally fair to review childcare arrangements!

Lol how is it controlling??

If she decided to get a job after so long (unlikely) then yes a discussion should be had but she hasn't... She just can't be fucked with her own children can she? He isn't having them for less time.

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